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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
- Start date
God my service up here in Muncie is so fucking bad.
I think the safe assumption knowing now that Sorian was a leading force of the cult, that Saw was a convert, and that it took us so long to find one is that they probably consistently picked players they felt were unlikely to be lynched or NKed. Players that weren't confirmed town, but that most were leaning town on. CeeCee, Flux, kyan, and you would be the ones that jump out as possible people for that group. I still think kyan is a good spot to likely hit cult. Flux I think is less likely just because of the possibility of missing due to the commute. I wonder if failed attempts are refunded? Don't recall if his role said.
Suffice it to say I'm never believing anything Sorian ever claims again. Those boats were just so meme-y. I demand to know if Bear rerolled the assignments at all.
I think the safe assumption knowing now that Sorian was a leading force of the cult, that Saw was a convert, and that it took us so long to find one is that they probably consistently picked players they felt were unlikely to be lynched or NKed. Players that weren't confirmed town, but that most were leaning town on. CeeCee, Flux, kyan, and you would be the ones that jump out as possible people for that group. I still think kyan is a good spot to likely hit cult. Flux I think is less likely just because of the possibility of missing due to the commute. I wonder if failed attempts are refunded? Don't recall if his role said.
Everything about how he's pushing for scenarios that lead to a cult win feels like cult but it's so overt that I honestly can't even tell.
I hear Muncie has okay food at least. If I have only been ther for one day conference wtf are you doing
Best case how many cult are there
Best case how many cult are there
My family lives up here. As much as I complain about Indy I'm at least glad I escaped this hell hole.
BEST case would be 1, most likely case I would say is 3.
Impossible. The host would not have a Cult that can erase vital PRs. I refuse to believe this.
Just for you Blarg
I just don't understand why Grizzly wouldn't specify in the role PM if it was vanilla only. It seems like an unneeded exclusion at that point. Saw's original role was posted and explicitly crossed out. Just seems too weird to me.
I still think so. If there wasn't a commute then he'd be an original cultist, but his denial and certainty was so strong at first that turmoil was lying. I just don't see the point in doing that when instead he could go "yes, I'm a role but I am not claiming" and argue about how turmoil's info verifies nothing about his alignment.
2 Town 1-shot Overriders (Stan & CeeCee) vs. 1 Mafia Bomb (Faddy)
Mafia has a Backup with a [REDACTED] stipulation
Town has a Backup whose original Role PM does not reveal upon flip verifying that they are/were indeed a Backup
Mafia has a Backup with a [REDACTED] stipulation
Town has a Backup whose original Role PM does not reveal upon flip verifying that they are/were indeed a Backup
No fuck what Fran typed
He lied to make his claim more palatable after Stan the first Town 1-shot Overrider died
Fran lied
He lied to make his claim more palatable after Stan the first Town 1-shot Overrider died
Fran lied
Maybe the strength of their Recruit shot varies depending on the map modifier they earned it from?
Maybe they got a 1-shot from Cthulhu or somewhere that can erase and convert a PR?
He was checked N3 right? Wasn't that after the day that Fanto claimed? If I have an x-shot commute I never use it that day lol
ok but then why use your x-shot n1 when you were trying to stand out
you buy the argument that flux just didn't know what was going on?
Seems a little convoluted, I'd sooner say they could convert PRs but that 50% or less of modifiers would grant a recruit shot. Interestingly I mentioned that cults are usually capped on a max cultist count and this modifier granting shots shit does exactly that. We just don't know WHAT the max is.
No, I'll agree that it doesn't make any sense to use a shot N1 in pretty much any circumstance short of you claimed and cast the deciding vote to lynch scum D1 or something lol But to that point I'm not saying it can't be Flux, the argument could be made that Flux instantly knee jerk denies it only to realize there's some chance that turmoil is town and doesn't want to risk being caught out at that point and has to retroactively come up with a claim that can match his initial reaction. This explains the delay in his claim and being cult explains how he could be unsure of turmoil's alignment and need to lie about his role.
I think a threat constitutes lethality
That doesn't sound like what Fireblend's claimed unless you're counting lethality to himself (see: pineapple pizza)
But for real pineapple pizza is the default pizza I usually order
I have no regrets being scum in that game
My phone is on 2% though and it's almost 3:00 AM so I'm going to bow out until tomorrow. Busy with fam again but that evening after I do some work stuff I'll get my rereads in and finish formulating my thoughts. Sounds like we plan to have one more flip by then anyways so that'll give me more to look into as well.
Jesus Christ you were in PPM? I have blocked most of that game out of my head apparently.
Also you're wrong and you should feel bad and this was all already decided and that verdict is final until a sequel game runs. GOOD NIGHT SIR.
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==== DAY 8 VOTES ====
Day Start
ceecee (1 votes)
blargonaut - #7,366 #7,455
blargonaut - #7,476
fireblend (1 votes)
fluxwavez - #7,448
blargonaut - #7,455 #7,476
fluxwavez (1 votes)
rac - #7,568
dr. monkey (0 votes)
rac - #7,417 #7,417
lone_prodigy (0 votes)
rac - #7,417 #7,568
Post Counts:
rac: 56 dr. monkey: 55 blargonaut: 52 fantomas: 44 natiko: 29 fireblend: 22 fluxwavez: 15 lone_prodigy: 5 grizzly: 3 ceecee: 2
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Day Start
ceecee (1 votes)
blargonaut - #7,476
fireblend (1 votes)
fluxwavez - #7,448
fluxwavez (1 votes)
rac - #7,568
dr. monkey (0 votes)
lone_prodigy (0 votes)
Post Counts:
rac: 56 dr. monkey: 55 blargonaut: 52 fantomas: 44 natiko: 29 fireblend: 22 fluxwavez: 15 lone_prodigy: 5 grizzly: 3 ceecee: 2
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Hello, good morning!
I'll continue going through D7 now and bringing up any more thoughts I find, I had a couple more notes last night but then I got distracted from my reread once I brought Blarg's CeeCee theory to the table today because that just really tickled my mind when I started thinking about that stuff.
Catching up on the overnight discussions quick first though:
Dr. Drunkey, lol.
I still don't buy that the Cult could recruit PRs. If people want to kill CeeCee because they think he is a Cultist, I feel like that is lame, because there is a perfectly-somewhat-reasonable-kind-of-sensible theory about how CeeCee could be Scum that makes a lot more sense balance-wise to me than a PR being recruited by the Cult. If anyone really wants to kill CeeCee, it should be because they believe he is Scum at this point, not Cult.
For Flux though, he could still be an Original Cultist. I still think something doesn't add up with his claim, particularly the contradiction I pointed out yesterday and which Rac brought up again today which is that he claims to have commuted on N1 for reasons that don't fully add up to me. We also have no proof that he can't be targeted at night, the only trustworthy person to try was AB and he was able to target him just fine.
I'll continue going through D7 now and bringing up any more thoughts I find, I had a couple more notes last night but then I got distracted from my reread once I brought Blarg's CeeCee theory to the table today because that just really tickled my mind when I started thinking about that stuff.
Catching up on the overnight discussions quick first though:
Dr. Drunkey, lol.
I still don't buy that the Cult could recruit PRs. If people want to kill CeeCee because they think he is a Cultist, I feel like that is lame, because there is a perfectly-somewhat-reasonable-kind-of-sensible theory about how CeeCee could be Scum that makes a lot more sense balance-wise to me than a PR being recruited by the Cult. If anyone really wants to kill CeeCee, it should be because they believe he is Scum at this point, not Cult.
For Flux though, he could still be an Original Cultist. I still think something doesn't add up with his claim, particularly the contradiction I pointed out yesterday and which Rac brought up again today which is that he claims to have commuted on N1 for reasons that don't fully add up to me. We also have no proof that he can't be targeted at night, the only trustworthy person to try was AB and he was able to target him just fine.
Those monkey posts are amazing. Everything we've been through was worth it for those alone lol
I'm sorry my memory is so bad, what were the circumstances of flux's claim again? Do we know that's what he is for sure? What would the point of a cultists commuter be?
Sawneeks' PM was completely crossed out so presumably if PRs could be converted they'd also lose their powers, no? The flavor for the cult is they want "balanced games" so maybe they're vanillizers?
I'm sorry my memory is so bad, what were the circumstances of flux's claim again? Do we know that's what he is for sure? What would the point of a cultists commuter be?
Sawneeks' PM was completely crossed out so presumably if PRs could be converted they'd also lose their powers, no? The flavor for the cult is they want "balanced games" so maybe they're vanillizers?
Back from rereading D7 now. Not as many notes as I thought I would have, but some thoughts about Sorian the Cultist at least.
There were quite a number of people who at least expressed concern about Sorian in one way or another during the day yesterday. 8 out of the 10 remaining players to be exact, with FB and LP being the only ones to not mention him that way from what I saw.
Of the others:
Of those who did:
FB, I get the feeling he was possibly Sorian's scapegoat target by trying to tie himself as a Neutral to Fireblend's Pizza stuff as well to get us all drawing those connections after we finally saw Sorian's flip.
Other targets, Flux is still hanging out on his Island of Uncertainty, CeeCee is in a strange place in my mind now that I made sense of Blarg's theory which also puts Blarg in a strange place now too. Rac makes me paranoid, as do Monkey and Natiko. Wouldn't want to go for any of them first today at least though as of now.
There were quite a number of people who at least expressed concern about Sorian in one way or another during the day yesterday. 8 out of the 10 remaining players to be exact, with FB and LP being the only ones to not mention him that way from what I saw.
Of the others:
- Myself and Monkey placed votes on him early, and Monkey was still saying at EoD she thought he could be a Cultist.
- Flux said early in the day he would be fine with lynching Sorian if others voted there.
- Natiko also expressed concern about Sorian's role being a lie.
- Rac said that he wanted to kill Sorian "two days ago".
- CeeCee at one point said "Let's kill Sorian" but it was kind of a jokey post.
- Kyanrute mentioned Sorian's name a couple of times when going over Saw's D6 reads, but never really said anything either way about wanting to kill him, just putting his name alongside other candidates yesterday like Zeke, Rac, and Kyan himself.
- Blarg came to the conclusion at EoD, after thinking for most of the day that Sorian was Mafia, that no, Sorian was actually the Cult Leader.
Of those who did:
- I buy Monkey's concern because it was the same as mine at the start of the day, which was that one of these Neutrals was probably full of shit, and who better to be full of shit than Sorian.
- Flux, not sure, he seemed to maybe be reading the room temp about what people were saying about Sorian at the time, I don't think it tells me anything for sure.
- Natiko seemed to have some healthy suspicion about Sorian throughout the whole day. He even jokingly asked LP to shoot Sorian "for the lols" if we missed Cult on D7 with the lynch. Huh... Thanks for that one, LP!
- Rac, I think I need you to give me some quotes where you really said you wanted to kill Sorian two days ago. I can fact check it myself, but I kind of want to see it from you.
- CeeCee might have just been joking. But if Cee is Scum, well, makes sense.
- Kyan's mentions of Sorian feel like the odd man out kind of to me. He simply presents Sorian's name as someone who Saw also gave some defensive posts to during D6, but he never really floated out the idea of Sorian as Cult Leader or being a good lynch target for the day from what I saw, just brought up his name there a couple times.
- Blarg... I mean, he was right that Sorian's claim was full of shit. And he did break down at least a couple times exactly why Sorian was full of shit with that claim.
FB, I get the feeling he was possibly Sorian's scapegoat target by trying to tie himself as a Neutral to Fireblend's Pizza stuff as well to get us all drawing those connections after we finally saw Sorian's flip.
Other targets, Flux is still hanging out on his Island of Uncertainty, CeeCee is in a strange place in my mind now that I made sense of Blarg's theory which also puts Blarg in a strange place now too. Rac makes me paranoid, as do Monkey and Natiko. Wouldn't want to go for any of them first today at least though as of now.
Check out the end of D2 again for the Commuter claim. Keep in mind the context of course of it being at the end of the 30 post limit day when people were running out of posts, Fran had said he wasn't overriding, and votes were locked in.
What do you think about my thoughts earlier on how this would work with me and Cabot as Masons while we were both still alive? Cabot gets removed from our Mason chat, never to talk to me again, but he's still in the game, and I'm supposed to think this is normal and not completely fucked up and wouldn't be the most obvious shit in the world?
go back and read the day bae died
i actually at one point wanted to kill sorian before bae
it's too bad that a reading error took away all my momentum
That's a good point. Still odd that Sorian's PM doesn't mention a vanilla-only restriction, but I guess it could be information provided by Bear on the very first post in their secret chat or something.
I'll check the end of D2.
Sorryan? Cool. Blarg is scum then, or did someone else entertain suspecting him yesterday? Monkey is cult because of the eternal "me thinks sorian is bad but not today." Fireblend could be cult if not for that Sawneeks shot, what makes Fire the most trustworthy player in the game, funnily enough.
No hammer so I guess we aren't screwed and shots have been missed or the modifiers haven't been to cults favor.
No hammer so I guess we aren't screwed and shots have been missed or the modifiers haven't been to cults favor.
Where does the expectation that a recruited mason would be removed from the mason chat come from?
Fantomas
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mafiera-mafia-ot-the-day-of-the-booze.91092/page-107#post-17031209
the most obvious one
i really don't see how prs couldn't be recruited btw
so you are telling me that cult had a limited amount of shots that they have to do work to get and then their shots also get returned if they hit a pr
that's a lot of shit to go through to get a member
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mafiera-mafia-ot-the-day-of-the-booze.91092/page-107#post-17031209
the most obvious one
i really don't see how prs couldn't be recruited btw
so you are telling me that cult had a limited amount of shots that they have to do work to get and then their shots also get returned if they hit a pr
that's a lot of shit to go through to get a member
We were hypothesizing different ways in which PRs could be recruited to the Cult.
One theory is that the recruited player loses their role, hence why Saw's was crossed out in her flip. This would mean that a Mason would lose their Power Role, which is a secret chat with their Mason buddy who they know is Town.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mafiera-mafia-ot-the-day-of-the-booze.91092/page-107#post-17031699
i mean of course by this point i was too far gone in the malus tunnel
i mean of course by this point i was too far gone in the malus tunnel
And that's why they started with at least 2 or maybe even 3 members at the start I would say.
Thanks, and yeah I had wanted to kill Sorian going into that day as well.
Sorian's Role PM specifically makes note that he started with at least one partner, so it's not an assumption.
Yeah I'd call it that too. Is it good balancing though to make town really strong and put in a cult to counter the strong town? I don't feel it is but I have no experience with this complex balance calls.
I think this interaction disproves the vanillazing idea. It'd just be dumb.