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Can we vote the void left by ShadowSwordmaster?
We can trust in the void.
I quite like Fanto. He's the Bill to my Ted.
Admittedly he tends to agree with a lot of my thoughts. It's probably an ego thing.
don't kill fanto please.
that's directed at people who can take day shots.
This is the first post that caught my eye, it reads like turmoil is hoping to drum up some more support for Fireblend votes.Fandorin voted early for Fireblend(I ackonoledge it was most likely a joke vote) but later didn't list him on among the people he would elect. What's your take on Fireblend right now?
I am leaning town on Fireblend myself and may consider voting for him.
More support for Fireblend, but at the same time trying to dissuade Fandorin votes. At this time Fan's vote is still on Fireblend.Well, it's hard to describe but his post just feel right to me and he said he could support fandorin, who I like too but don't want to create a runaway fandorin effect
And ultimately turmoil gives up on trying to push for Fireblend and stashes his vote on Fandorin after concluding that he had already lost support. Fan had also moved his vote off of Fire at this point (Enough has already been said on turmoil's lies about how "out of control" the Fan votes were).I'm doubting between putting Fireblend on the race or giving my vote to Fandorin now that his momentum seems to have cooled down.
hmph
VOTE:Fandorin
Although I feel unwary of him receiving support from so many players, I don't keep a list but IIRC many said they were okay with him, fireblend and cabot come to mind, monkey's vote too before she switched to Stan, there were more.
I like Stan, I could see me voting for him, I don't think I will vote for Cabot
Then we see another swap to Pirate Bae voting wise. He ultimately moves the vote to Stan with no real explanation - of course I believe that final vote swap was to try and avoid Brazil who was considering turmoil as a target. The main conclusion from this series of posts is the odd support for Fireblend so early, trying to drum up votes without being overt enough to cast his own vote there. Then once that option drys up his vote suddenly becomes a lot more free flowing.Fantomas I've got the feeling of it being a little unfair comparison to put my middle of d1 me on this game against the n1 me of Brexit. For those who didn't play/spec Brexit, we got scum on D1 there and I was one of the breaking votes for getting the scum player lynched. Your easy town read was pure luck, I could have chosen to lynch coolest over ET and would had been your top scum on n1.
This said, I thought you were saying this from a place of dishonesty, but then realized maybe it's me being self conscious
Remind me again why are you supporting Bae? The most I remember of you saying about her is that both are friends and LiS fans
You know what, let's see where that goes
VOTE:Pirate Bae
As for reads I'm leaning town on malus and ketkat because it feels like they are easy targets, scum on rac and zubz.
He groups both Ketkat and malus together - as if he wants them to fill a similar void to Ketkat. We know now that Ketkat is town from Bae, but at the time Ketkat was more widely scum read than Malus. It's a bit of an odd connection to draw. We also have a stronger push for rac with zubz just tossed in with lighter reasoning. More on that in a moment.Brazil Fran Fantomas cabot
On my malus and ket town reads, I feel they rng and majorities strategies weren't a motive to push them so much, they are not invalid and the way of winning isn't written on stone. Rac hasn't posted a lot, most of his posts are jokes, even his vote on geno reads as a joke, doesn't inspire confidence to me, on their part zubz doesn't seems to have strong commitments, that's why I keep an eye on them.
As an aside - I wanted to point out Malus as the one other possible player that was trying to distance themselves from a Ketkat lynch. Four players did this, but Bae had reasoning and Flux is essentially cleared as town since scum v scum makes no sense with their argument at the end of D2. Turmoil did this and was scum, it's not a great point in malus's favor.I'm not sure that's how this works. If I'm scum I first look who has suspicions on whom and try to fester the suspicions that are helpful for me. So I wouldn't want to be the first to scum read someone but rather kind of agree with someone else after they have made a scum read. Also an easy target to me is someone that is already heavily scum read, because you can just agree with everyone instead of having to come up with reasons for yourself.
Town
Fantomas: I like his effort so far and he has made some good points. Sometimes his reads seem a bit superficial, but we really don't have much information to work with, so I don't blame him for that.
Blarg: Sometimes I can see a bit of consciousness shine through the madness and it gives me hope. Seriously though he has made some good posts without provocation, while in GoT (where he was scum) he only backed down from his antics when he was an actual contender to be lynched for it.
Chuggs: I'm kind of meh on the role claim, but otherwise has made a solid impression so far.
CeeCee: With the new revelations on his role he could honestly fall on both sides for me. For now I'm more leaning town because I can't come up with a reason why scum would do that, but then that might also have been the plan all along.
KetKat: I'm always a bit suspicious if many people seem to scum read the same player, because if no one opposes the scum read it means scum is okay with it. On the other hand I guess scum wouldn't want to seem to be defending one of their own too vehemently.
Rac: Seems to be constantly catching up, so not much contribution today, but what he posted made me feel more like town than scum.
Turmoil: He hasn't contributed much today and what he said didn't give me much confidence.
Pirate Bae: This is mostly gut feeling. I feel like she's throwing some half baked shade around to see what sticks.
Scum
I feel like on day 1 with very little information, so this list is mostly based on just gut reading.
Do you think we should get rid of CeeCee?
Fourth note - he was clearly on board with keeping CeeCee alive. Which I wouldn't strictly find interesting since scum might be apprehensive to push strongly against a role they know is town, but -Im' on the keep ceecee alive camp
A game so big made me think naturally would be lots of kills on it. Some people said scum dayvigs happened before in the community, but although I haven't played on one of his games before bear has a fame for balanced games, and scum dayvig isn't a role I think a balanced game would have, feels bastardish
Also he will be leashed and if he is alive and telling the truth we will be able to do double day strategy as malus said
I do find it interesting how strong he pushes against Geno for wanting to kill CeeCee. We know Geno was killed N1, so this does stick out to me as a point of note. I don't think it's the strongest connection but it's something to keep in mind.I see no reason to kill ceecee, I think he is likely town, the biggest pushes for killing him were from Geno and Fran, although I have more experience with Geno than Fran, I could see both town them doubling down on it for some reason. OTOH I have problems with Geno's reason, he goes "you never let them go(possible neutrals/scum)"(I don't recall the exact wording) when arguing with Sorian. That motive doesn't sit well with me, looks like pushing a revealed truth down our throats. Kind of forced. Makes me think Ceecee is town, he is scum and wants to kill a power who could swing the game towards town. Also, if he is so keen on best plays, why didn't he vote for Brazil or Stan? Town abdicating from voting gives more power to scum in taking the decision.
Back to point three - I think this is really interesting because earlier we had the Zubz read playing second fiddle to rac, but now we have rac slipping behind zubz and Geno jumping all the way up to the front with no reasoning around Zubz still.Currently I am going for
1. Geno 2. Zubz 3. rac
Rac continues playing very jokingly, I think scum wouldn't try to get attention to themselves when they could be shot, but then again, some joke post in this huge thread can be forgotten fast if people are engaged on other discussions.
I'm quoting this because here we do have an example of now distancing himself from Fireblend after the push D1 for leader that didn't go anywhere. Bit of a good point towards Fireblend now, but it's not impossible he wanted to try and correct for the push D1.Can we agree to not place votes at least for the first 24hs(if possible, if real life calls then no problem)
On post #2054 fireblends kill list was Terra, Flux(PR hinted), me/turmoil, zubz
If flux is town I say we have to look at this
I don't want to lynch flux at least for this day phase, we can work with his hint claim in the future, if he is scum he can't claim vanilla anymore so with more info on the setup we could work his alignment.
I'm still processing Fran's claim, so you are the Overrider now?
2/30
This is the biggest thing that throws me off about my read on zubz and his connection to turmoil. It would have made more sense for turmoil to vote rac here or some such since we know that he was hoping to use Flux as cover for his claim. I really don't know what to make of this with that light. Need to think on it more.
This is probably the biggest point in Flux's favor as well. Once Flux didn't back up turmoil's claim he was glad to turn on him. If it was scum v scum then Flux would have just gone with turmoil on the claim.
This feels rigged
hahahahahahahahahahaha
Oh. Hello Mr. mason.Ok, I was going to post a read list but instead it's claim time!!! HI IM MISTER CONFIRMED TOWN, CABOT'S MASON PARTNER!!!
Here's his bread crumbs:
VERELIOS!!!!!cabot's mason needs to claim immediately and also claim who your role name is, I know exactly who it should be and I'll call you on your shit for lying.
Pouring one out for cabot, the best friendo. :<
This feels rigged
hahahahahahahahahahaha
Oh. Hello Mr. mason.
lol
okay, that's kinda perfect, tbh
Just because he commutes doesn't necessarily mean Turmoil can't get a check on him depending on how Bear chooses to do things.
Well, once again I'm bad at this game.Ok, I was going to post a read list but instead it's claim time!!! HI IM MISTER CONFIRMED TOWN, CABOT'S MASON PARTNER!!!
Here's his bread crumbs:
So I'm taking it you're a name cop or something?cabot's mason needs to claim immediately and also claim who your role name is, I know exactly who it should be and I'll call you on your shit for lying.
Ya know I really regret my anger vote for you. That was a pretty brilliant plan, that felt scummy right up until it worked as beautifully as it did. Question for you though: Are you still feeling bad about TheChuggernaut?
Cabot pointed this out in Mason chat too, he was Scum reading that post hard.That's not how it works. A commuter is untargetable so if he is cummuting he doesn't give results.
And on the other side we have things like Rac breaking the rules voting
Yesterday was a lot of fun, right?
Everyone who voted Turmoil is giving me town vibes.
And on the other side we have things like Rac breaking the rules voting, Brazil pleading people to vote for Flux even when he had a scum read on Turmoil and Faddy with this bullshit:
That's not how it works. A commuter is untargetable so if he is cummuting he doesn't give results.
I want to lynch one of those 3 today.
Sad that we lost Cabot and at least the first post that Fantomas posted seems like a breadcrumb so now I'm leaning town there.
That's a way to put it. But with you having come through in the end, and turmoil's flip, you're certainly town.
"Obvious from the way he was talking"? Even if I was vanilla, how would he possibly have known? I couldn't be targeted on N1. But that doesn't mean I have a power role. There's no reason to give any benefit of the doubt to turmoil after we've seen his flip.Not all roles need to actually target players though, different mechanisms can exist. Not that it matters since Turmoil was lying but it seemed pretty obvious from the way he was talking that Flux was not vanilla and Turmoil was right.
Turmoil must have yolo'd that read since presumably a role cop wouldn't have worked either. It was a pretty ballsy mood that could have got himself trapped if Flux was vanilla.
It doesn't matter. You were desperate to tie the vote. That's the scummy thing.
@CeeCee, I want your role name. I don't care about any of that "hunter" stuff turmoil was talking about (I have doubts something like that's even in this game). But now that scum has been flipped, we know that they're all Blargonauts. So I want to hear who you are specifically.
Not all roles need to actually target players though, different mechanisms can exist. Not that it matters since Turmoil was lying but it seemed pretty obvious from the way he was talking that Flux was not vanilla and Turmoil was right.
Turmoil must have yolo'd that read since presumably a role cop wouldn't have worked either. It was a pretty ballsy mood that could have got himself trapped if Flux was vanilla.
It doesn't matter. You were desperate to tie the vote. That's the scummy thing.
I know. Doesn't matter, I want to hear it.Scum should have fake names. That's standard for cosplay games. I don't think there is much to gain there.
Turmoil7:
I'd sum up turmoil's play so far as 'inoffensive'. He's just kind of here, not a lot of strong stances, not a lot of new ideas. His biggest 'wave' would be his opening post this Day Phase.
What is interesting is his early Day 1 play is, again, inoffensive. He does give reads but they just sort of flow out from him. #337 he doesn't like the 'I don't want to be elected' people but finds it hard to make that alignment indicative. However, would kill Flux over Fran because of this. Also says rac is flying low.
#292 likes Sorian/Natiko for having a similar Godking election idea. Would not vote for blarg because of blargspeak. #381 notes how Brazil votes for Fandorin and while he, turmoil, likes Fandorin it makes him wary. Notes how Brazil made a Flux vs Terra post but doesn't actually comment on the contents of it. Wouldn't vote Power Rangers ( :( )
#636 Leaning town on Febe. Asks Fando what his take is on him. #639 clarifies to cabot that he likes Febe because his posts 'feel right' and because Febe supports Fandorin who he also likes. Notes that he didn't vote Fandorin because he didn't want to create a 'runaway Fandorin effect'?
#1012 Likes Stan, wouldn't vote for cabot. Votes for Fandorin here because his momentum seemed to have slowed down. Seems very concerned about appearing to push Fandorin along. Mentions in #1059 that he was wary of Fandorin because he had a lot of support from players 'like cabot' but it just deflated. Doesn't know what to make of it. Yet he supports Fandorin with a vote?
#1151 Notes he is selfconscious this game. Jumps to Pirate Bae for some reason. Town leans on Malus and Ketkat because they are easy targets, scum reads on rac and zubz (who for some reason aren't easy targets?)
#1269 Describe the Bae vote as wanting to give more options outside of the available vote leaders of the time. It didn't work, making him suspect that maybe scum was satisfied with the leaders at the time. Consolidates vote to Stan. For the record the vote leaders at the time are: Stan (4 votes), Brazil (3 votes), cabot (2 votes), geno (2 votes), fandorin (2 votes). Why go for Stan if Scum was happy with this spread?
Author's Note: wanted to keep CeeCee alive. Was pretty confident in him being Town Vig.
The infamous PR post #2381. Expected Flux or Fran to die from PR hints, notes maybe scum were scared of a Doc. #2396 for some reason notes what Febe's kill list was (why Febe??) and says if Flux is Town to look at that post. Wouldn't want to lynch Flux because of his claim hint. Spend rest of phase defending this post.
Conclusion: Again, inoffensive. He is incredibly conscious of how his actions appear in the game and is acting with that in mind. Specifically not voting Fandorin when he was popular and leaving Fando when gaining some heat. For some reason he has a connection to Fandorin here and I don't understand it. His reasons for jumping to Bae seem half-hearted at best. Not many lines of questioning, just sort of posts what he thinks at times. I'm….actually unsure here. He REALLY likes Fandorin though but is very aware of not being too supportive of him. I don't know if I scum read him though and I can't place why that is. He really leaves me scratching my head. Wouldn't be against him being lynched though, just think he would be lower on my list..
Well, it's hard to describe but his post just feel right to me and he said he could support fandorin, who I like too but don't want to create a runaway fandorin effect
Vote: Faddy
Faddy, I want you to explain all of those posts that I pointed out in my read list. What the hell were you on?
Where I go back and forth is the old "Wouldn't Scum be more cautious and know they couldn't swap their vote already?" So that's what gives me pause on it.
And what made that less believable than Turmoil who came forward with literally a Scum role.Wanting Flux dead.
He was clearly lieing and his 1 shot commute is obviously a lie as well. Even if he had a 1 shot commute he would never use it night 1. So he may be town and be an odd-night commuter or x shot but not what he said.
Fair, just explaining why it feels so weird to me. He even mentioned the locked votes when he voted for me in the first place, so the whole thing is trying to figure out what was going on in his head there.Why don't we stop using this WIFOM crap? You could say the same about Turmoil's claim but he was scum anyway.
On mobile but deaths are
Stan - override town
Turmoil backup scum
Geno vt
Cabot vt
Terra vt
Correct?
And what made that less believable than Turmoil who came forward with literally a Scum role.
NO BUT I WATCHED A FULL PLAYTHROUGH AND I AM A FAN OF ITS AESTHETIC BUT I DO ADMIT IT TAKES IT TOO FAR IN SOME RESPECTS WITH REGARDS TO OVERDOING IT
I know. Doesn't matter, I want to hear it.
Also, despite this Heroes & Villains push, Love Boat won in the end, and it's what I was hoping it'd be. Great.
To explain the Fandorin vote some more (and to answer Sorian) I'm quoting my big ISO of turmoil from the last Phase.
Was wrong about the conclusion but Turmoil spends a lot of time being self conscious of Fandorin and their connection to each other. At one point he even says, quote,
and why would Scum be worried of a runaway effect for a Townie? :thinkingemoji:
Wanting Flux dead.
He was clearly lieing and his 1 shot commute is obviously a lie as well. Even if he had a 1 shot commute he would never use it night 1. So he may be town and be an odd-night commuter or x shot but not what he said.
On mobile but deaths are
Stan - override town
Turmoil backup scum
Geno vt
Cabot vt
Terra vt
Correct?
Fair, just explaining why it feels so weird to me. He even mentioned the locked votes when he voted for me in the first place, so the whole thing is trying to figure out what was going on in his head there.