To add on to this, I would definitely like to hear Pirate Bae your thoughts on Chuggernaut's read on Ketkat, which totally lines up with what Brazil is saying here in my opinion.
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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
- Start date
Grizzly Is zubz vote on Turmoil staying or no?
Hmmm. Fair point but we've only had one so far, Cthulhu may have just been the odd man out.
With recent happenings in mind, I'd lynch Malus and Turmoil.
Their reactions feel the reverse of those who believed me, and it was super easy to argue against me and earn townie cred. It's partially why turmoil has been on my radar. Malus has been kind of coasting so I've been hesitant due to possible real life stuff, and Flux I'm torn on, because his reactions feel genuine but there's something else that I can't put my finger on.
I mean that you defended me defended Ketkat. Your defense, in particular, was well-thought out and actually made sense so I lean town on you, too. I mean that you "went with it" because you believed me, despite the uphill battle I was fighting. I think your explanation of it was better than the others mentioned. Does that answer your question?
What are you talking about? We won't have the same vote restriction D3, this is a cthulhu thing. Whether Fran overrides or not is his own damn business. We'll at least be able to vote and change votes hwne new issue comes in to have a real voting record.
And bullshit:
You say you never hinted at a PR, then you double back say you hinted at something (probably a name claim) then when I just ask about a soft claim you play some vague bullshit and throw light shade. Then you go back to saying you never did anything.
I'm convinced two different people are writing your posts at this point.
whoa now, my post is either from my reads or an answer to Fran's question including ketkat. It's beyond a stretch to call that a defense and you damn well know it. This sort of stuff is why you're my number 1 scum. You stretch and stretch and stretch to throw shade at people.
because Malus made the graph and then didn't have any sort of explanation as to what it was? there's not even a freakin title, it's bad form
Vote: Fran
I cannot see how the backup/override claim was anything other than an attempt to steer conversation in a really shitty way.
Settle down, guy. I went back and looked through for the last page for Flux to grab any quote I saw that went against the normal "Ketkat is Scum" narrative because he said he didn't remember there being a defense of her. Your's was one that fit the bill, because you weren't scum reading her. That's all.
Grizzly Is zubz vote on Turmoil staying or no?
Hmmm. Fair point but we've only had one so far, Cthulhu may have just been the odd man out.
Phoenix Wright was a fake modifier but election was still a real one. Election was way vanilla and I'd argue having to reverse how a lynch works and then giving someone a free license to kill whoever is more bastard than this. So yeah, only two modifiers but that's how it looks so far.
It does answer my question. I think you misinterpreted me (or I'm misinterpreting this) but to be honest. It doesn't really matter from my end, you claiming doesn't change that I already had you closer to town than scum so it's fine.
No, you need to read it again. It says it's in place for the next modifier vote. Meaning tonight when we are voting modifiers, you also can't switch your vote.
This isn't exactly helping your case.
also with no override we are currently at a three way tie between Flux, Pirate and Turmoil. Keep that in mind for those who have not voted
This doesn't make sense, and I have no idea what you're talking about. Timeline:
- Turmoil talks about a PR hint I made in D1 + 1.5 repeatedly.
- I call him out on it. I then say that I think I know what he's talking about, and mention role names.
- You repeatedly question where that PR hint could be.
- I call you out on it.
- You talk about how I've been "ignoring questions."
- I ask how I've been "ignoring questions."
- One of your examples is refusal to elaborate on PR hint I apparently made.
- I say that it doesn't matter.
- You ask why I was then egging myself having a PR on.
- ???
25 / 30
Also, there's a tie right now, how about not just adding new votes to the pile of people who probably can't be lynched at this point. This is about absolutbro but his vote is gone now so it's no anyone who hasn't voted. I appreciate the thought on being different but if we hit a tie then we have to depend on Fran doing something:
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
fluxwavez (3 votes)
faddy - #2,685
sorian - #2,703
fluxwavez - #2,722
pirate bae (3 votes)
ceecee - #2,705
malus - #2,712
fandorin - #2,716
turmoil7 (3 votes)
fran - #2,763
zubz - #2,771
fireblend - #2,807
ketkat (2 votes)
cabot - #2,609
fantomas - #2,689
fran (1 votes)
absolutbro - #2,805
blargonaut (1 votes)
blargonaut - #2,636
zubz (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,781
fantomas (1 votes)
rac - #2,744
malus (1 votes)
brazil - #2,748
Post Counts:
brazil: 28 cabot: 26 sorian: 26 fantomas: 23 fluxwavez: 23 natiko: 23 dr. monkey: 22 fran: 21 sawneeks: 20 thechuggernaut: 19 pirate bae: 19 faddy: 18 fandorin: 17 fireblend: 17 absolutbro: 16 zubz: 15 rac: 15 kyanrute: 15 grizzly: 13 blargonaut: 13 ceecee: 11 ketkat: 11 malus: 11 turmoil7: 11 lone_prodigy: 2 geno: 1
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==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
fluxwavez (3 votes)
faddy - #2,685
sorian - #2,703
fluxwavez - #2,722
pirate bae (3 votes)
ceecee - #2,705
malus - #2,712
fandorin - #2,716
turmoil7 (3 votes)
fran - #2,763
zubz - #2,771
fireblend - #2,807
ketkat (2 votes)
cabot - #2,609
fantomas - #2,689
fran (1 votes)
absolutbro - #2,805
blargonaut (1 votes)
blargonaut - #2,636
zubz (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,781
fantomas (1 votes)
rac - #2,744
malus (1 votes)
brazil - #2,748
Post Counts:
brazil: 28 cabot: 26 sorian: 26 fantomas: 23 fluxwavez: 23 natiko: 23 dr. monkey: 22 fran: 21 sawneeks: 20 thechuggernaut: 19 pirate bae: 19 faddy: 18 fandorin: 17 fireblend: 17 absolutbro: 16 zubz: 15 rac: 15 kyanrute: 15 grizzly: 13 blargonaut: 13 ceecee: 11 ketkat: 11 malus: 11 turmoil7: 11 lone_prodigy: 2 geno: 1
Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
uh... that doesn't make him scum though. you could have just outed a town PR
I thought "next modifier vote" meant that it was added to voting alongside the next modifier?
But now that you point that out... I see.
26 / 30
Totally fair. Literally after I anger voted I said "well shit" out loud. I should have voted Turmoil or Flux
Okay I'll go into more detail about the stats:
First all posted ranked lists are mapped to a range from 0 to 1, because people on the list itself didn't include themselves. That way the top scum gets a score of 1 and the top town gets a score of 0 and all other entries a score inbetween. With that we have a list of values in the range [0, 1] for each name on Frans list, which is then plotted in a box plot sorted by median value (yellow line).
I guess that's fair. I'll try to get my thoughts in order and get a couple explanations out, but I'm currently not very much awake so it may not come across as comprehensible as I think it does.
Both KetKat and Turmoil are generally scum or only very lightly town read (seen in the graph based on the ranked lists). There were a few mentions of how no one was defending KetKat but all those still put her rather low on their lists (I guess I'm guilty of this as well). In fact the only one completely town reading KetKat was Pirate Bae, whom I had an iffy feeling about anyway and it looked to me like she was trying to capitalize on a mislynch there.
If Pirate Bae flipped scum I would feel better about Chuggs and probably also about KetKat. I would look into people who kind of town read her but not very committed, such as Sawneeks or Faddy. A town flip would make me look into Zubz or Fireblend who had her as kind of scum but not very committed.
But this whole thing is moot now anyway with the role claim. So if Fran doesn't use the override I hope people who haven't voted yet go for Flux now.
I'm not claiming anything. I'm saying that turmoil is 100% lying right now, and I would vote for him if I could.
Dammit, should have kept my vote for the end of the phase.
28 / 30
This is simple. If you are vanilla, turmoil is lying and we lynch him. If we lynch him and he Is really a neapolitan we lynch you.
So you are vanilla or not?
The stats thing is fine. That vote is weird as hell though and I don't really buy it at all.
We're in the clown show now so who cares. Lynch Flux, if he is ordinary, lynch Turmoil. They want to set themselves up as opposites and I'm happy to oblige.
A neapolitan is the probably THE weakest investigator ever (and actually is a dencent scum power to fair), there's no issue with having them and an alignment cop on the same team. Multiple alignment cops is where you have an issue.
I'm just burning my posts at this point, #28
What madness is this game?
Just don't lynch Bae for christ sake.
I still have my vote, just debating between Flux and Turmoil right now. I want to see how their argument goes.
What madness is this game?
Just don't lynch Bae for christ sake.
i literally cannot hold all these clowns
argh
your life is on the line, do the damn counterclaim or die
Vanilla cop is a scum role btw.
No, no stupid fucking games if you are town. You are saying right now if you are vanilla or not, I don't care what the role is. If you flip town and you lied or kept this vague then we lynch Turmoil on wrong evidence and that can get us in trouble if you are both town somehow.
#29
No. It isn't simple.
Ugh, fine, I'll enter the league of vague PR claimers. I'm not vanilla. But, also, there is absolutely no way Turmoil could have used his ability on me during N1. That's it.
But like hell I'm telling you what my ability is right now.
Jesus Christ, people, Flux is being uncooperative for no reason.
KILL FLUX
turmoil's post about Flux's hint of being a PR makes complete sense with his claim in mind.
KILL FLUX
turmoil's post about Flux's hint of being a PR makes complete sense with his claim in mind.
You may as well just admit you have a PR role with a post like this. That is not the mindset of vanilla town.
This is fucking stupid.
Great odd night commuter. Flip one of them, deal with the fall out tomorrow, one is lying.
Brazil You just hit 30 posts, don't post again
I've also hit 30, night everyone.
Being cagey at this point isn't getting you anywhere.
You were completely untargetable on N1 or what?
Turmoil +1 over Flux currently, with 7 votes left:
Pirate Bae
Lone_Prodigy
Natiko
Ketkat
Kyanrute
Dr. Monkey
TheChuggernaut
OP
OP
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
turmoil7 (4 votes)
fran - #2,763
zubz - #2,771
fireblend - #2,807
pirate bae - #2,824
fluxwavez (3 votes)
faddy - #2,685
sorian - #2,703
fluxwavez - #2,722
pirate bae (3 votes)
ceecee - #2,705
malus - #2,712
fandorin - #2,716
ketkat (2 votes)
cabot - #2,609
fantomas - #2,689
fran (1 votes)
absolutbro - #2,805
blargonaut (1 votes)
blargonaut - #2,636
zubz (1 votes)
turmoil7 - #2,781
fantomas (1 votes)
rac - #2,744
malus (1 votes)
brazil - #2,748
Post Counts:
brazil: 30 sorian: 30 fluxwavez: 28 cabot: 26 fran: 24 fantomas: 23 natiko: 23 dr. monkey: 22 sawneeks: 22 fandorin: 20 thechuggernaut: 20 pirate bae: 20 faddy: 19 absolutbro: 19 fireblend: 17 kyanrute: 17 rac: 16 zubz: 15 grizzly: 14 turmoil7: 14 blargonaut: 13 malus: 13 ketkat: 12 ceecee: 11 lone_prodigy: 2 geno: 1
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Just because he commutes doesn't necessarily mean Turmoil can't get a check on him depending on how Bear chooses to do things.
Guys not being ordinary doesn't make him scum. There is no reason for an actual town vanilla cop to out another player like this, it's insanely anti-town.