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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
- Start date
Fran, if Turmoil is killed & flips, I'd go to Pirate Bae over CeeCee since I still believe CeeCes's Town, albeit a Town who made a big mistake that left plenty of questions. Let me get my Cthulhu reads for my overall pick.
Still doesn't explain why you saw the easy bandwagon pick as "fun," & why "fun" is the voting criteria. And with this non-answer, that puts you over 10 posts in the final hours, huh? Funny how that works out.
If this wasn't Cthulhu, I'd be voting for you now before seeing if my reads help/hurt another case. Looking back... do Cthulhu rules do anything other than help Scum?
13/30
Still doesn't explain why you saw the easy bandwagon pick as "fun," & why "fun" is the voting criteria. And with this non-answer, that puts you over 10 posts in the final hours, huh? Funny how that works out.
If this wasn't Cthulhu, I'd be voting for you now before seeing if my reads help/hurt another case. Looking back... do Cthulhu rules do anything other than help Scum?
13/30
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==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
ketkat (2 votes)
cabot - #2,609
fantomas - #2,689
blargonaut (1 votes)
blargonaut - #2,636
fluxwavez (1 votes)
faddy - #2,685
Post Counts:
cabot: 25 dr. monkey: 20 thechuggernaut: 19 natiko: 19 fran: 18 brazil: 17 fantomas: 17 sorian: 16 pirate bae: 15 sawneeks: 14 zubz: 13 faddy: 13 blargonaut: 13 fluxwavez: 13 kyanrute: 12 ketkat: 11 fandorin: 10 rac: 10 absolutbro: 10 grizzly: 9 ceecee: 9 fireblend: 8 turmoil7: 7 malus: 6 lone_prodigy: 2 geno: 1
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Day Start
ketkat (2 votes)
cabot - #2,609
fantomas - #2,689
blargonaut (1 votes)
blargonaut - #2,636
fluxwavez (1 votes)
faddy - #2,685
Post Counts:
cabot: 25 dr. monkey: 20 thechuggernaut: 19 natiko: 19 fran: 18 brazil: 17 fantomas: 17 sorian: 16 pirate bae: 15 sawneeks: 14 zubz: 13 faddy: 13 blargonaut: 13 fluxwavez: 13 kyanrute: 12 ketkat: 11 fandorin: 10 rac: 10 absolutbro: 10 grizzly: 9 ceecee: 9 fireblend: 8 turmoil7: 7 malus: 6 lone_prodigy: 2 geno: 1
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Because Fran still doesn't have a gun to his head forcing him to override. He could simply not if votes end up picking someone he wants dead anyway. cabot is smarter than that, he awards 9 time since our of 10 that vote is symbolic but there are those fringe cases where it's not.
Price is Right and HvV have items in their real game so I am willing to guarantee with a gun to my head that they won't here. Saying Chuggs claiming is bad play is true, saying it's a scum maneuver is interesting coming from you considering you psychologically forced him into that. You spent a whole day tunneling him then came in hot today saying you were lynching whoever you wanted. No offense to Chuggs but he's an inexperienced mafia player, I'm not shocked to see him buckle quick even if there wasn't present danger.
As far as your three people, you're already getting your reads from your little ordering exercise. I still don't think any of them are the best choice today so
VOTE: FluxWaveZ
Nothing he's done today has convinced me otherwise and he's fine ignoring questions because you aren't lynching him.
Why? Cthulhu was probably our first game that strayed into bastard and it ended up being the tamest/lamest modifier ever. At this point, I think I'm probably just going to vote conspiracy and we'll probably get someone low key like "someone has a secret double vote!"
I have no idea what people want with posts like these. You recognize that we have no way of knowing what a modifier is, then still lament those that didn't go your way as if they purposefully chose the game limitations that resulted from their game pick. It makes no sense.
It's been awhile since I read Cthulhu game, but weren't these modifiers in place the whole game? I assumed most of the modifiers would be easily guessed based on the game that inspired it. Kind of like how Archer absolutely would be bringing back the Mission System for a Night.
I'm probably wrong based on the responses I'm now getting, but I thought Cthulhu also had lock-in rules & that would be the most likely modifiers it would have in this game.
14/30
nah, none of this was in cthulhu.
Fran, I'm not answering your question. I can deal with what happens from the flips once I've seen the flip and the following night actions.
Right now I feel like I'm doing a dance for your appeasement.
I didn't shower. it's a smelly dance. Congratulation.
Fran, I'm not answering your question. I can deal with what happens from the flips once I've seen the flip and the following night actions.
Right now I feel like I'm doing a dance for your appeasement.
I didn't shower. it's a smelly dance. Congratulation.
Oh, that is not how I interpreted your original post at all.
I just think it's a crapshoot to try and puzzle it out without actual flips since there's a thousand permutations it could be balance wise. Hell, if CeeCee is a JOAT scum or even neutral it could be multiple killing abilities which would completely throw any attempt to guess out of whack. I personally still find it difficult to understand CeeCee's actions in a manner other than bad town, but short of actual flips I doubt my read is going to alter based on kills. Unless we see another hidden day kill I guess which would maybe be too many lies on top of lies for me.
For Bae it's a toss up, I don't think it clears Ketkat, but I'd at least want to reread all of their posts referencing each other again before I commit. For turmoil definitely still Ketkat. For CeeCee I would want to go back and read the reactions to CeeCee's shot again with fresh eyes and the flip to see if my thoughts changed any (for instance the leashing stuff could be a concern especially anyone that jumped at the idea a bit too eagerly).
Going to be honest, I had seen his recent scum read of you and just sort of assumed. My underlying point stands: I don't care he is scum reading you, it has no impact on my decision to scum read him.
He sort of does, given that if scum believes his claim he's unlikely to survive the night. Your final sentence got auto-correct mangled, but I think I see your point. I just don't see how it leads to "more likely to be town". Scum are just as likely to put a vote forward knowing it's likely to be overridden. Same reason, I'm guessing Blarg was willing to vote himself knowing he can't change it.
well... I'm assuming he knows he can't change it.
He claimed before I said that I would lynch whoever I wanted.
No. And this has been discussed in the thread, too. Have you been reading? Sorian in particular has talked about this. There have been several posts to Fran about it, too.
I don't like your explanation. I don't like what it implies. You are disengaged from the thread. And hoping a bunch of people get modkilled is not great either.
Fran, I'm not doing lynch orders. I don't think that serves anyone. It just gives scum ideas where to focus tomorrow when I hope we get more open discussion and real pressure. I addressed connections in my post.
If votes weren't locked, I'd vote Zubz here.
That was not me equating them to Geno, it was me saying he was an odd kill even as a no-info kill, and that Ab/nin would have been better lynches, in contrast to Geno. Did that really not come across clearly?
Joining in on the "those Zubz posts are weird" chorus. Sorian even complained about how uninteresting the modifier was considering how wild Cthulhu was earlier today.
I wouldn't base my vote on CeeCee just on that and I expect at least 2 more flips to start thinking about that, besides the fact that other claims could affect the theory. Not that far fetched to me.
This is a really weird post. Not sure what it says about your alignment, maybe nothing, but it's definitely a horrible look for you
Hummmm
I think I'm here too.
Vote: Pirate Bae
If CeeCee is actually scum, I'd think someone who sidelined the whole policy lynch vs. "no thats a town role" would be the scum. It's an awkward argument that could swing either way so I could see one or two scum members just passively commenting and not actually pushing on it (I haven't read back who falls into this category, I'll try to if I have time today). I don't think PB or Turmoil makes a clear link to another scum member on death tbh, I don't think Ket is scum if PB is though and I don't think Flux is if Turmoil is (and vice-versa for both of those).
Oh no, we'd lose an override and scum would have had to waste a kill on someone who is a known quantity PR wise but still vague on alignment. Override is one of those negative utility things since it's biggest uses are defense for the person who has it and like a vig shot, is likely to hit town early game. Him dying without using it is whatever and to be completely honest, I doubt scum cares he's there holding it unless his list is the whole scum team.
Don't play, he claimed after you said you were an overrider, people can fill in the blanks.
Hmm, I see. The "he could be seen as a low info kill" made me interpret it the way I did. I see your way as well now.
This tells me nothing.
This tells me even less. Why the hurry to vote if you're going to back down from that in your next post?
You're climbing my list, malus. You're paying attention enough to turn this mess into numbers, but not enough to avoid saying that "no one opposes" the Ketkat scumread.
Can you explain what each distribution is of here? Are you rating each of their posts on a scale and then plotting their distributions with quantiles or something? This looks like noise to me.
Scum
- Turmoil
- Fantomas
- Rac
- Blarg
- Chuggs
- CeeCee
- KetKat
- Pirate Bae
Because "gut feeling" is not an appropriate reason. Now that I've made my mind, here it is:
Faddy
Still gut feeling, lol. Well, this was weird:
Came with this random thought about Brazil when I just said that he didn't stand out much to me, but then immediately leans towards town for Brazil when Natiko talks about how vote lists and kill lists aren' the same.
And now he's voting for me, even though previously he was talking about how he had other people as people higher in his scum list than I. Faddy, what bumped me up that list?
Fantomas
Unfortunately, another gut feeling. He's very active and actively scum hunting and all that good stuff. Doesn't change it.
Perhaps it's his fixation on either lynching KetKat or Pirate Bae this day phase, two people who I wouldn't want lynched today, with arguments that they give bad vibes.
My reasoning for why she shouldn't be lynched wasn't to protect myself. There's usually an underlying sense of complicity with scum unless someone messes up and/or there's a bus going, and I'm not feeling that at all with KetKat.
Point to the questions I've ignored.
Besides:
VOTE: FluxWaveZ
With Fran making this day pretty much revolve around his decision, I'm intrested in seeing what comes of it.
14/30
This is the aggregate of all ranking lists (The one Fran asked for) posted so far.
I'm not saying it's a massive loss. I'm just arguing the feeling of a gun to a head.
Did want to come back to this as I'm at my PC. I read over the day again and didn't really see anyone with both a high post count and a high number of junk posts, so this was sort of a bust. Still a couple hours to go and more people in the 15-20 post range where the need to stay under starts to be a bigger thing, but I'm guessing it will end as sort of a nothing item. No loss.
This seems highly biasing, since it includes just the people that Fran listed and ignores the other 20ish players in the game. It's a good way to subconsciously focus the reader base.
No one has been been defended by another player as much as Ketkat in this game. This simply doesn't apply.
And I never said anything about you protecting yourself.
And my argument about Ketkat is hardly "bad vibes".
These defenses of Ketkat are ridiculously disingenuous at this point. It is not about low post count, it is not about bad vibes, she is definitely being defended and there is push back against her lynch. These are all facts.
These defenses of Ketkat are ridiculously disingenuous at this point. It is not about low post count, it is not about bad vibes, she is definitely being defended and there is push back against her lynch. These are all facts.
What happens if Fran shoots who I voted for? Does that mean my vote gets invalidated or do I get it back?
I guess I misread this part: "his honestly tells me more about you than it does about Ket herself."
But... huh? No one has defended KetKat as much as anyone else in this game? What do you mean? She's currently the one who seemingly has the most scum vibes in the list Fran provided according to malus' stats.
What happened to Pirate Bae? Actually, going back to your latest reads list, how comes she was one of your top scum reads at the start of this day phase, but then got demoted to "null"?
Am I missing something? Who are all these people defending KetKat?
And also, could you then provide a current summary for your reasoning for lynching KetKat? Because what I had kept track of was saying that "feels scummy".
15 / 30
To elaborate on my vote, it's only semi influenced by the graphs I posted. I already said she is currently my top scum read and this is just the continuation of that. But from the stats we can see that she has been read from top town to top scum, so we should get a lot of information from a flip.
This seems like a cop out to not have to commit to anything.
To every person saying that they scumread Ketkat, there's another one jumping in with shallow "Everyone scumreads her, so this feels wrong" lines. malus did this. turmoil did this. You did this. Pirate Bae went to bat about it.
You have at least 4 players defending Ketkat who claim to be doing so because no one is defending Ketkat. That's literally what my post was about. It's making me think that Ket is town, and that we'd get at least two scum down if we shot the four of you.
You, with that question. How would you get your vote back if the day will end when he uses his powers?
It does, but I'll straight up say that I would vote for Turmoil right now otherwise. Second would be Fantomas. But the self-vote pretty much ties into Fran because...
Precisely. And if he doesn't, then isn't that interesting? He created a vacuum of a day with his early role claim and statement that he would 100% use the override. So what happens if he doesn't? What happens if he survives to D3 with this apparent ability?
That is why.
16 / 30
Will third or fourth the calls for malus to explain the stats post. Numbers with nothing else are meaningless. And to steal his words, it's ALSO a cop out (it was the numbers! Not me!).
Zubz melting away when pressured. Do not like.
AB doing more today makes me feel marginally better but there is an odd tenor to his posts and the way he's flowing around others that I don't like.
It snowed a ton here and my power and internet are acting up, just FYI. I also have to try to run errands so here's hoping I don't end up in a snow bank.
People I definitely want to keep are Kyan, cabot, Sorian (god help us), and Natiko. Sneeks pending. Feel uncertain of many. Ready for tomorrow. Will try to be back by end of day unless my utilities give up the ghost.
Zubz melting away when pressured. Do not like.
AB doing more today makes me feel marginally better but there is an odd tenor to his posts and the way he's flowing around others that I don't like.
It snowed a ton here and my power and internet are acting up, just FYI. I also have to try to run errands so here's hoping I don't end up in a snow bank.
People I definitely want to keep are Kyan, cabot, Sorian (god help us), and Natiko. Sneeks pending. Feel uncertain of many. Ready for tomorrow. Will try to be back by end of day unless my utilities give up the ghost.
We vote him and if he doesn't use the override then, he'll probably flip scum.
locked ok, lets try this
vote: fantomas
Well, if the pushback agaisnt KetKat lync is so tangible, I'd switch for her instead of Pirate Bae. I don't really see it that clear and I'd rather get Pirate first since I think we get more info out if it, but yeah.
Flux self voting for no apparent reason threw a lot of the good will he had gained this phase out through the window.
Huh? Not sure I follow. What do you mean about your vote being invalidated? All votes will continue there, they just won't matter if Fran overrides the lynch. That's it.
Flux self voting for no apparent reason threw a lot of the good will he had gained this phase out through the window.
At the start of the day, it was based on me looking back through D1 and feeling like she was throwing out half baked reads. Like I said, could have been because she wasn't able to keep up with the thread and was skimming, or that it was because she was Scum and trying to confuse people.
Today, she has been keeping up with the thread, and I think she has a firm place in the discussions today which she did not have yesterday. I know where she stands, even if I disagree with her about Ketkat, I agree with her about Chuggernaut. I made a mention to Natiko when he was saying her defense of Ketkat was a red flag that I did not see it that way. I do still want to see her full read list that she said she would post today. I'm keeping my eye on her, but she's not a top scum read anymore based on today.
The people defending Ketkat:
My summary for wanting Ketkat the most is that she has done the least of anyone to try solving this game. Most of her posts are about herself, or about CeeCee the claimed Town Vig. She rarely shows up without people quoting her or tagging her and asking her a question. There is no reason for me to think she is on the side of Town when she does nothing to help us try to solve this game.
VOTE: malus
I guess it's pretty easy to ignore someone calling you out multiple times when they can't actually get you lynched, huh.
This also goes to Pirate Bae and turmoil. Flux at least responded to me, albeit seemingly without understanding what I meant.
Add Zubz to those four and you have my biggest scumreads right now. I'm looking forward to seeing how you all behave when democracy and scrutiny come back.
I guess it's pretty easy to ignore someone calling you out multiple times when they can't actually get you lynched, huh.
This also goes to Pirate Bae and turmoil. Flux at least responded to me, albeit seemingly without understanding what I meant.
Add Zubz to those four and you have my biggest scumreads right now. I'm looking forward to seeing how you all behave when democracy and scrutiny come back.