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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
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11. In order to vote for another player to be lynched, you must present it on its own line and in the following format with no spaces: [ HIGHLIGHT ]VOTE: playername[ /HIGHLIGHT ]. Misspelt votes are only accepted within reason. Any other format will not be accepted.
I assume this was a mistake so I'll let it slide, but don't intentionally go around a loophole to subvert rules. This vote isn't counted by vote tool right now.
I didn't think much of it because it's very straightforward. I had been yelling about CeeCee the entire time, so saying that I felt like voting him out the and there when he decided to go, "I'll tell you more about it later" in an attempt to have conversation continue and people forget about discussing his power role is a simple step of logic.
Why does it matter that CeeCee presumably had the ability to kill anyone from the shadows without any indication of who killed who? I would think It matters a hell of a lot. I haven't played enough to be that knowledgeable on these intricacies, but the reality of what happened is that we don't have proof that CeeCee even killed Stanley. Like, the way it went down, I thought at the time that CeeCee must have dissimulated some kind of hidden command when he talked about how it was put in "10 minutes ago."
I'd put up a hypothetical of a scummate of CeeCee's putting in the command instead of him, but for how it went down, that doesn't make sense. And also why I think he shouldn't be lynched today.
You're damn right it is. I think I sense certain similarities in my play and KetKat's, which is straight up one of the driving factors for my defense of hers.
Why she hasn't engaged? I dunno, there could be many reasons and it'd be fruitless for me to speculate on that. The game's been pretty overwhelming, so maybe that? I remember previous games I've participated in where killing off the active players was a topic of discussion, but that wouldn't even make sense in this game because of how much talking is happening.
I think that situation between Natiko and I, and KetKat and I are separate. I haven't been directly quoting KetKat throughout the game, referring to what she's saying without actually asking her about what she's saying or trying to get her to elaborate. My argument right now is a result of my observations, without having engaged with her. I'll quote her and all that if I find a reason to do so, like I'm doing here.
Well, now I gotta ask if you're joking. The two things that revolved around me in D1+1.5 was basically "not wanting to be the leader" and "let's lynch Sophia/CeeCee." I agree with Sawneeks many times about wanting to lynch CeeCee during the previous day phase.
And if there's one person I'd be willing to follow right now, it'd be Sawneeks. I'm with pretty much everything she says. So that extends to her trust of Brazil, and mistrust of Fireblend.
Splitting this up for other replies. Don't like the mega posts this day phase are incentivizing.
11/30
If a scummate to CeeCee put in the command and that scummate happens to die before CeeCee does then CeeCee gets lynched immediately. So I think your hypothetical fails right there on those grounds. I'm all for looking at things at both sides but even entertaining that CeeCee didn't commit that kill is the definition of wasting time.
Ugh, come on. Did you miss the part where I said that it doesn't make any sense, and because it doesn't make sense that reinforces why I don't want to be lynching him today? Don't want to have to burn a post on something that's in my comment already.
12/30
Ok, I have now read back on Kyanrute. Interesting fellow, definitely a unique one. Overall thoughts are still of a towny nature from me. One of the main things that sticks out to me is that I believe he was the first person to call out Chuggernaut way back in post #900. It's what got me to bring forward my thoughts on Chugg as well, even though they weren't that well formed yet, just to see what Kyan had. He came back to me in post #918 with his take, which was a new observation different from my own that I shared, but one that I had taken note of as well when I was still watching from the sidelines.
He does seem really "solvy" to me in how he likes to present a player and maybe a post of theirs, and try sorting it into Town/Scum by himself. He doesn't seem to be a fan of seeing CeeCee stick around, but I'm liking his reads that he shares and he seems genuinely interested in poking people and asking questions. I'll keep him in as a Town read of mine, nothing is making me think otherwise at this point.
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Ok this is post number 13/30 for me today, so I kind of want to settle down here and make sure I have plenty for the final parts of the day still. I may do some more rereads on other players here, but I don't know if I'll keep burning posts with my thoughts. I wanted to get these three down though since I said I would and wanted to share my thoughts with the thread for sure and see if anyone else wants to add to them.
That being said, I will definitely be working on another read list to get out before EoD. I'll try to make it as detailed as possible with thoughts on all of the players, and try to get some more of these Null reads of mine sorted based on how I feel about their D2 play and doing some more rereading.
Until then though, probably going to be going kind of quiet here. I might pop in for another big quote post if I have some more stuff to say, but I do want to hang on to as many of these precious posts as possible.
He does seem really "solvy" to me in how he likes to present a player and maybe a post of theirs, and try sorting it into Town/Scum by himself. He doesn't seem to be a fan of seeing CeeCee stick around, but I'm liking his reads that he shares and he seems genuinely interested in poking people and asking questions. I'll keep him in as a Town read of mine, nothing is making me think otherwise at this point.
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Ok this is post number 13/30 for me today, so I kind of want to settle down here and make sure I have plenty for the final parts of the day still. I may do some more rereads on other players here, but I don't know if I'll keep burning posts with my thoughts. I wanted to get these three down though since I said I would and wanted to share my thoughts with the thread for sure and see if anyone else wants to add to them.
That being said, I will definitely be working on another read list to get out before EoD. I'll try to make it as detailed as possible with thoughts on all of the players, and try to get some more of these Null reads of mine sorted based on how I feel about their D2 play and doing some more rereading.
Until then though, probably going to be going kind of quiet here. I might pop in for another big quote post if I have some more stuff to say, but I do want to hang on to as many of these precious posts as possible.
Yes, I'm not blind, but you also spend the paragraph before that one trying to paint the picture that we can't know CeeCee entered the command because it was secret, the two paragraphs next to each other read like a weird hedging where you got lost in your own explanation.
If you reply to this post, I'm going to wait for my next big one before replying back just to save posts.
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Anyway, at first look I'd be fine with CeeCee (shocking, i know), Zubz, and Turmoil. I'd also advocate for Febe at this point as well. I do want to ISO these 4 individuals as well as Chuggs, Zubz, and ket before making hard picks though.
Lone_Prodigy welcome, LP! It's been ages since we last played, how are you?
Okay, remove the whole theoretical Scum!Febe question. You swapped your read on Brazil because of his shot and not much else?
Honestly I'm shocked more people didn't respond to this considering you now have Godking powers.
Anyway, at first look I'd be fine with CeeCee (shocking, i know), Zubz, and Turmoil. I'd also advocate for Febe at this point as well. I do want to ISO these 4 individuals as well as Chuggs, Zubz, and ket before making hard picks though.
Don't care if this is old but you get away with wonderful gambits and are very good at this game.
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Don't have much to say other than thank you for posting these.
Wanted to have opinions from people that I felt either had not commented much on either player or I wanted their input on that specific set of posts. I didn't reference the player list and it was from memory.
man, you guys are harsh.
Lone_Prodigy welcome, LP! It's been ages since we last played, how are you?
that's incredibly debatable. i'm also surprised you don't list CeeCee or Chuggs here, why is that?
I'm asking for your response because Fantomas makes a very good point: It could be coincidence, but there is the possibility that since you were the first person to suspect her, you kind of began the train on her, so to speak. And that, to me, is suspicious because, as I said, she's an easy target and has been from the very beginning.
If you are scum, it would have been very easy to latch onto a quiet player in order to build up a reads list. She's the ideal candidate for an early game play like that.
I only know her play from GoT, so I'm basing it off of that. I didn't pay attention to Conspiracy in the slightest.
There are still people I'd like to observe, but I will have a definite reads list up by day end, definitely.
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Before I forget again...
Fantomas is giving me slight vibes with how I play as Scum. What I mean by this is that they are engaged, asking questions, giving reads, etc. but there's this....superficial vibe to all of it. Very little of what Fanto says or does goes deeper than surface level and is simply for appearances. The 'what are your 2 Top Scum/Town' in particular give me this. However, I say this with the caveat that there are things he does that I DO strongly Town Read: backing down from reading Fandorin and myself as Town for meta reasons and sticking on Pirate Bae being a few. I bring this up because in the case that we don't catch Scum and we're really deep into the game and Fanto is still around I'd honestly give them a second look.
Blargonaut How are you feeling this Day Phase? Also love the classic, vintage avatar by the way. I'm so used to you being Mabel I forgot you had that.
anyway, gonna try ISOing some people and catching up more.
Before I forget again...
Fantomas is giving me slight vibes with how I play as Scum. What I mean by this is that they are engaged, asking questions, giving reads, etc. but there's this....superficial vibe to all of it. Very little of what Fanto says or does goes deeper than surface level and is simply for appearances. The 'what are your 2 Top Scum/Town' in particular give me this. However, I say this with the caveat that there are things he does that I DO strongly Town Read: backing down from reading Fandorin and myself as Town for meta reasons and sticking on Pirate Bae being a few. I bring this up because in the case that we don't catch Scum and we're really deep into the game and Fanto is still around I'd honestly give them a second look.
Blargonaut How are you feeling this Day Phase? Also love the classic, vintage avatar by the way. I'm so used to you being Mabel I forgot you had that.
anyway, gonna try ISOing some people and catching up more.
more push back on whether or not scum would actually play like that
This is about as disingenuous as it gets. It's not like I came out of the gate and said she was scum. It's a read that developed over multiple posts based on her stances, the explanations for them, and her general lack of solving or scum hunting. There are any number of low activity players - why is it only Ketkat is getting such a large defense from you since you claim that's what this is all about?
Using your own words against you here Saw but this is how I think you have been playing this game.
Asking for a whole bunch of people to comment on specific posts. I tried to work out if we were the people you were scum reading or just a random group.
You like Fantomas also have a big reads you posted very early in the game.
You had Fantomas as one of your town for the reasons you are now saying they are scum. What has made you have a re-think on this?
Your scum read on Terra was wrong, I strongly believe you are wrong on CeeCee. Geno who just flipped town doesn't even get categorised but it looks like you read him Unsure to Scum.
I think you have far too many town in that list so maybe looking again at a few people you gave a pass to on Day 1 is townie re-evaluation. I also feel it could be scummy trying to walk back from naming all those people as townish.
Both are players who I feel are very under the radar. Zubz, particularly.
Zubz
Not much this day phase. Said this:
Connecting to this:
But I don't really recall many town reads from them? It's not great to admonish someone for something you're doing yourself.
I mean, this is nice and all, but I don't think it's the type of contribution to then be calling others for their lack of town reads:
And I'm not even sure why Zubz scum reads Blarg and I. Most of their comments are replies to people going, "You're right!" or "That's true" or something. Just agreeing with others, not really presenting anything of their own, and following the herd. If you want to be aiming at someone for sheeping, Zubz shouldn't be ignored.
I didn't understand the bolded part when I read it:
Why is it intriguing that Fantomas had the same thoughts as you did, Zubz? Just found it to be a weird thing to point out like this.
Waiting on them, btw.
Rac
Passive and uncertain, but has posted much more than Zubz. Instead with agreeing with a bunch of people, expresses uncertainty with how to proceed:
So this doesn't tell us anything about where he's actually leaning.
But he does at least think Chuggs is scum because of his role claim, so there's that.
Expression of self-preservation and fulfilling his win condition: 0/100.
This post makes me feel better about both of them, though, with a look into what they thought of the votes leading to Stanley's election.
Not really particularly looking closely at either of them for a lynch right now.
Fine, I get what you mean, but the purpose of that was simply to answer Dr. Monkey on why I found it in any way important that CeeCee could stealth kill. It's not something to actively ponder on right now, since it doesn't lead to possibilities that would make sense other than the immediate, but it's also not something to completely ignore. It just contributes to the mess and confusion, and just something to note when what I knew of a day vig. would be someone who'd have the ability to do it out in the open.
Also:
Nope:
Reasoning would be different now, though.
13 / 30
And here's a one line post because I'm not getting anywhere close to 30 lololol zing gotem shots fired
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As for Fantomas it was a thought that came to me when rethinking the game before bed last night. If you read my post on Fanto I don't Scum Read them, I still Town Read them more than anything. However, there are a few posts that stuck out to me as 'hey, I used to do that' but not strongly enough to start calling for their lynch. I wanted to throw it out there as an observation I made.
Also not sure what to say about me being wrong?? I'm not the only one who was off on those. :x
Answered monkey already on that part. The people I picked are ones I felt either hadn't commented much on either player or I simply wanted their take on those posts.
As for Fantomas it was a thought that came to me when rethinking the game before bed last night. If you read my post on Fanto I don't Scum Read them, I still Town Read them more than anything. However, there are a few posts that stuck out to me as 'hey, I used to do that' but not strongly enough to start calling for their lynch. I wanted to throw it out there as an observation I made.
Also not sure what to say about me being wrong?? I'm not the only one who was off on those. :x
basically null. kawl really wasn't here much and neither was nin, you're roughly a clean slate and people already dislike you for it.
Sorry for vanishing for a bit. Been having a rough time mental health wise. Going to make a read list real quick.
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CeeCee
Ketkat
Turmoil
Rac
Chuggs
Pirate Bae
Fantomas
Blarg
WTF are you smoking? They are in no way scum
If they aren't scum (or Neutral) I will eat my hat
CeeCee
Ketkat
Turmoil
Rac
Chuggs
Pirate Bae
Fantomas
Blarg
WTF are you smoking? They are in no way scum
No worries, Chuggs. Take care of yourself <3
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Still want to ISO: Zubz and rac. Might go for Chuggs and Flux, depends on time. Gonna be busy soon so these won't be until much later.
KetKat:
Just jokes around a bit for the first bit of Day 1 and doesn't change up much until #696 where people have called her out for being 'too jokey'. In that same post she says she would not want to vote people into the Godking role that could use it for Scum purposes and 'get away with it'. However, in the same exact post she states: " . I think that it's important to pick someone who we feel suspicious about in some way that we feel we can actually for sure gain something from." She gives Blarg as an example as someone who she is suspicious of but feels could get away with the Godking role as Scum because he doesn't answer questions directly. Expands on this to Monkey/Sorian in #711
Comes back in later and questions why Stan and Brazil have so many votes, though isn't against it. Does mention that she wouldn't vote in anyone who would want her dead like cabot. #1470
Fanto asks for reads. Gives Fanto because of the way they 'spread doubt' about others. Completely admits that this is how they, Ket, played in Conspiracy. Also sheeps CeeCee scum read. #1667
#1936. Says that she does not like leashing someone that people think is Neutral/Scum. Says that this gives them more opportunities to harm Town than anything as they can turn on us. Which is interesting as this somewhat contradicts her later statement at #2426 where she says if CeeCee shoots someone we want today then it would alleviate her concerns of him. I even ask her to clarify in #2470 and she doubles down on it. I..sort of see the reasoning here but it makes very little sense. She doesn't want to leash someone that people think is Anti-Town but goes on later to say if CeeCee does what they say then she would trust him more. It doesn't feel like she is willing to entertain the idea of a Scum/neutral!CeeCee blowing up whoever we want so he can stay alive. Feels like a weird omission from someone who I generally feel is a logical player.
Conclusion: Probably Scum. Not much solving, only sparse posts that have little new thoughts to them, and contradictory posts.
Turmoil7:
I'd sum up turmoil's play so far as 'inoffensive'. He's just kind of here, not a lot of strong stances, not a lot of new ideas. His biggest 'wave' would be his opening post this Day Phase.
What is interesting is his early Day 1 play is, again, inoffensive. He does give reads but they just sort of flow out from him. #337 he doesn't like the 'I don't want to be elected' people but finds it hard to make that alignment indicative. However, would kill Flux over Fran because of this. Also says rac is flying low.
#292 likes Sorian/Natiko for having a similar Godking election idea. Would not vote for blarg because of blargspeak. #381 notes how Brazil votes for Fandorin and while he, turmoil, likes Fandorin it makes him wary. Notes how Brazil made a Flux vs Terra post but doesn't actually comment on the contents of it. Wouldn't vote Power Rangers ( :( )
#636 Leaning town on Febe. Asks Fando what his take is on him. #639 clarifies to cabot that he likes Febe because his posts 'feel right' and because Febe supports Fandorin who he also likes. Notes that he didn't vote Fandorin because he didn't want to create a 'runaway Fandorin effect'?
#1012 Likes Stan, wouldn't vote for cabot. Votes for Fandorin here because his momentum seemed to have slowed down. Seems very concerned about appearing to push Fandorin along. Mentions in #1059 that he was wary of Fandorin because he had a lot of support from players 'like cabot' but it just deflated. Doesn't know what to make of it. Yet he supports Fandorin with a vote?
#1151 Notes he is selfconscious this game. Jumps to Pirate Bae for some reason. Town leans on Malus and Ketkat because they are easy targets, scum reads on rac and zubz (who for some reason aren't easy targets?)
#1269 Describe the Bae vote as wanting to give more options outside of the available vote leaders of the time. It didn't work, making him suspect that maybe scum was satisfied with the leaders at the time. Consolidates vote to Stan. For the record the vote leaders at the time are: Stan (4 votes), Brazil (3 votes), cabot (2 votes), geno (2 votes), fandorin (2 votes). Why go for Stan if Scum was happy with this spread?
Author's Note: wanted to keep CeeCee alive. Was pretty confident in him being Town Vig.
The infamous PR post #2381. Expected Flux or Fran to die from PR hints, notes maybe scum were scared of a Doc. #2396 for some reason notes what Febe's kill list was (why Febe??) and says if Flux is Town to look at that post. Wouldn't want to lynch Flux because of his claim hint. Spend rest of phase defending this post.
Conclusion: Again, inoffensive. He is incredibly conscious of how his actions appear in the game and is acting with that in mind. Specifically not voting Fandorin when he was popular and leaving Fando when gaining some heat. For some reason he has a connection to Fandorin here and I don't understand it. His reasons for jumping to Bae seem half-hearted at best. Not many lines of questioning, just sort of posts what he thinks at times. I'm….actually unsure here. He REALLY likes Fandorin though but is very aware of not being too supportive of him. I don't know if I scum read him though and I can't place why that is. He really leaves me scratching my head. Wouldn't be against him being lynched though, just think he would be lower on my list..
Still want to ISO: Zubz and rac. Might go for Chuggs and Flux, depends on time. Gonna be busy soon so these won't be until much later.
KetKat:
Just jokes around a bit for the first bit of Day 1 and doesn't change up much until #696 where people have called her out for being 'too jokey'. In that same post she says she would not want to vote people into the Godking role that could use it for Scum purposes and 'get away with it'. However, in the same exact post she states: " . I think that it's important to pick someone who we feel suspicious about in some way that we feel we can actually for sure gain something from." She gives Blarg as an example as someone who she is suspicious of but feels could get away with the Godking role as Scum because he doesn't answer questions directly. Expands on this to Monkey/Sorian in #711
Comes back in later and questions why Stan and Brazil have so many votes, though isn't against it. Does mention that she wouldn't vote in anyone who would want her dead like cabot. #1470
Fanto asks for reads. Gives Fanto because of the way they 'spread doubt' about others. Completely admits that this is how they, Ket, played in Conspiracy. Also sheeps CeeCee scum read. #1667
#1936. Says that she does not like leashing someone that people think is Neutral/Scum. Says that this gives them more opportunities to harm Town than anything as they can turn on us. Which is interesting as this somewhat contradicts her later statement at #2426 where she says if CeeCee shoots someone we want today then it would alleviate her concerns of him. I even ask her to clarify in #2470 and she doubles down on it. I..sort of see the reasoning here but it makes very little sense. She doesn't want to leash someone that people think is Anti-Town but goes on later to say if CeeCee does what they say then she would trust him more. It doesn't feel like she is willing to entertain the idea of a Scum/neutral!CeeCee blowing up whoever we want so he can stay alive. Feels like a weird omission from someone who I generally feel is a logical player.
Conclusion: Probably Scum. Not much solving, only sparse posts that have little new thoughts to them, and contradictory posts.
Turmoil7:
I'd sum up turmoil's play so far as 'inoffensive'. He's just kind of here, not a lot of strong stances, not a lot of new ideas. His biggest 'wave' would be his opening post this Day Phase.
What is interesting is his early Day 1 play is, again, inoffensive. He does give reads but they just sort of flow out from him. #337 he doesn't like the 'I don't want to be elected' people but finds it hard to make that alignment indicative. However, would kill Flux over Fran because of this. Also says rac is flying low.
#292 likes Sorian/Natiko for having a similar Godking election idea. Would not vote for blarg because of blargspeak. #381 notes how Brazil votes for Fandorin and while he, turmoil, likes Fandorin it makes him wary. Notes how Brazil made a Flux vs Terra post but doesn't actually comment on the contents of it. Wouldn't vote Power Rangers ( :( )
#636 Leaning town on Febe. Asks Fando what his take is on him. #639 clarifies to cabot that he likes Febe because his posts 'feel right' and because Febe supports Fandorin who he also likes. Notes that he didn't vote Fandorin because he didn't want to create a 'runaway Fandorin effect'?
#1012 Likes Stan, wouldn't vote for cabot. Votes for Fandorin here because his momentum seemed to have slowed down. Seems very concerned about appearing to push Fandorin along. Mentions in #1059 that he was wary of Fandorin because he had a lot of support from players 'like cabot' but it just deflated. Doesn't know what to make of it. Yet he supports Fandorin with a vote?
#1151 Notes he is selfconscious this game. Jumps to Pirate Bae for some reason. Town leans on Malus and Ketkat because they are easy targets, scum reads on rac and zubz (who for some reason aren't easy targets?)
#1269 Describe the Bae vote as wanting to give more options outside of the available vote leaders of the time. It didn't work, making him suspect that maybe scum was satisfied with the leaders at the time. Consolidates vote to Stan. For the record the vote leaders at the time are: Stan (4 votes), Brazil (3 votes), cabot (2 votes), geno (2 votes), fandorin (2 votes). Why go for Stan if Scum was happy with this spread?
Author's Note: wanted to keep CeeCee alive. Was pretty confident in him being Town Vig.
The infamous PR post #2381. Expected Flux or Fran to die from PR hints, notes maybe scum were scared of a Doc. #2396 for some reason notes what Febe's kill list was (why Febe??) and says if Flux is Town to look at that post. Wouldn't want to lynch Flux because of his claim hint. Spend rest of phase defending this post.
Conclusion: Again, inoffensive. He is incredibly conscious of how his actions appear in the game and is acting with that in mind. Specifically not voting Fandorin when he was popular and leaving Fando when gaining some heat. For some reason he has a connection to Fandorin here and I don't understand it. His reasons for jumping to Bae seem half-hearted at best. Not many lines of questioning, just sort of posts what he thinks at times. I'm….actually unsure here. He REALLY likes Fandorin though but is very aware of not being too supportive of him. I don't know if I scum read him though and I can't place why that is. He really leaves me scratching my head. Wouldn't be against him being lynched though, just think he would be lower on my list..
Scum
Ketkat
Turmoil
Pirate Bae
rac
Blarg
Chuggs
CeeCee
Fantomas
Town
Hope all is well Chuggster
Can you explain your reasoning for Blarg being the least scummy here? He has been weirdly helpful and invested in this game, but that always makes me feel like he's a little scummier, but I never can read him it feels like. He's been completely absent this day phase as well
I will use a post to say I hope you're okay, Chuggs. I hope everyone is okay. <3 I like all of you. Even Sorian.
D&D tonight so I'll keep sitting on my posts.
D&D tonight so I'll keep sitting on my posts.
I'm going to echo what a lot of other people have said and say this shit is hard when you have no votes to go off of.
Town
Brazil: Seems to be trying to solve the game. I wasn't really sure about the Terra reading at the time because I was admittedly not paying much attention to it, but looking back on it, I can see where's he's coming from, so I'm not going to hold that against him.
Fran: Someone brought up an interesting point about how Fran might not of bought his claim if he was on the other side of it, but I feel like scum Fran would of been more careful not to do something like that. I think Fran is telling the truth.
Sorian: Agreed with a lot of his stuff early on and I like his post today. Putting him in the same camp with Brazil where it seems like he's trying to solve the game.
Dr. Monkey: Same as Brazil and Sorian. Liked a lot of her posts.
Sawneeks: I like Neeks. She has made a lot of posts that I agree with, and even the ones I don't I think are pretty well backed up and I can usually see where's she's coming from.
Faddy: Goes in the same camp as some of the others. He seems like he's actually trying to solve the game.
Lean town
Pirate Bae: I wasn't too sure about her at first, but I have pretty similar thoughts about Ketkat being the easy lynch that she seems to also share which has made me feel better about her.
Fireblend: I feel like Fireblend has been flying under the radar despite having a good bit of posts. Nothing in his posts are sending up any red flags though so I feel pretty alright about him for not
rac: Rac is playing how I remember town rac played in my first game with him. He seems okay.
Malus: I mentioned this in the post that got me scum read by Fran into my inevitable death, but I'm still feeling good about Malus.
Ketkat: I can see where some of the arguments against Ketkat are coming from with the way she seems to be dodging a read list, but I have to agree with what some others are saying. She feels like the easy lynch for scum to get behind which makes me very nervous. I also thought her read on Fanto was pretty good. A flip from her would either completely destroy most of my reads or help them a lot so I wouldn't be completely against seeing the flip from Ketkat, but I would rather not kill her as of right now.
Ceecee: I don't see scum making the play he did. It's just really out there. The NK things might have had some holes in it, but I see where he was coming from. Just might not of been the best thought out plan.
Null
Zubz: There really just isn't much here. They have a few reads that I agree with and a few I don't. I would keep my eye on them, but they're not someone I would go for today.
Blarg: It's Blarg.
FluxWaveZ: Admittedly, I have not been paying much attention to Flux, but he seems like he's been ignoring most of the Chugg/Fran stuff too so I feel like that makes us even. Reading back on his posts, I think he's fine? He argued with Terra for a bit there, but nothing really seemed super scummy. I wouldn't go to bat for him, but I would rather not kill him right now.
LP: Kawl, into nin, into LP is hilarious. I have nothing for this slot.
Fandorin: I like his posts for the most part, but nothing really jumps out as town I guess?
Kyanrute: Not super sure what to make of him.
AB: He's playing about how I expect him to. Could go either way.
Lean scum
cabot: I find myself nodding along to most of his posts, but he's also pushed back against me every time I scum read Fanto which I think is interesting. If Fanto flips scum, I would probably give him another look.
Natiko: At first glance, Natiko feels like he's trying to solve the game, but something feels off to me about his posts and I can't quite put my finger on it. 2 of the 5 people he name dropped in his scum list have turned out to be town, but he might of just been off for those. His insistence on going after Ketkat kind of concerns me as well as the push back he had to Pirate Bae's posts about Ketkat. If Ketkat flips town, I think it might be a good time to look into him.
Scum
Fanto: I've mentioned this before, but I feel like Fanto played me and Fran into gunning for each other for a bit. I think his goal was to get me lynched and then turn on Fran, but I don't think that would be the case right now after the claim.
Turmoil7: I'm trying to be careful with him because my scum read on him in Brexit ended up making that game last for way longer then it should of, but Turmoils just posted a whole lot of nothing. He also seems weirdly paranoid about how he comes off. A scum flip for him would also make me feel a bit better about Natiko because Natiko had him in his scum lists.
And that's that. I feel like we probably have more then 4 scum, and I also don't think those 4 would be on a scum team together. I also wouldn't be shocked if one of my "Feels like they're trying to solve the game" reads turns out to be scum. I really wish I had more information here, but it is what it is. I still think I'm catching the lynch tonight. I didn't really read that post about Fran killing me as a joke, and I think he tried to play it as one so I would come back, but eh. What can you do.
Town
Brazil: Seems to be trying to solve the game. I wasn't really sure about the Terra reading at the time because I was admittedly not paying much attention to it, but looking back on it, I can see where's he's coming from, so I'm not going to hold that against him.
Fran: Someone brought up an interesting point about how Fran might not of bought his claim if he was on the other side of it, but I feel like scum Fran would of been more careful not to do something like that. I think Fran is telling the truth.
Sorian: Agreed with a lot of his stuff early on and I like his post today. Putting him in the same camp with Brazil where it seems like he's trying to solve the game.
Dr. Monkey: Same as Brazil and Sorian. Liked a lot of her posts.
Sawneeks: I like Neeks. She has made a lot of posts that I agree with, and even the ones I don't I think are pretty well backed up and I can usually see where's she's coming from.
Faddy: Goes in the same camp as some of the others. He seems like he's actually trying to solve the game.
Lean town
Pirate Bae: I wasn't too sure about her at first, but I have pretty similar thoughts about Ketkat being the easy lynch that she seems to also share which has made me feel better about her.
Fireblend: I feel like Fireblend has been flying under the radar despite having a good bit of posts. Nothing in his posts are sending up any red flags though so I feel pretty alright about him for not
rac: Rac is playing how I remember town rac played in my first game with him. He seems okay.
Malus: I mentioned this in the post that got me scum read by Fran into my inevitable death, but I'm still feeling good about Malus.
Ketkat: I can see where some of the arguments against Ketkat are coming from with the way she seems to be dodging a read list, but I have to agree with what some others are saying. She feels like the easy lynch for scum to get behind which makes me very nervous. I also thought her read on Fanto was pretty good. A flip from her would either completely destroy most of my reads or help them a lot so I wouldn't be completely against seeing the flip from Ketkat, but I would rather not kill her as of right now.
Ceecee: I don't see scum making the play he did. It's just really out there. The NK things might have had some holes in it, but I see where he was coming from. Just might not of been the best thought out plan.
Null
Zubz: There really just isn't much here. They have a few reads that I agree with and a few I don't. I would keep my eye on them, but they're not someone I would go for today.
Blarg: It's Blarg.
FluxWaveZ: Admittedly, I have not been paying much attention to Flux, but he seems like he's been ignoring most of the Chugg/Fran stuff too so I feel like that makes us even. Reading back on his posts, I think he's fine? He argued with Terra for a bit there, but nothing really seemed super scummy. I wouldn't go to bat for him, but I would rather not kill him right now.
LP: Kawl, into nin, into LP is hilarious. I have nothing for this slot.
Fandorin: I like his posts for the most part, but nothing really jumps out as town I guess?
Kyanrute: Not super sure what to make of him.
AB: He's playing about how I expect him to. Could go either way.
Lean scum
cabot: I find myself nodding along to most of his posts, but he's also pushed back against me every time I scum read Fanto which I think is interesting. If Fanto flips scum, I would probably give him another look.
Natiko: At first glance, Natiko feels like he's trying to solve the game, but something feels off to me about his posts and I can't quite put my finger on it. 2 of the 5 people he name dropped in his scum list have turned out to be town, but he might of just been off for those. His insistence on going after Ketkat kind of concerns me as well as the push back he had to Pirate Bae's posts about Ketkat. If Ketkat flips town, I think it might be a good time to look into him.
Scum
Fanto: I've mentioned this before, but I feel like Fanto played me and Fran into gunning for each other for a bit. I think his goal was to get me lynched and then turn on Fran, but I don't think that would be the case right now after the claim.
Turmoil7: I'm trying to be careful with him because my scum read on him in Brexit ended up making that game last for way longer then it should of, but Turmoils just posted a whole lot of nothing. He also seems weirdly paranoid about how he comes off. A scum flip for him would also make me feel a bit better about Natiko because Natiko had him in his scum lists.
And that's that. I feel like we probably have more then 4 scum, and I also don't think those 4 would be on a scum team together. I also wouldn't be shocked if one of my "Feels like they're trying to solve the game" reads turns out to be scum. I really wish I had more information here, but it is what it is. I still think I'm catching the lynch tonight. I didn't really read that post about Fran killing me as a joke, and I think he tried to play it as one so I would come back, but eh. What can you do.
Sorry for the book! It's been a heck of a week. It was audit week at work, & even if the therapists aren't directly affected, we still have to mount walls of paperwork & our regular emergencies. Audit week is done so I should be more active going forward.
That said, my thoughts are like hitting a brick wall still... I'm not reading anyone else too well beyond "human playing Mafia," "human not playing Mafia," & "Blarg." But speaking of brick walls, I can at least address the questions others raised!
You identified I me mentioning Fran killing Chuggs. I don't think that's locked in, that was just what I thought Fran was planning on doing because I was confused about what a "BP" meant. As for Fantomas, it's that Fantomas quickly got riled up about... one of them, after they brought him up. I think it was Chuggs?
I quoted this because it's a smaller post, but also because I agree that Fran is being a bit too aggressive on the "I'm Town" front, & in particular makes me feel that one of the 3 people in that triangle is Scum.
I thought I called KetKat out about that D1. Fantomas did it too, IIRC. It seemed like an intentional dodge & rubbed me the wrong way, since the question was specifically Top 2 Town & Top 2 Scum, & KetKat did the former. Granted, I chumped out a bit by putting myself as Town, but I was having trouble with Town/Scum reads. Still kind of am...
Fluff, but you're a wonderful hunter of Scum!
That was because I expected to be back at the office by 5 PM as I did not take a lunch break & was planning to wrap up D1 then. This week being, well, this week, I did not get back until after 5 PM, nor did I have any breaks to catch/fix that typo. I apologize for irking you. As for CeeCee, the first post about killing CeeCee was me blindly thinking CeeCee was Scum because of his really poor decision to kill Stanley. The 2nd post was after realizing CeeCee probably isn't Scum, even if I don't agree with the decision. I am not for killing CeeCee, but I do hope CeeCee is more cautious with that power in the future.
The reason I'm suspicious of Turmoil is because he was not only low activity on D1, but also his only activities included bandwagoning onto the Stanley vote. Again, somewhat hypocritical, but I explained my vote & it was before Stanley really became a bandwagon-able choice. I mentioned other posters who were low activity but jumped on that train but will need to look back at that later.
I don't remember why I suspected you either, but will have to review it. Blarg was because Blarg was posting to a distracting degree, which is what Blarg usually does when Scum, even though Blarg has also done it when Town, & that was mostly on D1, where people outside the GM bother to remember the flavor &, again, flavor of this game is Mafia history & Blarg, so I can see that just having riled up Blarg to post more regardless of motive.
Admittedly, I tend to post "sheepishly" regardless. I know we aren't supposed to comb others' Era posts, but that's unfortunately a problem of mine. I need to work on that a bit.
I didn't think it was intriguing that Fantomas had the same thoughts I did, I thought it was intriguing that Fantomas got riled up about Chuggs suddenly.
S'all good! Anything we can do to help?
... Now if you'll excuse me, this week took a lot of blood, sweat, & tears out of me. My pizza got here 3/4 through this read list, so it's time to replace those fluids with Domino's Garlic Sauce.
5/30
That said, my thoughts are like hitting a brick wall still... I'm not reading anyone else too well beyond "human playing Mafia," "human not playing Mafia," & "Blarg." But speaking of brick walls, I can at least address the questions others raised!
You identified I me mentioning Fran killing Chuggs. I don't think that's locked in, that was just what I thought Fran was planning on doing because I was confused about what a "BP" meant. As for Fantomas, it's that Fantomas quickly got riled up about... one of them, after they brought him up. I think it was Chuggs?
I quoted this because it's a smaller post, but also because I agree that Fran is being a bit too aggressive on the "I'm Town" front, & in particular makes me feel that one of the 3 people in that triangle is Scum.
I thought I called KetKat out about that D1. Fantomas did it too, IIRC. It seemed like an intentional dodge & rubbed me the wrong way, since the question was specifically Top 2 Town & Top 2 Scum, & KetKat did the former. Granted, I chumped out a bit by putting myself as Town, but I was having trouble with Town/Scum reads. Still kind of am...
Fluff, but you're a wonderful hunter of Scum!
That was because I expected to be back at the office by 5 PM as I did not take a lunch break & was planning to wrap up D1 then. This week being, well, this week, I did not get back until after 5 PM, nor did I have any breaks to catch/fix that typo. I apologize for irking you. As for CeeCee, the first post about killing CeeCee was me blindly thinking CeeCee was Scum because of his really poor decision to kill Stanley. The 2nd post was after realizing CeeCee probably isn't Scum, even if I don't agree with the decision. I am not for killing CeeCee, but I do hope CeeCee is more cautious with that power in the future.
The reason I'm suspicious of Turmoil is because he was not only low activity on D1, but also his only activities included bandwagoning onto the Stanley vote. Again, somewhat hypocritical, but I explained my vote & it was before Stanley really became a bandwagon-able choice. I mentioned other posters who were low activity but jumped on that train but will need to look back at that later.
I don't remember why I suspected you either, but will have to review it. Blarg was because Blarg was posting to a distracting degree, which is what Blarg usually does when Scum, even though Blarg has also done it when Town, & that was mostly on D1, where people outside the GM bother to remember the flavor &, again, flavor of this game is Mafia history & Blarg, so I can see that just having riled up Blarg to post more regardless of motive.
Admittedly, I tend to post "sheepishly" regardless. I know we aren't supposed to comb others' Era posts, but that's unfortunately a problem of mine. I need to work on that a bit.
I didn't think it was intriguing that Fantomas had the same thoughts I did, I thought it was intriguing that Fantomas got riled up about Chuggs suddenly.
S'all good! Anything we can do to help?
... Now if you'll excuse me, this week took a lot of blood, sweat, & tears out of me. My pizza got here 3/4 through this read list, so it's time to replace those fluids with Domino's Garlic Sauce.
5/30
[07/30]
Blargonaut is asking everyone alive to sacrifice one (1) post each, asking him the most pertinent question they have on their respective minds.
Thank you all.
If you had the same power as Fran, who would you kill?
Why is she getting a large defense? Because her behavior reads town to me. Simple.
Does this apply to me as well?
TOWN
Blarg?
Chuggs
CeeCee
Fantomas
Rac
Pirate Bae
Ketkat
Turmoil
SCUM
7/30. Feel like I'm not going to hit the limit here.
Sorry guys, my phone died and it's been a super busy day. I promise to catch up tomorrow. I read your q sawneeks and the answer is no, I actually flipped my read earlier than that, I'll elaborate tomorrow.
[10/30]
I will await until I have all Questions before answering them, for your viewing pleasureMan, really happy I didn't ask about a hypothetical Noid-themed Mafia ga-
Blarg, NO!
Are you leaning scum on Cabot purely because of your Fanto read? Also, generally speaking it's not the strongest tactic to base reads off of "I agree with this player's reads but don't agree with this player's reads." Generally speaking though I kind of town read the list a little for using such logic because it feels townie to be so absorbed in your own personal perspective.
What about Ketkat's behavior reads distinctly town compared to rac who you seem to be leaning scum on? They're both doing very little to scum hunt. What exactly is it you look for in a town read?
Was the Blarg and rac flip here meaningful? As in - did Blarg's recent posts bump him up in the order?
What are your updated thoughts on CeeCee and Brazil after you linked them together yesterday and pushed for Brazil to kill CeeCee?
1. Yeah, I don't really like doing that either, but I honestly don't have that much to go off right now. I like having votes and some scum flips and I don't have either of those right now. I do want to be noted that a lot of players that I listed as town have reads that I don't really agree with either. They just feel the most town to me.
2. Oh, my first list isn't actually in any order. It's just a glob of null reads or town reads. I wouldn't say one is more likely then the other.
[11/30]
Better now. I needed some time to think outside of the cube and I think I've got great ideas. Also, thanks
Role-claim, thanks
I just noticed that in the first list you had rac as lean town and Blarg as null, then flipped the order for the second list with Blarg being closer to town than rac.
Oh, I think I just goofed on the order of Blarg and rac in my second list. rac is probably closer to null then the rest of my lean towns. They're both people who I would rather not kill though.
<3
As far as what you mentioned about people not commenting on Fran's list. I read it, didn't see anything interesting. It's been the same for most people's lists and I'm just treating Fran like normal because unlike yesterday, Fran doesn't actually need to decide the course of action. The worst that can happen is scum wastes a kill on him if he's town and I say waste because an override is whatever this early in the game and there's still worry that he could be scum. There's no real rush for him to use it since if it ever comes to the point where we suspect him, he has to prove the power before we vote him anyway. (For the record, I prefer him to just use it today because there is a bigger argument that waiting is just hedging his bet to protect himself or a possible scummate on later days but the point is, he doesn't HAVE to).
Also didn't want to quote two people for the same thing but <3 you too Zubz
Why tell us the reasoning is different without just telling us the evolved reasoning?
In total I think the entire role has posted less than the 10 post minimum for a day phase and that includes the two you've done today.
Meh, these exercises feel lazy but sure. For the purposes of your exercise, I assume you put neutral and scum into the same category, I don't which is why CeeCee is low on this but I have no interest in lynching.
Town - Chuggs, rac, Blarg, Pirate Bae, Fantomas, Turmoil, CeeCee, KetKat - Scum
To comment on people in there I haven't too much yet. Pirate Bae has always been someone I have trouble reading just because I naturally disagree with a lot of her reads but I'm not seeing anything terribly suspicious even if my interactions are mostly disagreement.
Turmoil fell on my radar after his weird exchange with Flux first thing today. The thing about it is I don't see why scummates would fake the interaction though so while I'm now scum reading both of them, I don't think they can both be scum so one flipping scum would boost the other one a lot. I wanted to say Blarg self-voting on this day in particular felt odd but he's clearly assuming you are overriding today so he knows it doesn't matter.
Quoted for the lol