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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
- Start date
so your flux read didn't really change but you spent a whole day and didn't mention him at all
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
fandorin (5 votes)
sawneeks - #2,964
thechuggernaut - #3,097
malus - #3,527
sorian - #3,546
dr. monkey - #3,560
malus (5 votes)
brazil - #3,017
natiko - #3,335
fireblend - #3,553
fandorin - #3,590
rac - #3,591
faddy (4 votes)
fantomas - #2,985
fluxwavez - #2,996
ceecee - #3,163
blargonaut - #3,494
brazil (2 votes)
faddy - #3,289
fran - #3,555
ceecee (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #2,961
(0 votes)
fireblend - #3,550 #3,553
ezekelrage (0 votes)
blargonaut - #3,152 #3,494
zubz (0 votes)
blargonaut - #3,105 #3,152
pirate bae (0 votes)
dr. monkey - #3,142 #3,209
lone_prodigy (0 votes)
dr. monkey - #3,114 #3,142
dr. monkey - #3,209 #3,560
Post Counts:
fantomas: 65 blargonaut: 65 fran: 58 dr. monkey: 53 sorian: 48 fluxwavez: 39 brazil: 38 ezekelrage: 35 sawneeks: 33 faddy: 26 fandorin: 24 natiko: 23 rac: 22 kyanrute: 20 thechuggernaut: 19 malus: 15 ceecee: 13 ketkat: 11 absolutbro: 11 grizzly: 10 fireblend: 8 pirate bae: 6 lone_prodigy: 5
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Day Start
fandorin (5 votes)
sawneeks - #2,964
thechuggernaut - #3,097
malus - #3,527
sorian - #3,546
dr. monkey - #3,560
malus (5 votes)
brazil - #3,017
natiko - #3,335
fireblend - #3,553
fandorin - #3,590
rac - #3,591
faddy (4 votes)
fantomas - #2,985
fluxwavez - #2,996
ceecee - #3,163
blargonaut - #3,494
brazil (2 votes)
faddy - #3,289
fran - #3,555
ceecee (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #2,961
(0 votes)
ezekelrage (0 votes)
zubz (0 votes)
pirate bae (0 votes)
lone_prodigy (0 votes)
Post Counts:
fantomas: 65 blargonaut: 65 fran: 58 dr. monkey: 53 sorian: 48 fluxwavez: 39 brazil: 38 ezekelrage: 35 sawneeks: 33 faddy: 26 fandorin: 24 natiko: 23 rac: 22 kyanrute: 20 thechuggernaut: 19 malus: 15 ceecee: 13 ketkat: 11 absolutbro: 11 grizzly: 10 fireblend: 8 pirate bae: 6 lone_prodigy: 5
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Like how he's still trying to draw comparisons to other games we've played each other. He just brought up in our boat how I'd "let him to fend for himself" when he was under scrutiny as town in KH Mafia (I was scum in that game), and how he thought I was acting similarly here. Instead of simply trying to pocket me, he's still reluctant to trust me fully, even now. That's a huge towntell.
I don't doubt your reasoning, and I'm not even entertaining the idea that everyone who was kind of just going along with the Fandorin train is scum. Fantomas is another example of player who hasn't questioned him or engaged with his explanations and is still firmly scumreading him - and Fantomas is town.
We can look through the rest of the people who behaved this way (Chugger just dropped a vote on Fand there, as another example) later, but my point is that, regardless of alignment, the people that are scumreading him without really giving him room to convince them otherwise hit Fand in a way that seems to have deflated him in a very genuine way. He's giving me the aura of someone who feels he's being unfairly treated.
Let him fend for himself? = let him get out the lynch on his own?
Off the top of my head I also remember the "Flux isn't confirmed" talk which obviously wouldn't amount to anything, though that could be attributed to the other players on the conversation as well.
I know you're not asking me, but at this point I am thinking I would lean towards Faddy. His reads today do not fill me with confidence about where he is coming from, and he has not really been pushing on any of them.
Don't you already have your vote on Faddy?
And noone seems to be interested in my Brazil lynch besides Faddy (who I don't trust) so let's change it:
Vote: Faddy
Triple tie. Time to see more votes in here.
But that's not true at all in regards to KH.You were his main defender til the end. You even brought up how irl issues were a factor in some of Fando's responses and how you felt he was town.
Fando sorta just was w/e about the lynch it seemed and was cool with letting it play out. Probably because he could override it or w/e to prove he was town. But as scum you didn't know that.
I only remember it because that is why I was so hesitant to lynch you over muffin the following day. I didn't think a scum you would step out on such a limb to bring up irl issues to defend Fando. I was wrong.
Yeah, but I was liking the Fandorin lynch too and was ok with changing my vote there. I just wanted to get the pressure going on Faddy early.
Honestly idk
Yea, that was Sorian. I actually tried to dead that convo. I also tried to dead the modifier talk as well. Because it was noise for scum to hide behind.
Which is why I found it odd you said I was creating noise when I would argue it's been the opposite.
So you really have nothing to back up that I was creating noise?
EzekelRAGE :
I'm thinking the same as you. I want to lynch Faddy today but wouldn't mind a Fando lynch.
I'm thinking the same as you. I want to lynch Faddy today but wouldn't mind a Fando lynch.
I obviously won't link to any posts from that game, but you should go back and see how that phase played out. I didn't defend him throughout the day at all. I ended up voting for Muffin to distance myself from the lynch that was sure to happen, but despite saying that I townread Fand early on, I still threw a lot of concern troll-ish posts at him all the way to the end, and didn't really intervene at all in the accusations against him. I just let it happen, and wrote something in scum chat saying how bad I felt about it.
Well, those interactions are what come into mind when thinking about you, that's why I considered noise. Have you posted a reads list? Because I don't know what is on your mind right now, other than your stance on CeeCee.
Yeah, I'd kind of like to see your thoughts on Faddy, Fando, and Malus here Zeke, since they are the hot topics here today.
Been busy with school this whole week which is why I've been kind of absent. My reasons for voting Fandorin are pretty close to Neeks and I didn't really want to just repeat what she said. I haven't really done much because three of my scum reads are up for lynch today, I guess I could push for Kyan, but I would be competing with 3 of my other reads so why would I do that?
There is something I did notice though. Malus/Faddy/Fandorin all seemed pretty hesitant to scum read each other today which I took note of. Faddy mentioned one of them in a post, but he didn't seem to lean hard into it at all, and Malus and Fandorin didn't seem to want to scum read each other till a couple of hours ago where it seemed obvious that one of them was getting lynched. I'm not going back to look right now, but I remember either Malus or Fandorin (Both?) coming into the day phase saying they were lost, and I just don't really know how your takeaway from that Turmoil lynch is that you aren't sure about the game anymore. The votes on each other today just feel like they're trying to get some early bussing in and I don't buy it.
There is something I did notice though. Malus/Faddy/Fandorin all seemed pretty hesitant to scum read each other today which I took note of. Faddy mentioned one of them in a post, but he didn't seem to lean hard into it at all, and Malus and Fandorin didn't seem to want to scum read each other till a couple of hours ago where it seemed obvious that one of them was getting lynched. I'm not going back to look right now, but I remember either Malus or Fandorin (Both?) coming into the day phase saying they were lost, and I just don't really know how your takeaway from that Turmoil lynch is that you aren't sure about the game anymore. The votes on each other today just feel like they're trying to get some early bussing in and I don't buy it.
Faddy could be a (somewhat?) self-conscious scum. He drops his vote on Flux after Fran posted his top three and Flux was not on that list. Faddy, in his post, is also seemingly sarcastic about the vote not mattering since Fran was the law. It is a willing choice to toss the vote away instead of voting in the semi-thunderdome there. Tiny minus there. Next post urges Fran again. Does this continue as a blame Fran type of a play? Hard to tell if genuine or not since Fran did what he did.
The vote on Flux, huh. Was there actually a backup plan here. I didn't agree with AB on this cuz it was a dumb plan and on the other hand AB writing that felt like he actually knew that that was what happened. turmoil certainly did plan something with is D2 start posts but if there was a plan, the rest wasn't as coordinated I feel, simply because it was a dumb fucking plan. At best scummies planned for ill-defined outcomes more or less individually and this monstrosity was born from that.
Commuter check post was bizarre. You can narrow a lot from "no result" or whatever but Faddy wasn't as concerned about the fact that PR != scum.
#2901 "Flux, turmoil and Bae were all in danger of being lynched today." This list weirdly combines pre- and post-Franjuke states. Flux wasn't a serious thing before the juke and Bae wasn't a thing after her claim or at least people weren't thinking about killing her after the green claim.
I don't mind this unless D3 read changes my view.
The vote on Flux, huh. Was there actually a backup plan here. I didn't agree with AB on this cuz it was a dumb plan and on the other hand AB writing that felt like he actually knew that that was what happened. turmoil certainly did plan something with is D2 start posts but if there was a plan, the rest wasn't as coordinated I feel, simply because it was a dumb fucking plan. At best scummies planned for ill-defined outcomes more or less individually and this monstrosity was born from that.
Commuter check post was bizarre. You can narrow a lot from "no result" or whatever but Faddy wasn't as concerned about the fact that PR != scum.
#2901 "Flux, turmoil and Bae were all in danger of being lynched today." This list weirdly combines pre- and post-Franjuke states. Flux wasn't a serious thing before the juke and Bae wasn't a thing after her claim or at least people weren't thinking about killing her after the green claim.
I don't mind this unless D3 read changes my view.
I made this note as well, and I got the exact same feeling.
Me and you are a lot alike Chugg lol.
Sorry I've been sick and haven't been paying much attention to the thread.
Uhhh out of three id prefer it in this order: Malus, Faddy, Fandorin
Really I'm okay with any of them. None of them have given me confidence out of what I've seen.
Uhhh out of three id prefer it in this order: Malus, Faddy, Fandorin
Really I'm okay with any of them. None of them have given me confidence out of what I've seen.
My line of thinking on that is turmoil's claim. He seemed certain that he had information on Flux, and that he could use that in the future. His claim itself was clearly a lie, but I could see scum knowing that Flux did something, which is why he was willing to say "He's not ordinary" because well, he's not. It's still speculation until we see a flip of course.
A tracker also wouldn't get results from a commuter.
So, who do you want to vote and what do you think about the leading wagons?
Majority is still a lot, right?
vote: Faddy
Brazil defending Fandorin but not the other way around is very interesting. Let me get caught up here. I'm not convinced of anything. I may well go back to Fandorin. But I'm also curious about a few things.
vote: Faddy
Brazil defending Fandorin but not the other way around is very interesting. Let me get caught up here. I'm not convinced of anything. I may well go back to Fandorin. But I'm also curious about a few things.
My impression just now was that when you wrote the post supporting turmoil, you were, I assumed, talking about getting a read off a "no result" result that turmoil would've presumably gotten. That, obviously, was faulty logic on its own for various reasons but at least it was better than how this reads. This is a even greater technicality, at least n-levels of abstraction deeper. And it does not address the concerns.
Next post, why do you want an odd night commuter dead? My head narrative here makes no sense. Instead of telling to Fantomas that Flux's horrible manner of presenting himself was scummy about him, it was the claim that was scummy? Hmm.
Catching up now. These are just posts about yourself.
Yes you could grow as a player but my point was that by voting in the opening post it is you trying to show Classic Zeke.
I see more people bringing up my point on Flux being defensive on his claim. Like this
Of course Flux could have been scum. Sorian pointed it out at the time but if Flux was vanilla he just immediately claims it and we definitely have 1 scum. Flux was not telling the truth. The fact he tried to claim PR and discredit Turmoil with the commuter claim was a red light for me. I never believe those convenient PR claims.
Oh, I just looked up what a Commuter is. I was thinking it was a Bus Driver by a different name. Yeah, no, just ignore me on that part! Sorry for the confusion!
Between the current leads, I'm most suspicious of Faddy, and I want to hear more from him about some of his justifications, like his suspicion on Sawneeks.
They're all pretty weird though. I think my current order would be Faddy > Malus > Fandorin with Faddy and Malus being pretty close together. I'd be okay with either of those two as a lynch today.
I don't like either of the trains against me but it doesn't look like people want to lynch Brazil today
Vote: Malus
More chance of him being scum than Fandorin who I still think has been pretty townie. Brazil voting there gives me some hesitation but it isn't like he has a slam dunk case on malus. Maybe he has been caught in an early vote.
Vote: Malus
More chance of him being scum than Fandorin who I still think has been pretty townie. Brazil voting there gives me some hesitation but it isn't like he has a slam dunk case on malus. Maybe he has been caught in an early vote.
Did a bit of a skim catch-up - work is busy all, sorry.
You're not filling me with warm and fuzzy thoughts Saw.
You've not yet presented a single argument to convince me otherwise. You're not even doing a good job with your tunnel this game lol
Brazil got pretty heated in KH as scum, so I don't know if this meta read is infallible.
Still not buying it, especially when all it would've taken was a refresh to see. It's not like we were THAT close to day end.
You keep using KH as a point of reference - one in which he was town but you were scum which seems like an odd comparison. What about Marvel when the opposite was true?
Who on the malus vote do you think is scum trying to protect their teammates?
The only justification I need for the Sawneeks read is that I don't think she has been very townie. Like what has she contributed to the game that makes you think se is someone you can trust?
Sorian had a whole choir behind him there. Yet it is not obvious from your posts at the time that you too were concerned about this. The concern about turmoil's claim is missing too, you rather hand-wave it away by saying that no claims should be trusted at that point.
I was giving Turmoil's claim some credit because it appeared to me that he was correct on Flux not being vanilla town and FLux's bad reaction.
You wanted Flux to be the lynch as well. Surely you can see my point of view since you came to the same conclusion?
I might have skimmed over that part trying to catch up quickly! To be fair, Commuter and Bus Driver are pretty similar names for real life jobs!
Well, specifically, you called out her read on Fandorin, and how you didn't feel it was genuine. Why do you feel that way about that read/vote in particular?
I mean it is what it is. But she didn't exactly make a convincing case when she voted and I think the Turmoil/Fandorin connection is dubious at best.
So your theory is that Sawneeks voted because of yours and Monkey's vote?
What about Marvel? How is that relevant to this conversation? How is Fandorin comparing this game to a game in which I was scum "an odd comparison" when he's trying to figure out if I'm scum in this game?
Natiko, you're drawing some really weird lines in the sand today. You're usually more on-point than this.
I see your POV and disagree with it. Well, in the best case your POV makes sense, the problem is that your posts do not make me feel that the best case happened here. I feel that you gave too much credit to turmoil and did not show enough concern about the manner in which Flux conducted himself in. This leads me to feel an unpleasant disconnect here: the explanations do not match with the actions.
I was plenty concerned about Flux. Particularly the way his posts were obvious lies and pointless grandstanding.