Sawneeks called it a lock. As in people who I would definitely want to kill today. As in compared to Rac who would require a bit more thought.
He isn't lock scum, that is dumb, I am not saying that.
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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
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Sawneeks called it a lock. As in people who I would definitely want to kill today. As in compared to Rac who would require a bit more thought.
He isn't lock scum, that is dumb, I am not saying that.
Not for a guy that is known for tunnels. Sitting back and thinking about things is not your brand.
I believe you wanted to open up with a vote because it was what you think people expect.
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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start
faddy (3 votes)
fantomas - #2,985
fluxwavez - #2,996
ceecee - #3,163
fandorin (2 votes)
sawneeks - #2,964
thechuggernaut - #3,097
malus (2 votes)
brazil - #3,017
natiko - #3,335
ezekelrage (1 votes)
blargonaut - #3,152
brazil (1 votes)
faddy - #3,289
ceecee (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #2,961
lone_prodigy (1 votes)
dr. monkey - #3,114 #3,142
dr. monkey - #3,209
zubz (0 votes)
blargonaut - #3,105 #3,152
pirate bae (0 votes)
dr. monkey - #3,142 #3,209
Post Counts:
fantomas: 55 fran: 46 dr. monkey: 44 sorian: 39 blargonaut: 35 fluxwavez: 35 brazil: 26 faddy: 24 sawneeks: 24 ezekelrage: 23 kyanrute: 20 natiko: 20 fandorin: 19 thechuggernaut: 17 rac: 15 ceecee: 13 absolutbro: 10 grizzly: 8 ketkat: 8 pirate bae: 5 lone_prodigy: 4 malus: 4 fireblend: 3
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Day Start
faddy (3 votes)
fantomas - #2,985
fluxwavez - #2,996
ceecee - #3,163
fandorin (2 votes)
sawneeks - #2,964
thechuggernaut - #3,097
malus (2 votes)
brazil - #3,017
natiko - #3,335
ezekelrage (1 votes)
blargonaut - #3,152
brazil (1 votes)
faddy - #3,289
ceecee (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #2,961
lone_prodigy (1 votes)
dr. monkey - #3,209
zubz (0 votes)
pirate bae (0 votes)
Post Counts:
fantomas: 55 fran: 46 dr. monkey: 44 sorian: 39 blargonaut: 35 fluxwavez: 35 brazil: 26 faddy: 24 sawneeks: 24 ezekelrage: 23 kyanrute: 20 natiko: 20 fandorin: 19 thechuggernaut: 17 rac: 15 ceecee: 13 absolutbro: 10 grizzly: 8 ketkat: 8 pirate bae: 5 lone_prodigy: 4 malus: 4 fireblend: 3
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The machinegun line was a joke.
That question by Saw actually seemed pertinent to me, even though the possible fake answer had already been posted in the thread (the alleged Flux D1 PR breadcrumb.)
#2835 is pretty much it. turmoil had made that post way before he was in any position that required a fake claim. That was in stark contrast with Flux, who was still hesitant to reveal info about himself even after turmoil's claim.
You liked these posts? And they felt "partnery"?
Just got to my hotel and am close to collapsing due to exhaustion. I haven't caught up yet but my instincts this morning were telling me to go for Malus after I read some arguments against them from early in this day phase. I'll do my best to catch up tomorrow but if I can't that's probably where my vote will go.
Side note, this week is going to be terrible for me, I'm busy everyday from 9 to 5 so I seriously apologize for the lessened activity. You guys (and bear) deserve better.
Side note, this week is going to be terrible for me, I'm busy everyday from 9 to 5 so I seriously apologize for the lessened activity. You guys (and bear) deserve better.
Ok, I knew your reasoning was weak LOL.
Can I not grow as a player?
*insert gif of stitch looking sad and alien ears lowering*
lol
As long as I give my reasoning for what I do, idc what ppl think. Doing that I feel justified in anything I do.
yesterday you said i had some of the fakest posts in the thread
I'm home and will go back through some posts today. Final catch up.
Why am I, as a townie, expected to explain what turmoil said and did at D1? I know he was making fake content on me at the beginning trying to pocket me, and settled into voting for me since I didn't suspect him that phase, but how can this be proven without getting into "WIFOM territory"?
He town read me at D1 and pushed for me as the leader until he got called out on his conflicting post about the "Fandorin train deflating" on #1059. After that, he mentions my name in a single other post as a way to link to a previous vote and THAT WAS IT. Not a single mention of me during the entire D2. He didn't entertain my posts or acknowledged my thoughts during that phase. But uh, what does that have to do with me? What exactly are the red flags you're seeing here?
You mentioned he was "weirdly town reading me for no reason", but that's not exactly it. He said he was hard town reading me on D1, when a bunch of other players at least leaned town on me. No reason to suspect that.
That lasted until he got called out on the weird post. Come D2 I posted a lot less and ended up not getting attention in the thread, so it didn't bother me when he didn't follow it up, considering most of the thread didn't and he made no actual reads list as well. I guess I could've have prodded him somewhere down the day, but most of the discussion surrounding him on D2 was about the breadcrumbs post and, like I said in my reads lists, that didn't get my attention since I had seen him do that a lot as town in past games.
Why am I, as a townie, expected to explain what turmoil said and did at D1? I know he was making fake content on me at the beginning trying to pocket me, and settled into voting for me since I didn't suspect him that phase, but how can this be proven without getting into "WIFOM territory"?
He town read me at D1 and pushed for me as the leader until he got called out on his conflicting post about the "Fandorin train deflating" on #1059. After that, he mentions my name in a single other post as a way to link to a previous vote and THAT WAS IT. Not a single mention of me during the entire D2. He didn't entertain my posts or acknowledged my thoughts during that phase. But uh, what does that have to do with me? What exactly are the red flags you're seeing here?
You mentioned he was "weirdly town reading me for no reason", but that's not exactly it. He said he was hard town reading me on D1, when a bunch of other players at least leaned town on me. No reason to suspect that.
That lasted until he got called out on the weird post. Come D2 I posted a lot less and ended up not getting attention in the thread, so it didn't bother me when he didn't follow it up, considering most of the thread didn't and he made no actual reads list as well. I guess I could've have prodded him somewhere down the day, but most of the discussion surrounding him on D2 was about the breadcrumbs post and, like I said in my reads lists, that didn't get my attention since I had seen him do that a lot as town in past games.
That was exactly my point in the original post, yeah.
Considering cabot was the one killed this was expected. Scum role blocked or whatever and prevented another check and went for a sorta odd kill to avoid protection with the NK on cabot.
Mostly the lines about the limited shot power + the way the current PRs seems to be. I'm not focusing on the [REDACTED] (though it is tempting) because it could literally be anything.
So if you dislike rac because his potential partnery stance with Brazil and you want Kyan gone because of his insistence on killing Flux then why isn't Brazil in your list there?
:'(
you'll get some pizza when you correctly find the scum team, not before.
No worries, Febe!
Going to bed, but when have I ever played in a way as to do "what ppl expect"? Why would I expect ppl to want an early vote from a replacement player?
..........god dammn it
i'm not usually this bad, I swear.
Fandorin I see your reply and I'll get to it, I just want to step away and see if i can get my thoughts working again. :/
Because my list was in response to Fantomas asking outside of Brazil (who I am voting for) who else I would like to lynch.
Faddy can you do me a favour, can you unvote against Brazil for just a second. I can hold your vote for you if you want.
Right, quick little thoughts here on the people currently in contention.
Brazil - His entire thing at the end of Day 2 where he's vehemently aiming to get people to vote for Flux was very strange. However, it's so strange and in your face, that on its own, I have a hard time believing that scum would aim for something like that. One of the points of contention that Faddy is trying to point out about Brazil is the kill on Terraforce. While that was definitely a mistake, it wasn't a decision that was made on his own, and there were issues on Terra's end as well where he didn't claim until Brazil was already submitting the kill.
Brazil has referenced a few of his own reads about how he's been on top of turmoil the entire game. While he could have been bussing turmoil, I'm really leaning towards town more than anything on him right now. And I would really need to see a more convincing argument against him before I consider voting for him today.
Faddy - He's acting pretty weird honestly. I can sort of see where he's coming from with not voting for turmoil there at Day 2, but it does still look a little rough. Faddy Can you explain to me your read on Sawneeks a little better? You bring it up here in this post but I don't understand exactly where your issues are. What about her vote on Fandorin doesn't feel justified to you?
Brazil - His entire thing at the end of Day 2 where he's vehemently aiming to get people to vote for Flux was very strange. However, it's so strange and in your face, that on its own, I have a hard time believing that scum would aim for something like that. One of the points of contention that Faddy is trying to point out about Brazil is the kill on Terraforce. While that was definitely a mistake, it wasn't a decision that was made on his own, and there were issues on Terra's end as well where he didn't claim until Brazil was already submitting the kill.
Brazil has referenced a few of his own reads about how he's been on top of turmoil the entire game. While he could have been bussing turmoil, I'm really leaning towards town more than anything on him right now. And I would really need to see a more convincing argument against him before I consider voting for him today.
Faddy - He's acting pretty weird honestly. I can sort of see where he's coming from with not voting for turmoil there at Day 2, but it does still look a little rough. Faddy Can you explain to me your read on Sawneeks a little better? You bring it up here in this post but I don't understand exactly where your issues are. What about her vote on Fandorin doesn't feel justified to you?
Also, I saw it mentioned earlier, but no, I don't think it's really worth speculating that scum know what the modifiers do. Heroes vs Villains is just a wildcard mechanic that could do anything, but most likely will end up in a couple of deaths in some way. It's interesting which is why a lot of us vote for it, but scum are going to aim for ones that they have the most concrete chance of speeding things along for.
Scum likely have a roleblocker, a tracker, a backup, and maybe something else. They might have JOAT or something, but power-wise, those are the ones that I think are safe to keep in mind.
Scum likely have a roleblocker, a tracker, a backup, and maybe something else. They might have JOAT or something, but power-wise, those are the ones that I think are safe to keep in mind.
Catch up time.
Got to head to work so I'll be back later and finish catching up.
How does this influence your thoughts on Chuggs, our claimed BP?
I can follow the reasoning of town reading them both and leaning towards the option that is less harmful to town. It's like if someone claims a red check and they deny it you always lynch the red check sorta thing. Fair enough. I still just have a hard time with the question that you don't wait on a response from followed by the 180 with the vote. In short..
I kinda hate your answer, but I can at least admit the reasoning for most of it makes sense if you come from a town v town perspective - though I would be curious to go back and check if you had turmoil listed as town prior to that or if that itself was also a 180.
At that point I would need to re-evaluate. I personally would rather flip malus today anyways, but your lynch would provide info as far as what alignment perspective your reads came from - you share more than most I would say so I'd probably try and dig into your ISO and look at the reactions around your reads to see if anyone responded oddly or seemed to ignore them.
What was your reasoning for checking Sorian? I don't recall what your stance on him was D1 and D2.
That's a fair point. I was working off of memory and may have misremembered what you were responding to at the time. Just happened to pop into my head as I was responding to Fran.No one cares about the fact that chance put the leadership role into Brazil's hands in terms of the read on him. The issue is that turmoil was on the campaign promise list and then was never followed up on once Brazil was glorious leader. It's a whatever point at the time considering most didn't seem to care about turmoil but it's a bigger deal knowing he's scum.
Yeah, needless to say I don't really agree with a good chunk of Faddy's reads. His read on Saw even is based on different things than mine (and to be fair came much earlier too if I recall).
Do you have additional thoughts on my couple of posts about Saw or did you only want to mention that one bit?
What did you mean by the bolded?
Can confirm, Zeke will do whatever he wants even if it goes against all logic lol
He was 4-3 in the lead.
I will keep posting The princess bride gifs everytime that anyone want to use that WIFOM crap.
Scum can make mistake. We have an example even in this game.
Damn you and your broken quote Saw lol Lets try again
Catch up time.
Catch up time.
This got lost in the shuffle of my other posts earlier and I forgot to respond. I still think Chuggs simply via his actions feels very townie to me at this point. His claim is convenient for scum, but I don't some form of a commuter and a single BP is ridiculous protection in general. If we see much more protection roles pop up then maybe the concern raises back up.
I can follow the reasoning of town reading them both and leaning towards the option that is less harmful to town. It's like if someone claims a red check and they deny it you always lynch the red check sorta thing. Fair enough. I still just have a hard time with the question that you don't wait on a response from followed by the 180 with the vote. In short..
I kinda hate your answer, but I can at least admit the reasoning for most of it makes sense if you come from a town v town perspective - though I would be curious to go back and check if you had turmoil listed as town prior to that or if that itself was also a 180.
At that point I would need to re-evaluate. I personally would rather flip malus today anyways, but your lynch would provide info as far as what alignment perspective your reads came from - you share more than most I would say so I'd probably try and dig into your ISO and look at the reactions around your reads to see if anyone responded oddly or seemed to ignore them.
What was your reasoning for checking Sorian? I don't recall what your stance on him was D1 and D2.
That's a fair point. I was working off of memory and may have misremembered what you were responding to at the time. Just happened to pop into my head as I was responding to Fran.No one cares about the fact that chance put the leadership role into Brazil's hands in terms of the read on him. The issue is that turmoil was on the campaign promise list and then was never followed up on once Brazil was glorious leader. It's a whatever point at the time considering most didn't seem to care about turmoil but it's a bigger deal knowing he's scum.
Yeah, needless to say I don't really agree with a good chunk of Faddy's reads. His read on Saw even is based on different things than mine (and to be fair came much earlier too if I recall).
Do you have additional thoughts on my couple of posts about Saw or did you only want to mention that one bit?
What did you mean by the bolded?
Can confirm, Zeke will do whatever he wants even if it goes against all logic lol[/QUOTE]
He was 4-3 in the lead.
I will keep posting The princess bride gifs everytime that anyone want to use that WIFOM crap.
Scum can make mistake. We have an example even in this game.
Scum can definitely make mistakes, but that's more than just a little mistake! He was yelling at people to lynch someone who was town, which would only make him look bad in the process too. Like, yeah, it could buy scum a day which is always nice, but throwing himself out there like that just feels so different from what I would expect from scum you know!
You don't say
This is what I was feeling without words. I believe in this.
I want to believe that someone else in this community is capable of Bad ideas.
Only Ourob with his Overwatch play and Makai in the Danganronpa came close to sating me but they were eons ago and I wasn't there for either
Give me your event(s)
Proof is in your guts
ShadowSwordMasterFantomas "GENERIC"ZubzEzekelRAGE "OOPS"KawlninLone_Prodigy "EMPTINESS"Giant PandaSawneeks "DIPLOMATIC"SophiaCeeCee "PAIN" - proven 1-shot Override, lawyered Stan D1.5. Claims to be spent.- Brazil "POWERFUL" - ???; succeeded Stan as leader, used the people's Power on Terraforce D1.5.
- Blargonaut "GENEROUS"
- Pirate Bae "STRAIGHTFORWARD" - claimed green check on Ketkat D2 (acted N1?), claims failed/null check on Sorian D3 (acted N2?).
- Fran "HUNTING" - Town Backup -> 1-shot Override; pried it from Stan's cold dead hands, shot turmoil7 D2.
- Sorian "INVOLVED"
- Fireblend "GENERIC"
- FluxWaveZ "CONTROVERSIAL" - claimed ?-shot Commuter D2 in a roundabout way.
- rac "RICH"
- Natiko "TRENCHES"
- malus "PINPOINT"
- Ketkat "GUARDED"
- Fandorin "GENERIC"
- Kyanrute "SHADOWED"
- Dr. Monkey "PATIENT"
- TheChuggernaut "WHAT" - claimed 1-shot Bulletproof D1.5.
- Faddy "FRIENDLY"
- AbsolutBro "MYSTERIOUS"
5 players eliminated.
22 players remaining.
22 players remaining.
What else am I missing, teach me how to pay attention
I didn't decide I was voting Turmoil. While he showed up towards the "scum" side of my list, he wasn't even my number one scum at the time (Fantomas was, my bad). I gave a running commentary on the situation because like an idiot I voted for Fran out of frustration, and then couldn't move my vote because of the Cthulhu modifier. I did vote for Fran knowing there were enough votes for him to be vote leader, but I didn't really push for it like I probably should have. In the end, he used the Override to lynch the person that was going to die anyway when had he wanted to he could have lynched anyone. Was it a good thing? Well it proved he had the power he said he did, so there's that. It also means we're spending today discussing who to actually vote to lynch for the first time, instead of having lynched Turmoil yesterday and spend today wondering if an Override is coming. It also meant that with Pirate Bae outing herself, any protective role we might have would not have to worry about saving Fran; his power is done.
I went back there and only saw cabot. You can't protect EZubzRAGE forever
- F is what's fashionable
- Faddy did something suspicious that I never noticed
- Fantomas is a topic for some reason
- Fandorin is a blur to me
- Fireblend is my new Best Friend
- Can we please kill off these F players ASAP. Every single one
scum, if you were interesting you'd have a gimmick like killing down the player list in rising numerical order but randomly skipping a player to throw your pattern off
Fandorin, Faddy, and Malus are all catching heat in some way or another from various Town players, either me/Flux/Fran, or others reading generally Towny to the room. I personally don't feel great about any of them, as they are all in my Scum Suspect list from the start of the day, and not much has improved any of their standings.
I'm fine with my vote on Faddy right now personally.
... No, he wasn't. It was his first post in the entire phase.
I generally disagree with your read of how her D2 end went mainly because of that one post. Just like absolutbro, Saw asking a question like that gave me the impression that she was trying to solve things. I'd argue that the lead-up to her vote felt way more natural than yours or Monkey's.
I plan on looking over the Fireblend thing later. I have only glanced through your argument and her answers.
This is the first time you've mentioned malus in this game, partner.
What's up with that vote?
Huh, I'm not sure why that one question leads you to that conclusion though when afterwards she still pushes Flux and only backs down after reiterating a question from AB that she doesn't actually wait for a response to. What else about her progression felt natural to you? What about mine or Monkey's did not?
Discounting Fran and Flux I'll guarantee you there's at least 1 more scum between the Fant4stic (Fireblend, Fantomas, Fandorin, Faddy). That's a 25% maths over the next 4 Days, there are plenty of players left so you know this game will last long beyond the 4 Days we take to kill 1 guaranteed scum out of what, 3 remaining after we do this? No one has any real reads anyway. We should just be methodical.
Ok, nevermind that. I was under the impression that she had been the first out of you three to vote for turmoil, but the fact that she voted after you two had basically decided the outcome of things regardless of Fran does make your point about her not waiting for the answer resonate a bit.
Hmmm
