Hm. Gonna wrap up some thoughts the best I can. Been having trouble focusing today so apologies.
Claims so far we've had:
Fantomas - Mason
Fran - Town Backup, inherited Stan's Override, used it to kill Turmoil.
Pirate Bae - Cop claim with green check on Ketkat.
FluxWaveZ - X-Shot Commuter.
CeeCee - 1-Shot DayVig (Shot Stan)
TheChuggernaut - 1-Shot Bulletproof
- No one has counterclaimed Fantomas so I believe him
- Fran I believe due to the timing of his claim and seeing that a Scum Back-up existed so I highly doubt Scum had 2 Back-ups
- Bae I echo that I would like to know what she did last Night but no one counterclaimed her check so I believe her as well. (so by extension I also trust Ket)
- Flux I believe due to Turmoil's Scum flip. Doubt that was a Scum 1 v 1
- CeeCee I GUESS is Town. Or he's Neutral. Still dislike the shot and how he keeps slowly parsing out information. :/
- Chuggs is the only claim i'm hesitant on and I'm going to expand on that.
Chuggs and I have been using our chat a bit here and there. I'm extremely hesitant to use it too much as the last time I used a potential mixed-alignment chat it ended up very, very badly for me (
Kyanrute >.> ) and I told Chuggs this. Still, despite this I've....been kinda won over by him. My question to Kyan about his lack of vote was actually born from talking to Chuggs and it was him pointing that out that drew my attention to it. We've also been discussing the Modifiers and the information suggested in Turmoil's role which Chuggs brings up to Flux here:
You sure? The wording of Turmoils PM kind of implies we might.
Of course, he later back away from it but it suggests to me that he was thinking about it and our discussion. Scum knows what they actually have and therefore have no reason to speculate, especially unprompted from an entirely separate discussion not in this thread. To me that says he was still working it out in his head, something I don't see Scum doing.
Ah, I see what you mean. I just misread the PM. Yeah, you might be right then.
However, taking all claims so far at face value leaves Chuggs (and by extension Flux as well, but Flux's circumstances I see as Townie moreso than not) as the odd man out. Fanto referenced that cabot felt we had a strong Town in terms of PR and I frankly agree. We've only seen 1 NK per Night so far and considering what we seem to have as Town that doesn't add up. I would expect much more killing power than what has been shown so far. If Scum ONLY have one NK then...why do we have a 1-shot BP and an x-shot Commuter?
I have a theory that Scum gains powers depending on the Modifier we 'travel' to but I have nothing to back that up other than an apparently Strong Town and weak Scum as well as small hints in Turmoil's Role PM. If this is the case then I see why we have those 2 protection roles. If this is not the case and we continue on without multiple NKs then I would lean more and more to distrusting Chuggs. However, outside of the mechanics speculation from what I have seen of him here and in our chat I frankly think he is more likely to be Town.
Outside of that I agree with the points made regarding Malus. I think his chart the other Day was fairly odd and his choice to go with Pirate Bae over the other, more highly scum read people even weirder as well. Using that chart as reference for his vote removes all choice out of his hands as he went with what other people said and how they ranked everyone. As I mentioned before as well I think him falling into this Phase 'being a little lost' is also very odd if he was Town considering we just flipped Scum in a rather crazy Day End.
Faddy has been a topic of discussion so far too but I wasn't paying too much attention to it. I do think his shifted read of me is odd and is rather weak coming from him, someone I feel always has much better, well thought out reads than what he has shown so far. Do still need to read over the buzz around him today though.
Brazil is another one that has a lot of noise today that I'm not sure I understand or agree with. Like the Faddy arguments I just kinda glossed over much of them and need to actually give them a proper read but my initial gut response is that Fandorin and Brazil can't both be Scum. Why, I don't know - ask my gut. I don't think Brazil's strong push for Flux over Turmoil means he is Scum, it's too obvious (and before you say Fandorin/Turmoil is obvious not everyone even sees it). The little bits I've seen from him today also haven't really rung any alarms either.
Outside of the Scum reads I do feel far more strongly about Sorian, Natiko, and AB being Town. AB for the aforementioned post about Turmoil, Natiko for his work today with various ISOs even if I disagree with his conclusions, and Sorian for his work around Day End yesterday with Flux. I also still feel good about Monkey and Kyaa, though neither of them have done anything recently to shift my opinion of them one way or another.
Aaand I think that's it? Gonna go have lunch and maybe read over Brazil/Faddy.
