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Village

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Oct 25, 2017
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okay? i don't know what kinda defense force this mess was, but dude is a crazy overrated MC and both food & liquor and the cool fall short of being classics, with his work since showing his best days long behind him.

saying foolishness like this in 2k19 just shows him to be a cornball, the logic of his era. this is the champion of people who think j cole is the best out.
I'm not defending the statement

If anything I just threw him under the bus, the idea that lupe fiasco is overrated is uh, I disagree to say the very least
 

Chie Satonaka

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Oct 25, 2017
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Actually had a few tell me that I was more Colorado than most Natives lol. Mostly in the fact that I was spending my weekends climbing mountains, being active, and doing the nature. My assistant would call me "California socialist who's actually fun to talk to" lmao.

That's actually super funny. I hope you didn't take it seriously; it was more riffing on the fact that I've been listening to people whine about California invaders for the last 20 years. :P
 

IrishNinja

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Oct 27, 2017
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Vice City
I'm not defending the statement

If anything I just threw him under the bus, the idea that lupe fiasco is overrated is uh, I disagree to say the very least

that's fair - I'm just talking hip hop opinions, you're obviously welcome to disagree

for me, even in his prime there were nicer MCs is all - phonte, shad etc. phonte basically birthed drake so god knows i wish he was more well known, but that's neither here nor there
 

Biggavell

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Dec 26, 2019
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that's fair - I'm just talking hip hop opinions, you're obviously welcome to disagree

for me, even in his prime there were nicer MCs is all - phonte, shad etc. phonte basically birthed drake so god knows i wish he was more well known, but that's neither here nor there

I'd say Drake is a fusion of Phonte and Ye.
 

Daingurse

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Oct 25, 2017
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I can kinda get what he means. I'm a black American and feel no cultural affinity towards Africa. But just because I love Godzilla, Manga, and Anime, I ain't about to say that I feel culturally Japanese. I just love that shit lol.
don't do anime and weed, kids.

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Bad_Boy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I kind of feel what hes saying. My best friend is from africa and me and him are so culturally different. Im black but living in another country than america. I have more of a cultural and emotional connection to a place not of my own heritage. I do want to visit africa one day though.

Thats lupe though...
"He just sits, and watches the people in the boxes

Everything he sees he absorbs and adopts it

He mimics and mocks it"
 
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Lewpy

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Oct 28, 2017
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Culture is not about skin color but the values you have internalized.
Very much this. I know several people who come from other parts of the world, but consider themselves British because the feel more at home and comfortable with the British way of life than they do their own origins. This also applies to expat Brits.
 

Calvarok

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Oct 26, 2017
3,218
i am going through different stages of emotions at a rapid pace. confusion, bemusement, anger, exhaustion.

theres a lot going on here.

I think my verdict is that none of this actually deserves any attention.

He's talking about how people ignore lessons they could learn from different cultures while implicitly throwing the entirety of the continent of africa under the bus for apparently having nothing of value to learn from.

this seems more reflective of his insecurities about how africa is percieved than anything else.

go to therapy, dude.
 

Mario Bilo

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Jan 7, 2018
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It's really funny that ERA of all places is saying someone can't feel and be what they want to feel and be. Culture is what you like and what you live by not where you were born.
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
17,070
With all due respect, some of you non-Blacks are punching above your weight class. Some of you have a very difficult time issue spotting and should probably read or think more about the discussion before hitting reply.

"What's wrong with being a weeabo?!" oversimplifies the discussion. It's embarrassing.
 

Sanka

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Feb 17, 2019
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My man going full weeb I see. But technically if he actually immersed himself in japanese culture, his statement could still be right.
As a black american he has 0 cultural connections to any current african country apart from his racial background. He is as african as white americans are german. As long as he doesn't claim to be more culturally japanese than american, he has not gone 100% weeb yet.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Even before we get to throwing black people in the U.S under the bus for no goddamn reason this is just that fine embarrassing as fuck weeb shit. Liking a few pieces of media a lot don't mean you understand or can claim another culture.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If he was raised as a traditional martial artist steeped in martial ethics, I get it. It's an interesting upbringing/way of life.
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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So this begs the question... did colonial powers steal from the same source? I am ignorant about the details of the slave trade but isn't the vulnerable population that was sold due to the collapse of an empire after a war?

I know that Haitians (I guess partially?) come from the Fon people of Benin. Is it safe to assume that at the very least, Louisiana Creoles were stolen from the same group?

Slavery in the carribbean was so brutal that women could not menstruate and produce as many offspring so they kept having to traffick many more waves of people each generation. Caribs are fresher out of Africa. Meanwhile Black Americans were more linked generationally to their land and produced more offspring. Ethnic African-Americans on average carry around 25% white dna due to centuries of sexual violence. Does this explain same source, different appearances?

There's too much anti-Black sentiment within my family and it annoys the shit out of me. I got too many relatives that can't think for themselves and partially believe or engage in some anti-Black behaviors... in 2019. I really hate what subjugation did to us mentally. There should be a reverse version of that Black Mirror episode, where you can meet and execute a fully sentient slavemaster AI.
 

Deleted member 6230

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Oct 25, 2017
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The clown is throwing shade at Africa, Black people, and is in love with Japan at a superficial level from what he's posted. If that's how he feels fine. As a Black dude with a platform I think he should stfu about the shade he's throwing. Why can't people just adapt other cultures without the disrespect? He's a rapper and celeb yet can't make friends with an agreeable group of Black people? Lol. Black people have excommunicated him? Lupe nigga grow up.
I think he's pretty bitter about shit. His whole career pretty much he's been clowned as corny by the very people he thought he was making music for. Not at all making excuses for him when I say this
 

Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think he's pretty bitter about shit. His whole career pretty much he's been clowned as corny by the very people he thought he was making music for. Not at all making excuses for him when I say this
Lol yeah I can see that. I don't consider Lupe a sellout at this point in time but the biggest sellout in my family was teased by his peers for being a nerd and that fucked with his Black identity. I have to talk him out of that Candace Owens bullshit the next family gathering lol. I don't know how that feels to be in that position and I empathize. I just feel like no matter what, never put anti-Black shit out there, especially if you're an artist with a platform.
 

krazen

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Oct 27, 2017
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Gentrified Brooklyn
I think he's pretty bitter about shit. His whole career pretty much he's been clowned as corny by the very people he thought he was making music for. Not at all making excuses for him when I say this

Yeah but this has been an issue since the beginning of black artists crossing over. Trying to find a mo better blues youtube clip but i cant, so ill throw the quote here

Bleek: But the jazz, you know if we had to dep... if we had to depend upon black people to eat, we would starve to death. I mean, you've been out there, you're on the bandstand, you look out into the audience, what do you see? You see Japanese, you see, you see West Germans, you see, you know, Slabobic, anything except our people - it makes no sense. It incenses me that our own people don't realize our own heritage, our own culture, this is our music, man.

Shadow: That's bullshit.

Bleek: Why?

Shadow: [slurred] It's all bullshit. Everything, everything you just said is bullshit. Out of all the people in the world, you never gave anybody else, and look, I love you like a step-brother, but you never gave nobody else a chance t- to play their own music, you complain about... That's right, the people don't come because you grandioses don't play shit that they like. If you played the shit that they like, then people would come, simple as that.
 

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So this begs the question... did colonial powers steal from the same source? I am ignorant about the details of the slave trade but isn't the vulnerable population that was sold due to the collapse of an empire after a war?

I know that Haitians (I guess partially?) come from the Fon people of Benin. Is it safe to assume that at the very least, Louisiana Creoles were stolen from the same group?

Slavery in the carribbean was so brutal that women could not menstruate and produce as many offspring so they kept having to traffick many more waves of people each generation. Caribs are fresher out of Africa. Meanwhile Black Americans were more linked generationally to their land and produced more offspring. Ethnic African-Americans on average carry around 25% white dna due to centuries of sexual violence. Does this explain same source, different appearances?

There's too much anti-Black sentiment within my family and it annoys the shit out of me. I got too many relatives that can't think for themselves and partially believe or engage in some anti-Black behaviors... in 2019. I really hate what subjugation did to us mentally. There should be a reverse version of that Black Mirror episode, where you can meet and execute a fully sentient slavemaster AI.

Different regions of the US "imported" enslaved peoples from different parts of Africa, so enslaved people in the US came from multiple ethnic groups from West and Central Africa. Apart from slave masters raping and then having kids with enslaved African women, enslaved families were deliberately broken up and kids were ripped from their parents and sent to different plantations and husbands and wives were broken up and sent to different plantations as well. Over time this lead to plantations having a mix of people from different African ethnic groups. Naturally, they would fall in love, marry in secret, have kids and the cycle would repeat... family would be broken up then all of them would end up on different plantations. It's quite literally the root cause of the stereotype of "the black family being broken".

My family is from Louisiana and I did a DNA test for shits and giggles and still ended up with the basically 25% swath of white DNA and 75% basically all of West and Central Africa DNA.
 

Principate

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Oct 31, 2017
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Lupe may have been involved with someone moving drugs and shit but to claim that this is all a made up persona is absurd. The man was ready to quit rapping to play fighting games professionally because he's a dork. Dude consistently does cornball shit. Ain't no act. This is who he is deep down.
The dude is clearly both one doesn't exclude you from the other.
 

Jahranimo

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Oct 25, 2017
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We been known this so it's not a surprise.

But is it okay? Nah not necessarily. Lupe never should've said it on social media and kept it in 2007 haha.
 
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Powdered Egg

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Oct 27, 2017
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Different regions of the US "imported" enslaved peoples from different parts of Africa, so enslaved people in the US came from multiple ethnic groups from West and Central Africa. Apart from slave masters raping and then having kids with enslaved African women, enslaved families were deliberately broken up and kids were ripped from their parents and sent to different plantations and husbands and wives were broken up and sent to different plantations as well. Over time this lead to plantations having a mix of people from different African ethnic groups. Naturally, they would fall in love, marry in secret, have kids and the cycle would repeat... family would be broken up then all of them would end up on different plantations. It's quite literally the root cause of the stereotype of "the black family being broken".

My family is from Louisiana and I did a DNA test for shits and giggles and still ended up with the basically 25% swath of white DNA and 75% basically all of West and Central Africa DNA.
So African Americans are very mixed even within African ethnicities. That makes sense.
 

Mario Bilo

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User Banned (1 month): Inflammatory false equivalence regarding gender identity and sexuality
We regularly get threads about people determining their gender and sexual orientation and people are supportive. I just don't understand why they would react differently to someone admitting to adopting a culture from another place.
 

krazen

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Oct 27, 2017
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We regularly get threads about people determining their gender and sexual orientation and people are supportive. I just don't understand why they would react differently to someone admitting to adopting a culture from another place.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. We comparing this bullshit to race/gender Rachel Dozenal style into 2020? There is still time to edit. Even Childish Gambino beat this dead horse to the ground a couple of years ago...

 

Xiaomi

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Oct 25, 2017
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We regularly get threads about people determining their gender and sexual orientation and people are supportive. I just don't understand why they would react differently to someone admitting to adopting a culture from another place.

You shouldn't identify as a nationality if you haven't been living in that nation or among that nation's people for an appreciable amount of time. It's not like gender where there is a sense of dysphoria/euphoria inherent in its expression; the dude's life is not in jeopardy when people call him an American.

I live in Taiwan. I've been here for a long time, speak one of the languages, assimilated into the local customs and traditions. I'm not Taiwanese yet, though, because I haven't been here long enough to really have that culture supercede my American upbringing. All of my mannerisms and cultural touchstones are still American. And I'm damn sure not going to go around saying "I'm Taiwanese!" and wearing traditional clothes just because I like bubble tea and Din Tai Fung. People would rightfully think that I was lame as hell.

That doesn't mean he CAN'T do it, but it does mean people can call him out for that shit if it doesn't wash.
 

Mario Bilo

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You shouldn't identify as a nationality if you haven't been living in that nation or among that nation's people for an appreciable amount of time. It's not like gender where there is a sense of dysphoria/euphoria inherent in its expression; the dude's life is not in jeopardy when people call him an American.

I live in Taiwan. I've been here for a long time, speak one of the languages, assimilated into the local customs and traditions. I'm not Taiwanese yet, though, because I haven't been here long enough to really have that culture supercede my American upbringing. All of my mannerisms and cultural touchstones are still American. And I'm damn sure not going to go around saying "I'm Taiwanese!" and wearing traditional clothes just because I like bubble tea and Din Tai Fung. People would rightfully think that I was lame as hell.

That doesn't mean he CAN'T do it, but it does mean people can call him out for that shit if it doesn't wash.
I mean you said it yourself. You're not letting the Taiwanese culture supercede your American upbringing. But if you wanted to, you totally could. If you're in Taiwan and love it there so much so that you want to discard the way you behaved or the culture you had in the US you totally can though. Like just because you're a white dude doesn't mean you can't act like a Taiwanese local man if you chose to. It's about what makes you feel comfortable not what you were born with.
 

NoName999

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Oct 29, 2017
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Let me guess, he's still bitter that one too many black girls didn't go out with him because he wasn't "hood enough" when he was a teenager.

Or his "connection" to Japan is just what he sees on TV. We all know how well Africa is represented in the media. :/
 

Deleted member 15440

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Oct 27, 2017
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i could see someone absorbing american pop culture and deciding they belonged here culturally because that and fast food are basically all we have, but do people not realize that japan is more than samurai movies and anime?
 

Yasuke

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm black American and I wouldn't say I'm "culturally African". If Lupe feels connected to Japan I don't see issue with his statement.

Guy feels connected to Japanese culture. This place? Makes fun of the guy, because ridicule is so much easier than actual empathy. I mean I get it, I think Japanese culture is rich and layered beyond the anime layer that many refer to and I'm all for it especially if the interest is done with respect.

You don't see issue with telling black folk you know a white person that's blacker than they are? You don't see any issues with his self-hating rhetoric about being institutionally impeded by more black folk than white folk, which would require Stinkmeaner levels of blindness to the omnipotence of white supremacy?

Word?