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Jan 27, 2020
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Hi Everyone, I just finished the first Xenosaga game. Xenogears was one of my favorite games ever, but when Xenosaga came out, I was broke in college and didn't have a PS2. When Harada seemed to end all hope of us ever getting a Xenosaga remaster, I decided it was finally time to bite the bullet and make it happen. I'm now the proud owner of my first PS2 and have finished Xenosaga Episode 1.

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(My dusty PS2)

So what do I think? I actually really enjoyed the combat, even though if you describe it, it sounds like pretty bog standard JRPG fare. One gripe is that I could never remember what skills I had set to the various square-triangle configurations, especially later on when I was almost always using the fast attacks. I actually really enjoyed all the animation work, and it was a fun throwback for me in 2020. I did not enjoy the character advancement between battles; the menus were poor and I thought it was a pain to apply my various T, E, and S points. The mechs were also far less useful than I remember in Xenogears.

Most of the characters were great. Shion and Kos-Mos in particular I like. I like Ziggy and his brooding, and similarly, I enjoyed the arc that Cherenkov went through. I liked how they introduced Virgil right at the start, and his whole character was, "I'm a dick," and then Kos-Mos promptly shoots him at the end of the first dungeon, ahah. Mo-mo is fine; I did not enjoy the bit with her and Albedo on the Song of Nephalim. Albedo in general is good though; I dig the insanity bit. He may have the best insane laugh since Kefka.

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(It looks so much better on the emulator!)

The music was pretty disappointing. One reason I decided to play this game is because Mitsuda worked on it. I still listen to Xenogears music from time to time these days, but everything in Xenosaga seemed pretty forgettable. Most of the music was just sort of mood or ambient pieces. The stuff in the cutscenes was a little bit better, but it was all still very understated. The music in the intro cinematic seemed to be deliberately hitting some Xenogears notes, but I couldn't detect much of anything after that until the ending.

I think the game struggles a bit with it's world building. I think it's because everything takes place on ships and space stations with only a few people. I think I got there by the end, but I had difficulty buying into it's universe as a real place.

Anyway, I think it's great overall. It's a bit unfair to compare it to my nostalgia soaked memory of Xenogears, so I won't. I know some people don't like Episode II, but I think I'm going to dive right into it. I will switch to emulator though. When I started this project, I didn't have a Windows PC. I have an ok laptop now, and initial tests with Episode 1 seem to indicate that it runs fine. Xenosaga looks good on my tv with the Rad2x cable I got, but it's just too much of a pain dealing with wires for the controller and headphones, not to mention looking for save points.

Anyone else come to this game late?
 
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Hailinel

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think Xenosaga I is a great game as an introductory chapter. Episode II really let it down, though.
 

Jencks

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Oct 25, 2017
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Great game. Really sets the stage for what could have been an amazing 6 part saga. Then Ep. II happened.

Thankfully III salvaged the mess into something still worthwhile.
 

SirKai

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Dec 28, 2017
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I remember hating Xenosaga 1 because of its sluggish pace and absolutely vacant atmosphere and tone due to the barren environments, sky-high camera perspective, and lack of music when outside of battles (and there's only ONE battle track in the whole game IIRC, which is just horrendous). One of the worst games I've ever finished.

I actually thought XS2 was a significant improvement even with the awkward shift in art direction and some horrible changes in VA casting. I liked how much more challenging and active the battles felt (I loved DPS beast Momo), it was mercifully much shorter and to the point compared to XS1, and the finale was actually super memorable and dramatic like nothing else in 1 or 2.

Xenosaga 3 however...

That game was terrific. I remember loving it thoroughly, especially the ending.
 

Zeal543

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I didn't like xenosaga I's ost at first because it sounded very different from what I expected from a Mitsuda soundtrack, but it grew on me (but what didn't was the distinct lack of it).

Overall, I find the saga games to be the weakest of the xeno titles. 1 and 2 are just ok, 3 is good but I'd still put it below the others. Saga does have the best characters and worldbuilding in the series however.
 

TwinBahamut

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Jun 8, 2018
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The entire Xenosaga trilogy is a confusing mix of good and bad pretty much the whole way through, but I still rather like it.

The music in 1 really is bad, simply due to how sparse it is. Xenosaga music doesn't really become great until Episode 3 when Yuki Kajiura takes over as lead composer. The music in that one is amazing.

Episode 1 is the best for minigames though. Xenocard is a ton of fun, and so is the mech battle action minigame.
 

moustascheman

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Oct 26, 2017
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The xenosaga series is really strange and inconsistent.

Xenosaga 1 is a good game with a lot of problems. The story feels short and extremely anticlimactic as it ends right when the plot really gets started. I think this is due to the fact the XS1 and 2 were both supposed to be a single game, which is why 2 begins pretty much a few minutes after the end of episode 1. The battle system has a bit of jank and the balance can feel really weird. Mechs are extremely weak in 1 and just not really worth using, especially compared to how Gears worked in Xenogears. The game also has very little side content.

Xenosaga 2 is not a bad game but it really feels like a 1 step forwards, 2 step back kind of game. The art style is divisive and the story still suffers from a lot of the same pacing issues as 1. The combat can be very annoying since even generic encounters can take a ton of time and be fairly difficult. To make matters worse the way combat works we're you're encouraged to guard for several turns so that you can combo enemies is just very annoying and uninteresting. Mechs however are significantly better than 1 and are actually unique and fun to use. They also added a lot of side content but almost all of it is pretty terribly designed (see paying off Captain Matthew's debt). Some of the new open-ended systems related to leveling and skills were actually really interesting though.

3 is easily the best game in the series, and it's where Monolith really came into their own in terms of gameplay. The combat system is just way more refined and enjoyable than both 1 and 2. The story also feels way more complete and the pacing is a lot tighter.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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I really hope you like Episode II

It's honestly my favorite of the trilogy and I will never understand why people think it's garbage, no, art style preference doesn't count as a legitimate reason

I thought it was better than Episode I in pretty much every way

battle animations were much faster, cutscenes were gorgeous (though they were gorgeous in Ep 1 too), interface is friendlier, lots of great/amazing music tracks, I loved what the story focused on, etc.

It's really underrated IMO

I hope you love it OP

P.S. I will never understand ppl claiming Episode II's battles "take long".... because, first of all, Episode I's battles were longer with all its long ass unskippable animations, and secondly, grinding is really fast and easy if needed. Boosting, if needed, is super fast. I also think a lot of people didn't realize that character switching based on enemy type was strongly encouraged.
 

AnimaRize

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This was the game that got me into the xeno series and haven't looked back, and while I have issue with the saga series, even more with the blade series that I will go over eventually, it still one of my favorites of all time. And it was this game that started me on that journey
 

Eppcetera

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Unfortunately, I don't think that Monolith quite nailed Xenosaga until Episode III (I like the first Xenosaga, while the second is a game I never want to play again), and by that point the writing was already on the wall.
 

DiipuSurotu

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The xenosaga series is really strange and inconsistent.

Xenosaga 1 is a good game with a lot of problems. The story feels short and extremely anticlimactic as it ends right when the plot really gets started. I think this is due to the fact the XS1 and 2 were both supposed to be a single game, which is why 2 begins pretty much a few minutes after the end of episode 1. The battle system has a bit of jank and the balance can feel really weird. Mechs are extremely weak in 1 and just not really worth using, especially compared to how Gears worked in Xenogears. The game also has very little side content.

Xenosaga 2 is not a bad game but it really feels like a 1 step forwards, 2 step back kind of game. The art style is divisive and the story still suffers from a lot of the same pacing issues as 1. The combat can be very annoying since even generic encounters can take a ton of time and be fairly difficult. To make matters worse the way combat works we're you're encouraged to guard for several turns so that you can combo enemies is just very annoying and uninteresting. Mechs however are significantly better than 1 and are actually unique and fun to use. They also added a lot of side content but almost all of it is pretty terribly designed (see paying off Captain Matthew's debt). Some of the new open-ended systems related to leveling and skills were actually really interesting though.

3 is easily the best game in the series, and it's where Monolith really came into their own in terms of gameplay. The combat system is just way more refined and enjoyable than both 1 and 2. The story also feels way more complete and the pacing is a lot tighter.
Don't forget Xenosaga 1+2, the remake of the first two and which is the canon version of them
 

Man God

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Oct 25, 2017
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Namco bet the farm on Xenosaga being a smash hit; they wanted it to be their FF VII. It was a success, but not on that level. At the same time production of it was going on they put more and more pressure on Monolithsoft to be their next big studio, focusing their attention elsewhere as II gets rolling. This plus the good but not great sales of Episode 1 causes a lot of changes to 2 to try and push it into the mainstream. It fails spectacularly, basically dooming 3 to be the wrap up game of the series and the end of Monolithsoft's golden status at Namco.
 

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Make sure you play Xenosaga 3. It is honestly one of the best PS2 games ever. Like they took everything good about 1 and 2 and combined it into a perfect Xenosaga game.

one of the few games where story was tied into a neat bow with space to expand further should they want to.
 

King Kingo

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You may as well make this thread a LTTP for the trilogy, I'm curious to see how opinions change throughout entries.
 

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God, Xenosaga I was the best. If it were released as a PS2 Classic I'd drop everything to replay it.
 
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I would kill for a remaster/definitive edition of the series for the Switch. I know Mono has said that internal marketing research says there is not a lot of demand to justify it but I dunno...

I would play through two just to enjoy three again. But that is me.
 

Onix555

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I would kill for a remaster/definitive edition of the series for the Switch. I know Mono has said that internal marketing research says there is not a lot of demand to justify it but I dunno...

I would play through two just to enjoy three again. But that is me.
That wasnt Monolith, that was Namco. Monolith said they'd do it if someone handed them the license and a sack of money.
 

adj_noun

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I fucking miss Xenocard. So rarely gets brought up in minigame conversations, but it was the best.
 

AIan

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I loved Xenosaga I. In terms of music I was disappointed that boss enemies didn't have their own themes and there wasn't any music for most of the overworld, even though having no music for the world helped bring out tension and atmosphere. It was a bizarre game with pretty challenging encounters IMO.

I have yet to play Xenosaga II/III but they sound great too.
 

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My friend and I spent whole afternoons with the mech-fighting minigame. That was good times. I was also strangely addicted to poker. I think it was poker, yeah? It was the best way to make cash, like, by far.
 

Arklite

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Interesting point on the world building feeling off due to most of the game taking place in space/space ships. It had the opposite effect for me as I really liked the space setting and hearing of the different planets made the world feel larger.

It's a shame it took the team so long to establish a good art style. I'd love some remasters but Xensoaga 1 went all in on trying to realize the character artists style into 3D and it was not a good choice. Somehow the chipmunk faces didn't bother me but going back it's an odd look.
 
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battle animations were much faster, cutscenes were gorgeous (though they were gorgeous in Ep 1 too), interface is friendlier, lots of great/amazing music tracks, I loved what the story focused on, etc.

All that sounds great! I thought some of the lower level tech attacks were ok length-wise, I must have cast R-Cannon a thousand times. But the later ones were a bit much. The interface could definitely use some help as well.

Don't forget Xenosaga 1+2, the remake of the first two and which is the canon version of them

I wish there were a fan translation of this. There's no way to play it if I don't know Japanese, right?

You may as well make this thread a LTTP for the trilogy, I'm curious to see how opinions change throughout entries.

I might try to get some more thoughts out as I go through the other games. I go really slowly though, I only have a chance to play here and there.

Interesting point on the world building feeling off due to most of the game taking place in space/space ships. It had the opposite effect for me as I really liked the space setting and hearing of the different planets made the world feel larger.

That's interesting that it had the opposite effect on you. Maybe my imagination just isn't active enough. I did really like a couple of the ships, the Woglinde and the Durandel. I thought the Woglinde had some strong Eldridge energy. The Elsa was pretty meh though lol.
 

Korigama

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Mitsuda was very much wasted on Episode I since they barely had him compose anything for it, yeah. Ultimately it was Yuki Kajiura's work on Episode II and III that came to define the music of Xenosaga. Mecha combat, and combat in general in Xenosaga, didn't really hit its stride until Episode III.
 
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I'd agree on the mecha combat hitting its stride in XSIII but tbh I was disappointed in the changes to normal battles. I missed the button combos/chained attacks. It was still a solid combat system tho, just nothing particularly special
 

SpaceCrystal

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I would kill for a remaster/definitive edition of the series for the Switch. I know Mono has said that internal marketing research says there is not a lot of demand to justify it but I dunno...

I would play through two just to enjoy three again. But that is me.

I said this many times, & I'll say it again: Take all three episodes & remake them into one large game while using Episode III's gameplay. :)
 

B.K.

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I wish there were a fan translation of this. There's no way to play it if I don't know Japanese, right?

There was a group working on a translation for it years ago. I knew the person translating it back then. The main story, side stories, battle system text, and database were all completely translated. I believe all that was left was some NPC dialog. The group working on it posted screenshots of the game with the text inserted, but they never finished it. I don't know if their website even exists anymore or not. It's too bad. It's the best version of the first two games.
 

Necrovex

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Xenosaga II had some of the best music too. Like I didn't like the gameplay of II or KosMos's voice actresses, however the focus on Jr was grand.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Xenosaga III is probably my favourite PS2 game. It had a lasting impression on me, especially the ending.

You're in for a treat once you get to it OP.
 

eternalblue

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Oct 27, 2017
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I got pretty far into Xenosaga I, pretty sure near the end, and just stopped playing it. I adored Xenogears and wanted to love Xenosaga, but I just really didn't connect with the characters or setting. I didn't really care for the ship or station settings. Maybe if they'd been more interesting-looking or something. At the very least, I'd had high hopes for the Mitsuda's music, but instead it was all pretty forgettable.

Never got around to playing Xenosaga II or III, although I've always been intrigued in that it sounds like to many III really brought the series around and was quite good. I was excited hearing of Yuki Kajiura's involvement music-wise, so I bought the collector's guide to Xenosga II (I'd always intended to go back and finish playing the Xenosaga games) that came with a 1-disc soundtrack back then and listened to it a whole lot, loved it. I heard at the time that her music was only used in cutscenes and that the music during regular gameplay was even blander than Xenosaga I's and never received a soundtrack release. Glad she was brought back for the entirety of Xenosaga III's soundtrack.

All said though, I know I'd bite if the series got any kind of re-release and give it another shot.
 

Madao

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it's a shame these games couldn't get the remaster approved. i can't commit to hunting them down since i never owned a PS2 and i checked prices on ebay and 3 is way too expensive.

getting Xenogears was easy since i already had a PS3 and it was just $10. (this PS3 has no BC with PS2 btw)
 

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I really hope you like Episode II

It's honestly my favorite of the trilogy and I will never understand why people think it's garbage, no, art style preference doesn't count as a legitimate reason

I thought it was better than Episode I in pretty much every way

battle animations were much faster, cutscenes were gorgeous (though they were gorgeous in Ep 1 too), interface is friendlier, lots of great/amazing music tracks, I loved what the story focused on, etc.

It's really underrated IMO

I hope you love it OP

P.S. I will never understand ppl claiming Episode II's battles "take long".... because, first of all, Episode I's battles were longer with all its long ass unskippable animations, and secondly, grinding is really fast and easy if needed. Boosting, if needed, is super fast. I also think a lot of people didn't realize that character switching based on enemy type was strongly encouraged.

I really love Xenosaga II's story focus. My jaw dropped during "MOMO's analysis" when I was younger.
 

DangerMouse

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Yeah, I too would have absolutely double dipped on a remaster of the three games had Bandai Namco went through with it. Loved this series.

Like you said, having replayed them several times through emulator they can really look quite good enhanced like that so a remaster would have been really cool.

Kajiura's songs on XS2 and 3 are some of the best of that era. It's a shame she's not worked on more games.
Yeah, she did an amazing job on her part of the soundtrack for 2 and the soundtrack for 3.

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Such a great and cool opening. Also that music track will always be amazing.
 

MaverickHunterAsh

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Episode I — Quite good. Flawed but really solid.

Episode II — Messy and very unfortunate. Not without its merits, mainly on the story side of things, but the clear low point of the series.

Episode III — One of the very best JRPGs on the PS2 and a shockingly excellent, satisfying conclusion to a series that itself was cut in half from six episodes to three.
 

Mr.Deadshot

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Both Xenosaga 1+2 have their issues but overall I loved them. I think Xenosaga 3 is one of the finest JRPGs ever made, it's really great. It takes all the good things from 1+2 and gets rid of the bad things and also is the best looking. Too bad it ended after that.

Overall I loved the trilogy. I am in the minority that liked it way more than Xenogears. It felt really epic over the course of three games.

This is one of the projects that would benefit from a remake with a coherent art style and gameplay-mechanics and maybe explore the story even further.
 

Valkerion

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Oct 29, 2017
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Remember being super disappointed in this. Like others said, its got interesting things but the whole package falls short in most aspects. 2 more so. The sluggish pace and hard to follow turns and twists remind me a bit of FFXIII as well.

I'll get to trying 3 at some point but after beating 1 and not remembering 99% of it outside the shockingly long opening, trying 2 and making it to disc two after doing like... 2 dungeons, I gave up on the series no matter how much I loved Gears.
 

Zephy

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Oct 27, 2017
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I set up my current avatar when I started Ep I on emulator last year. I reached about 60-70% and just stopped playing it. It was my second attempt at the game. Xenogears is one of my favourite games of all time and Sci Fi with mechs is absolutely my kind of setting, but I can't bring myself to drag my heels through through this whole slog.

The game has almost no music, the battles are boring, pacing is slow as hell, the places you visit are mostly uninteresting... It's like it's designed to be a pain to play. As someone pointed out in this thread, it's like the game has no atmosphere.

Back in the day, I also played Ep II (in Europe they never released the first one, only the second with a bonus disc containing the cutscenes from I) but didn't finish it, I don't remember why exactly, it just wasn't very good.

This whole endeavour was to finally, after all these years, be able to experience Ep III which I've always heard is fantastic. I'm sure I would love it. It seems I just can't bring myself to suffer through 2 appalling games to get there. And I don't see myself enduring 20 hours of ugly and boring cutscenes on Youtube either. So it's looking like I will never have the chance to play Ep III.

Ugh, time to change my avatar I guess.