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LTTP: why did Glass have to be so bad? Open Spoilers
- Thread starter BladeoftheImmortal
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not a good writer as well. which is a shame considering how amazing unbreakable and split were.
Worst thing about the puddle was how strong he is, but he can't get a normal guy to stop drowning him. He flings people around like nothing in these movies but dude holds his head in puddle and he just dies, like he can't struggle anymore cause of water?
it was just... boring, in a way i couldn't have imagined, from the second they entered the hospital.
the thought of a secret society that just waits around for superheroes to pop up so they can kill them is just the dumbest thing i've ever heard of.
only thing that was cool was that it was shot 15 minutes from my house at allentown state hospital so it was neat seeing a local landmark on film.
the thought of a secret society that just waits around for superheroes to pop up so they can kill them is just the dumbest thing i've ever heard of.
only thing that was cool was that it was shot 15 minutes from my house at allentown state hospital so it was neat seeing a local landmark on film.
After having some time to think about the film after my initial viewing, and barely being able to sit through it a second time, yeah I'd have to agree. It was a letdown.
It started off so strong too, with David fully accepting his hero role and having his son as a sidekick to guide him. We got the setup of Dunn looking for The Beast and the confrontation was incredibly satisfying.
But then the film does a complete 180 and tries to convince the main characters and the audience that these characters don't really have super powers? After two and 1/3 films showing that the theory is completely impossible?
Ridiculous.
What we were then left with was basically filler. The only character who we were given slightly more insight into was Crumb, and even then, we already got all the backstory we needed from the character in Split. Glass was M.I.A. for most of the film, and we didn't learn anything new or interesting from Dunn.
I thought the film might've redeemed itself with the third act it was setting up, but even that fell apart due to how unexcitingly everything played out.
Yes, the final fight taking place in the new building for everyone to see might've been too big in scale compared to the previous films, but at least it would've been fun. And the worst part is that we would've gotten the exact same ending had the finale gone down that route. The footage of the hero/villain battle on that scale, in front of everybody, would've been evidence enough that superpowers are real and likely would've inspired others to develop their abilities. Dunn, Crumb, and Glass could've still died, but at least it wouldn't have been in such a dull way that leaves the audience wondering wtf?
The secret society nonsense came out of nowhere and deflated the third act completely. You can't just throw in a new plot like that right at the end and have it be less satisfactory than the initial one you got the audience invested in.
The last scene was a nice, logical conclusion of the next generation being inspired to fulfill their roles, but again, the path to that point could've been handled much better.
Such a missed opportunity of a film.
It started off so strong too, with David fully accepting his hero role and having his son as a sidekick to guide him. We got the setup of Dunn looking for The Beast and the confrontation was incredibly satisfying.
But then the film does a complete 180 and tries to convince the main characters and the audience that these characters don't really have super powers? After two and 1/3 films showing that the theory is completely impossible?
Ridiculous.
What we were then left with was basically filler. The only character who we were given slightly more insight into was Crumb, and even then, we already got all the backstory we needed from the character in Split. Glass was M.I.A. for most of the film, and we didn't learn anything new or interesting from Dunn.
I thought the film might've redeemed itself with the third act it was setting up, but even that fell apart due to how unexcitingly everything played out.
Yes, the final fight taking place in the new building for everyone to see might've been too big in scale compared to the previous films, but at least it would've been fun. And the worst part is that we would've gotten the exact same ending had the finale gone down that route. The footage of the hero/villain battle on that scale, in front of everybody, would've been evidence enough that superpowers are real and likely would've inspired others to develop their abilities. Dunn, Crumb, and Glass could've still died, but at least it wouldn't have been in such a dull way that leaves the audience wondering wtf?
The secret society nonsense came out of nowhere and deflated the third act completely. You can't just throw in a new plot like that right at the end and have it be less satisfactory than the initial one you got the audience invested in.
The last scene was a nice, logical conclusion of the next generation being inspired to fulfill their roles, but again, the path to that point could've been handled much better.
Such a missed opportunity of a film.
i guess i can agree that it's pretty useless since it's abandoned but the property certainly isn't ugly. blight is a word reserved for martin tower.
i lol'd so hard at elijah's mother's lines
"i think it's called the big showdown, from limited editions"
"i think it's called the big showdown, from limited editions"
I don't know if introducing and killing an in-universe character like the Beast in the span of one film is a good idea, unless you planned on only 2 films. I think introducing Dunn earlier in the film is an interesting concept. Hell, maybe just have Dunn and Kevin see the same therapist, that way you have a reason for Dunn "bumping into" Kevin and giving him the vision of the kidnappings.
If Dunn is introduced earlier, however, then Mr. Glass has to be alluded to as well. I never saw Glass the film and I know it's sort of a trope, but I'd be down for the reveal that Glass has orchestrated this entire thing and for that to be the stinger that ends Split before moving into Glass.
I like your idea of Dunn and Kevin seeing the same therapist. It's neat, but very Shyamalan-y, too.
Kevin/The Beast serves to connect Ana Taylor's character who is a compliment to David in terms of her empathy, and to kick-start David's realization that he's not alone. I don't think the character is interesting enough to basically carry a third movie, so that's why I would have him as a "monster of the week" who sets off the next film. I also think it's a mistake to make Mr. Glass into some sort of super villain like Shyamalan did. Mr. Glass works best as a character that gives context to the happenings (heh) of the story.
I would rather have Glass be like a Hannibal Lecter character, who is both an adversary and an advisor. Having him "mentor" Ana Taylor's character as she dives deeper into this new world would be very interesting.
I do think its strangely poetic that the last movie was so bad.
There has to be some sort of Shamylan Rule that can accurately predict whether his next project will be fantastic or straight to the DVD bin.
There has to be some sort of Shamylan Rule that can accurately predict whether his next project will be fantastic or straight to the DVD bin.
But isn't Glass only interested in individuals with potential superpowers? Did Ana's character have something in particular? I know in Split it's mentioned that her abuse and self-mutilation showed a flawed victim which is why the Beast spared her. She knew pain, essentially. But is that enough of a catalyst to have Mr. Glass take her on as the protege that Dunn refused to be?
I enjoyed seeing it opening night, (luckily the theater was cheap and not crowded) and I knew all of the spoilers going in. A lot has been written so I'll just quickly say that I like the performances, the direction, the first half an hour and parts of the climax. The ending was too short and too long.
If it had ended just before the final scene the ambiguity would have let the audience imaginations run on what followed. Which would have been better than what was shown. It could be argued that it ended too soon and could we at least have gotten a glimpse of a few more "super humans" or world wide reactions?
He would be using her to find more people like David.
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I just watched this and what a train wreck(no pun intended).
How do you go from Split to this??
It was mostly ok up until the lame fight in the parking lot, the puddle scene as well as the big reveal of the Clover Society lol.
One of the most disappointing films I've ever seen.
How do you go from Split to this??
It was mostly ok up until the lame fight in the parking lot, the puddle scene as well as the big reveal of the Clover Society lol.
One of the most disappointing films I've ever seen.
There's already another thread for this.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/glass-spoiler-thread.94804/
You just wanted to use that title to get attention.
It's hilarious with the hate... he doesn't spend that much money to make this series, but makes serious bank for the company. People keep coming back.
Hopefully this continues to be the case and he continues to make films like these three.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/glass-spoiler-thread.94804/
You just wanted to use that title to get attention.
It's hilarious with the hate... he doesn't spend that much money to make this series, but makes serious bank for the company. People keep coming back.
Hopefully this continues to be the case and he continues to make films like these three.
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It was OK. I expected an absurd twist or subversion so I just enjoyed watching the characters interact while waiting for the story to take a swerve.
I enjoyed Glass just fine. Shyamalan was way too heavy handed with the themes of his story, and very, very self-indulgent, but we already knew he isn't a good writer. Glass is not good but it's reasonably entertaining.
I enjoyed Glass just fine. Shyamalan was way too heavy handed with the themes of his story, and very, very self-indulgent, but we already knew he isn't a good writer. Glass is not good but it's reasonably entertaining.
Glass is a movie that spins its wheels for two hours - doing a poor job of entertaining a ridiculous premise that the audience already knows is false, before drowning a bored Bruce Willis in a puddle.
In a way, it's impressive that Shyamalan parodied himself so effectively without even realising it. Even his cameo was made a cameo-within-a-cameo with that asinine and utterly unnecessary callback to the one in Unbreakable.
I mean, it's really not that much stupider than the rest of his filmography. I dunno what you expected going in.
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Split and unbreakable were both much better written and directed films. I was hoping for that...
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And it's not the major story beats that I hated. It was getting to them. The most unbelievable parts are still him believing her bullshit and the horde believing it too.
Unbreakable maybe but Split is about on par re: nonsensical plot twists I'd say. Also directing-wise Glass has a pretty decent claim to being one of his best-looking flicks
I mean, it's Shamalalaalman. What do you expect.
Unbreakable was on ok movie coming off of Sixth Sense.
Split was heinously overrated and somehow everybody forgot the last 15+ years of absolute shite he'd put out and convinced themselves he'd make some kind of great trilogy. Nah fam
Unbreakable was on ok movie coming off of Sixth Sense.
Split was heinously overrated and somehow everybody forgot the last 15+ years of absolute shite he'd put out and convinced themselves he'd make some kind of great trilogy. Nah fam
I wonder, if this movie was an attempt to bind of all shamalans movies into one universe.
But ya, I disliked it, the twist would've been cool if it were 2002. But it's 2018 in the movie, no one would give a shot and just say it's edited footage
But ya, I disliked it, the twist would've been cool if it were 2002. But it's 2018 in the movie, no one would give a shot and just say it's edited footage
I think that problem with Glass is that it was just super unsatisfying. It started off with the whole "Omg this is cool, all these movies are coming together, how will these characters play off one another?!" Then the first half of the movie does absolutely nothing with this concept but revisit if they're real or not, which the audience knows is real.
The second half of the movie, Mr. Glass's plan was actually cool, we probably all would have liked to see it, but we ultimately aren't able to because the secret bad guys stop that from happening it, this sucks, even to the audience.
So we're left with this melancholy ending and it's like "eh, I guess that's fine?"
I feel like, this is a Superhero movie and nobody explained the rule of cool to MNS. Like the final fight was kinda cool, but even that was kinda constrained and felt held back vs Glass's vision of this grand melee the world watches and reacts to, instead we, the audience, are supposed to be the witnesses and react and it doesn't work because we've seen their feats before. The world finding out about it second hand at the end is just....ok?
The second half of the movie, Mr. Glass's plan was actually cool, we probably all would have liked to see it, but we ultimately aren't able to because the secret bad guys stop that from happening it, this sucks, even to the audience.
So we're left with this melancholy ending and it's like "eh, I guess that's fine?"
I feel like, this is a Superhero movie and nobody explained the rule of cool to MNS. Like the final fight was kinda cool, but even that was kinda constrained and felt held back vs Glass's vision of this grand melee the world watches and reacts to, instead we, the audience, are supposed to be the witnesses and react and it doesn't work because we've seen their feats before. The world finding out about it second hand at the end is just....ok?
I agree: The first half hour was SO GOOD and then once they got arrested it turned really badly.
Mr. Glass plan played out exactly the way he wanted. He knew they'd never get the glass tower and thus he made it obvious to Staples that was his plan. MNS was never going to let this play out like a typical SH movie.
And in the end Glass got exactly what he wanted.
Buncha crybabies in this thread.
Be thankful Lord Sham didn't grace us with a Lady In The Water Trilogy.
Be thankful Lord Sham didn't grace us with a Lady In The Water Trilogy.
Didn't watch it, not gonna, but the Slate spoiler podcast lamented how it took Samuel L. Jackson, one of the great "movie talkers," and had him sitting silent and drooling in a chair for most of the film.
seeing how road to perdition exists this statement is false. Hate to be that guy, but their is a big difference between super hero comics and other comics.