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sn00zer

Member
Feb 28, 2018
6,096
This game is so goddamn weird. I'm only around a third of the way through... Just got to Golden Saucer and then immediately kicked out of Golden Saucer, and so far my impression is this is one fucking odd videogame. I played quite a bit of FF7 as a kid but I am realizing I retained next to nothing of the story.
The tonal whiplash is just outta control. Traveling from town to town feels like walking in and out of totally different games. Midgar is just a depressing horror show and then suddenly it turns into a goofy buddy road trip comedy.
Meet wacky characters as you and your band of misfits travel around to random locations hoping Sephiroth is there. The game spends more time as a comedy to the point the main plot threads get buried between bits. Legit question, as the only other FFs I've sunk serious time into are III, X, XV, and remake... is FF7 a comedy? The tone seems way wackier than any other FF game I've seen.
Having fun with it though, the section immediately after Midgar seems like it will make a killer opening to Remake 2. I feel bad for those who are working on the new Golden Saucer, it's hard not to have your expectations run wild on what they could do with it.
This game gives me a huge appreciation for Remake though. They really just knocked it out of the park with reimagining Midgar. It does make me wonder though what the scope of the rest of the Remake series is going to be because it legit feels like it would take 5 hours in Remake time just to go through the 30 min part right after Midgar. I didn't really understand the scope of FF7 until I started playing this and now I realize why Square was so gun shy about remaking it for so many years. Also for real they nailed it so hard in the Remake I'm just giddy thinking about what each town will look like in the Remake....and my god... Sephiroth extracting Jenova cutscene.

Just wondering if anyone else there is revisiting the original FF7 or playing through for the first time and realizing just how damn weird this game is.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,711
Gold Saucer is intentionally excessive, like a casino, yes. FF7 is a weird and funny game, also yes.
You're wondering if its a comedy or how certain things can be done, im just like yeah this is a game with this scene in it
FFVII-00434-Cargo-Ship-Red-XIII.png
 
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sn00zer

sn00zer

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Feb 28, 2018
6,096
Gold Saucer is intentionally excessive, like a casino, yes. FF7 is a weird and funny game, also yes.
I think my tipping point in "what is up with this game" was Barrett's tragic story reveal, a run down coal mine that was attacked by a Shinra death squad is immediately followed up by the Golden Saucer which felt like a U-turn at 90 miles an hour.
 

Barrel Cannon

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
9,303
FF games are at their best when they embrace comedy. And yes the tone is all over the place in FF7 but I don't think that was a bad thing. Story still hit hard even with those chibi tastic graphics
 

Weiss

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
64,265
Where you playing it, OP? Steam version has a ton of mods in case the original translation or character models seem too outdated.
 

steejee

Member
Oct 28, 2017
8,627
On the one hand, I enjoyed the weirdness of FFVII

On the other hand, it's the very reason I can never make it my top FF. FFVI had Ultros and dinosaurs and it still managed to stay more tonally consistent than FFVII
 

Tbm24

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
16,329
Gold Saucer is intentionally excessive, like a casino, yes. FF7 is a weird and funny game, also yes.
You're wondering if its a comedy or how certain things can be done, im just like yeah this is a game with this scene in it
FFVII-00434-Cargo-Ship-Red-XIII.png
This is classic and it's going to be a massive shame when it's not in the remake.
 

PAFenix

Unshakable Resolve
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Nov 21, 2019
14,706
I want to revisit, but I plan on playing Legend of Mana after I finish up Days Gone.

To answer you though, OP, yes...it's a very humorous game in sections. It was frustrating reading takes and the discourse surrounding 7R leading up to its release. Lots of complaints about the light hearted moments that were shown "wouldn't fit in muh gritty 7!"
 
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sn00zer

sn00zer

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Feb 28, 2018
6,096
I want to revisit, but I plan on playing Legend of Mana after I finish up Days Gone.

To answer you though, OP, yes...it's a very humorous game in sections. It was frustrating reading takes and the discourse surrounding 7R leading up to its release. Lots of complaints about the light hearted moments that were shown "wouldn't fit in muh gritty 7!"
After playing the Midgar section I cannot believe how good Remake is. I get that it's a huge gap of time, but Remake just absolutely blew the original Midgar section out of the water. Just the characters, scene interpretations, boss fights, rpg mechanics, the comedy, just everything was nailed so hard. I was actually kind of shocked how simple some of the original FF7 boss fights were compared to the remake.

I'm very excited now to see how Remake smooths out some of the tonal transitions, because FF7 runs at such a brisk pace it doesn't let some of the harder hitting moments just breathe for a bit.
 

Aaronrules380

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
22,481
Honestly the thing is as goofy as gold saucer is it's perfectly in line with the established setting. It's a resort/amusement park for the rich and well off built by Shinra over the ruins of a town they themselves destroyed to cover up their own failings. It's basically a monument of excess built over the corpses of people killed by Shinra
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,143
Perform CPR on girl mini game to move on to the dolphin riding mini game to eventually get to the military parade mini game.
 

Red

Member
Oct 26, 2017
11,704
This game is so goddamn weird. I'm only around a third of the way through... Just got to Golden Saucer and then immediately kicked out of Golden Saucer, and so far my impression is this is one fucking odd videogame. I played quite a bit of FF7 as a kid but I am realizing I retained next to nothing of the story.
The tonal whiplash is just outta control. Traveling from town to town feels like walking in and out of totally different games. Midgar is just a depressing horror show and then suddenly it turns into a goofy buddy road trip comedy.
Meet wacky characters as you and your band of misfits travel around to random locations hoping Sephiroth is there. The game spends more time as a comedy to the point the main plot threads get buried between bits. Legit question, as the only other FFs I've sunk serious time into are III, X, XV, and remake... is FF7 a comedy? The tone seems way wackier than any other FF game I've seen.
Having fun with it though, the section immediately after Midgar seems like it will make a killer opening to Remake 2. I feel bad for those who are working on the new Golden Saucer, it's hard not to have your expectations run wild on what they could do with it.
This game gives me a huge appreciation for Remake though. They really just knocked it out of the park with reimagining Midgar. It does make me wonder though what the scope of the rest of the Remake series is going to be because it legit feels like it would take 5 hours in Remake time just to go through the 30 min part right after Midgar. I didn't really understand the scope of FF7 until I started playing this and now I realize why Square was so gun shy about remaking it for so many years. Also for real they nailed it so hard in the Remake I'm just giddy thinking about what each town will look like in the Remake....and my god... Sephiroth extracting Jenova cutscene.

Just wondering if anyone else there is revisiting the original FF7 or playing through for the first time and realizing just how damn weird this game is.
The original was campy, it was self-aware about its primitive look and did a good job relieving what could have been much too self-serious material. A lot of the spin off stuff has lost that, it's been sterilized of the charm it once had. In short, yeah it's goofy. It was a weird transition period for games and the script had a keen eye for the visual quirks of the time. A lot of ideas thrown into a blender, with some loose connective tissue. You get the sense that the development of the game moved in fits and starts and the creative team didn't quite know which direction to take—so they took every direction.
 

SunKing

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Oct 25, 2017
1,544
This is why a part of me wishes they would have just embraced the anime-ness of the original for the Remake and gone for something like Dragon Quest XI in terms of visuals. FFVII is the most cartoony entry of the mainline series.
 

GamerJM

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Nov 8, 2017
15,648
Other FF games are usually more tonally consistent/less weird, I guess 8 is weird sometimes with its locations/world too, and all of the SNES games have a decent bit of comedy in them, but I guess 7 probably is the weirdest.
 

Chumunga64

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Jun 22, 2018
14,285
it's pretty fucking goofy

one of the best parts of the remake is that it doesn't fall into the trap of making everything boring and "cool" like the post FF7 compilation shit and is just as stupid
 
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sn00zer

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Feb 28, 2018
6,096
it's pretty fucking goofy

one of the best parts of the remake is that it doesn't fall into the trap of making everything boring and "cool" like the post FF7 compilation shit and is just as stupid
Yes I am both extremely excited to see what the harrowing flashback will look like in Remake and also the scene where Cloud uses a dolphin to fly into the air.
 

diablogg

Member
Oct 31, 2017
3,269
OG FF7, there are things I like about it. Honestly though the story, the pacing and the characters are all pretty dumb. How someone can prefer it over FF8 or FF9 is something I just won't understand.
 

Nakenorm

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
22,351
I love the tone in VII. I wouldn't say it's a comedy but it's certainly a funny game. It just got this crazy charm, similar to IX.
 

halcali

Banned
Nov 7, 2017
6,317
Hong Kong SAR
The game shifts tones rather abruptly, though it's quite self-aware and humourous.

Of course, you get to snowboard (optional) immediately after a party member gets snookered.
 

Darkstorne

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,828
England
I'll tell you what - while I shared your concerns about the Gold Saucer before 7R released, I'm now convinced these guys will absolutely nail it. Honeybee Inn made me a believer.
 

Belfast

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,886
Sounds like you don't have a high tolerance for quick tonal changes. I find this happens more often in Eastern media than Western and some people just don't take to it as easily.
 

Zeal543

Next Level Seer
Member
May 15, 2020
5,796
I love the atmosphere of FF7, a lot of it feels unintentional but that's kind of why they were never able to even come close to replicating it with all the other 7 games. It's a complete cluster fuck but It's just so bizarre in all the right ways
 

Sanctuary

Member
Oct 27, 2017
14,236
Just wondering if anyone else there is revisiting the original FF7 or playing through for the first time and realizing just how damn weird this game is.

Played it at launch, and while I enjoyed it enough, I wasn't nearly as impressed with it as so many others seemed to be, and still are. I didn't mind the tonal shifts too much, although at times they did feel sudden and almost like a kitchen sink approach. No, what I liked the least was the horribly inconsistent aesthetic the game had. It was all over the map, and while I know different teams did different renders or in engine work, a little more right hand talking to the left would have gone a very long way. This is one area that FFVIII greatly improved. Say what you will about the gameplay or characters, but the world was much more cohesive as a whole.

it's pretty fucking goofy

one of the best parts of the remake is that it doesn't fall into the trap of making everything boring and "cool" like the post FF7 compilation shit and is just as stupid

No, instead it falls into the boring modern trap of "more is more so let's do more" with the padding, which was primarily walking and talking that ate up at least a third of the playing time.
 
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sn00zer

sn00zer

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Feb 28, 2018
6,096
Played it at launch, and while I enjoyed it enough, I wasn't nearly as impressed with it as so many others seemed to be, and still are. I didn't mind the tonal shifts too much, although at times they did feel sudden and almost like a kitchen sink approach. No, what I liked the least was the horribly inconsistent aesthetic the game had. It was all over the map, and while I know different teams did different renders or in engine work, a little more right hand talking to the left would have gone a very long way. This is one area that FFVIII greatly improved. Say what you will about the gameplay or characters, but the world was much more cohesive as a whole.
I think one of the thing I love about Remake is that it wrangles in FF7 into something more cohesive. I think a lot of the scenes in FF7 could use some expansion to let the scenes breath a bit so it not so focused on just getting to the next thing.
 

Lunar Wolf

Banned
Nov 6, 2017
16,237
Los Angeles
This game is so goddamn weird. I'm only around a third of the way through... Just got to Golden Saucer and then immediately kicked out of Golden Saucer, and so far my impression is this is one fucking odd videogame. I played quite a bit of FF7 as a kid but I am realizing I retained next to nothing of the story.
The tonal whiplash is just outta control. Traveling from town to town feels like walking in and out of totally different games. Midgar is just a depressing horror show and then suddenly it turns into a goofy buddy road trip comedy.
Meet wacky characters as you and your band of misfits travel around to random locations hoping Sephiroth is there. The game spends more time as a comedy to the point the main plot threads get buried between bits. Legit question, as the only other FFs I've sunk serious time into are III, X, XV, and remake... is FF7 a comedy? The tone seems way wackier than any other FF game I've seen.
Having fun with it though, the section immediately after Midgar seems like it will make a killer opening to Remake 2. I feel bad for those who are working on the new Golden Saucer, it's hard not to have your expectations run wild on what they could do with it.
This game gives me a huge appreciation for Remake though. They really just knocked it out of the park with reimagining Midgar. It does make me wonder though what the scope of the rest of the Remake series is going to be because it legit feels like it would take 5 hours in Remake time just to go through the 30 min part right after Midgar. I didn't really understand the scope of FF7 until I started playing this and now I realize why Square was so gun shy about remaking it for so many years. Also for real they nailed it so hard in the Remake I'm just giddy thinking about what each town will look like in the Remake....and my god... Sephiroth extracting Jenova cutscene.

Just wondering if anyone else there is revisiting the original FF7 or playing through for the first time and realizing just how damn weird this game is.

I like how someone described FFVII, I'm paraphrasing here but:

FFVII is a fun, comedic game with serious moments.

FFVII Remake is a fun, serious game with comedic moments.
 

RagnarokX

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,792
It's weird to have this reaction with Gold Saucer of all things. Gold Saucer is basically Midgar West: a set of plates in the sky where the rich live and play in extravagance built atop the ruins of a town Shinra destroyed while the people that used to live in that town live in a slum at the entrance or in the prison the town was turned into.

Shinra REALLY likes to build towns on top of pre-existing towns. It's kinda their thing. Midgar, Junon, Gold Saucer...
 

FunnyJay

Member
Oct 27, 2017
235
I always found it jarring to go from the dystopic Midgar, to people chilling at the beach at that resort you visit straight after Midgar (if I remember correctly).
 

Chumunga64

Member
Jun 22, 2018
14,285
No, instead it falls into the boring modern trap of "more is more so let's do more" with the padding, which was primarily walking and talking that ate up at least a third of the playing time.
You won't find me disagreeing with this. I'm not a big fan of the remake at all and those are some problems I have with it

I just wanted to give it a compliment
 

phanboy4

Member
Oct 27, 2017
413
The tonal whiplash is just outta control.

I've been revisiting a lot of PS1-era JRPGs as an adult. A ton of them have this problem. Frankly it took about a decade for the genre to become tolerable at achieving coherent and consistent narratives that didn't undermine themselves every 20 minutes.

It didn't really get better until studios started hiring writers and proper localization teams.

Being kids let us all paper over a ton of narrative amaterishness.
 
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J_ToSaveTheDay

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
18,846
USA
It helps that I was 11 when I discovered FFVII for the first time. I am not trying to say that it was necessarily aimed at younger audiences, but that being young kinda made it that much more magical and convincing. Swinging into "no fucks given" mode made the gravitas hit a bit harder as a kid. I had a very similar impression to watching the film Galaxy Express 999 when I was like 8 (and also had some fucking trauma from the darker elements of that movie too).

I am not off-put by the tone of FFVII at this time, but I can't also just mentally go back to the same exact place I was in when I first played FFVII. Somehow, Remake is feeling just right while also not trying to dramatically change. They're somehow nailing it despite the odds, but I also think the tonal weirdness (which isn't even yet hitting the extremes of classic FFVII) is why there are people who see Jessie's expanded characterization and feel off-put, or think that Aerith is too chatty and flirty too... But I think that was always kinda there--the sorta goofy, light-heartedness.
 

Dogui

Member
Oct 28, 2017
8,813
Brazil
I feel like all my fav FFs are kinda like this. Both VI and IX are sorta similar, with lots of unique and criative setpieces with overall weirdness and goofy moments. But are also really serious at times.

FFVIII does this as well, but not with the same regularity, i guess.

Since FFX, the series got a lot more monotonous imo.
 

Kuro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
20,693
The only time the tonal changes were excessively bad and took me out of the scene was anything involving Cait Sith. He was really poorly implemented throughout the game. Otherwise I mostly enjoyed the juxtaposition of wackiness to seriousness. It made those sad moments that much stronger I think.
 
Jan 2, 2018
1,503
Massachusetts
I think my tipping point in "what is up with this game" was Barrett's tragic story reveal, a run down coal mine that was attacked by a Shinra death squad is immediately followed up by the Golden Saucer which felt like a U-turn at 90 miles an hour.
It's intentionally supposed to be that jarring, you're in a world of hypercapitalism where the wealthy build everything on top of the poor. There could have been a better way to execute it possibly, but it's not out of place. You've seen that in the game already with other towns.
 

Horohorohoro

Member
Jan 28, 2019
6,725
The only time the tonal changes were excessively bad and took me out of the scene was anything involving Cait Sith. He was really poorly implemented throughout the game. Otherwise I mostly enjoyed the juxtaposition of wackiness to seriousness. It made those sad moments that much stronger I think.
Yeah I feel pretty much the same about it. Everything aside from Cait Sith works fine.
 
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sn00zer

sn00zer

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Feb 28, 2018
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It's intentionally supposed to be that jarring, you're in a world of hypercapitalism where the wealthy build everything on top of the poor. There could have been a better way to execute it possibly, but it's not out of place. You've seen that in the game already with other towns.
That is fair. It's a good idea maybe just executed a little clunky. I think the CPR to dolphin scene would have been a better example.
 

Mr. Poolman

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
6,996
FFVII is purposely dumb game with some serious moments.
FFVII remake is a serious game with some dumb moments.