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Season 2 episode 8

You just got played, Mobley

They have to assume the FBI are scanning these phone lines for hacks, right.

An old school tape camera is smart, anything like a phone or a newer digital camera would open them up to all sorts of problems, the metadata alone would be a goldmine for law enforcement.

Wait they have their own account on vimeo. Thought they would get other people to anonymously seed the content. For a show that handles hacking and cybersecurity realistically, that's a stumble. Because they would be fighting off intrusions constantly, plus most corporate websites will roll over for the Feds every time.

Well shit.... Now what, either they recruit the lawyer or make her disappear?

We need to stop measuring success in money, capitalism is a cancer on society.

Don't let her go, Trenton. Of course the evil lawyer automatically assumes terrorism because Trenton's a Muslim. Hacking tne lawyer might not be enough to keep her running to the feds first chance she gets.

Holy shit, Yahoo mail still exists?

This rich dude about to give up Darlene, he must know she took the gun.

If the plan was make it look like an accident, nobody will buy it. Admit it, Darlene, you know she would die. The email about a pacemaker was very prominent. Not that I blame you.

Sorry, Trenton, but that was straight up murder by Darlene. She probably has the most to lose due to sytemic racism if she gets caught.

Oh shit they are about too burn her aren't they, damn. That's hardcore.

Can't blame them for being paranoid right now. I would be. Oh fuck, Feds got Mobley. Stay strong, man.

Luckily for Mobley, the FBI are still looking for Wellick. DiPierro's bosses are still not listening.

Both are awkward about it, but there is something between Mobley and Trenton. More than just working together.

So that guy who hooked up with Angela is FBI, sneaky.

Stage 2 of what?
 
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Season 2 episode 9

So it was Lenny who got Elliot busted.

So Ray is the prison warden in real life.

Female and male prisoners together? Did not expect that.

That USB stick is an obvious method to hack this place, but it works in a lot of cases. It helps that Angela looks exactly Monica.

I hope Trenton and Mobley are alive in hiding and not dead.

What's up with the mother?

Dark Army about to take someone out.

Elliot is losing it again.

What is so significant about the Washington Townhship plant, what do they have in there that they want kept secret so bad.

Smartphones are truly the best spy tool in the world once hacked.

What is happening to Elliot? His mind is more fractured than ever.

The I've got nothing to hide argument is the worst, fight for your fucking privacy.

That computer would crash if that happened, not just keep running.

If the cops had found that tape they would have been looking for Darlene already. Unless they are working surveillance.

DiPierro is a bit odd, but she's no Evil Corp double agent.

Going back to this place is such a bad idea.

Stage 2 is Elliot's plan?

How much does Joanna know?
 
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Season 2 episode 10

Everyone in this thinks they are God on the villains side.

Everything about Joanna is off.

They beat Vincent half to death. Damn, Darlene, that's cold.

Feds found the smart house.

They're onto Cisco, damn. Mobley is dead by the sounds of things. What about Trenton?

I hope Joanna is paying for all this stuff.

So who was the old woman?

The hospital might call the cops.

I hope this works for finding out what happened to Wellick.

Feds found Cisco's place. He's a dead man at this point it's all over the news.

Angela give him a chance to get you out of this.

Oh shit, DiPierro found them.

And there's the Dark Army hit squad, they don't waste any time.
 
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Season 2 episode 11.

What is she going to do?

Oh snap, they got Angela.

Phillip got his wish, E Corp got bailed out by the Chinese government. I feel for DiPierro, she might be after fsociety, but she's trying to do the right thing and getting cut off at every turn.

I dig that Commodore set up. So she's being questioned by a child version of herself? The hell.
 
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Season 2 episode 11.

This line of questions, what are they implying?

Situation is very different but this reminds me of Libra a couple of years ago.

What is this place, is it even real?

I refuse to have an Alexa in my house. That aside this is some deep existential stuff.

Whiterose, I'm still trying to figure you out.

Is this Wellick?

Angela is trying to keep the lawyer safe.

So Wellick is still alive.

All the songs in this episode were also used in the Back to the Future trilogy, BTTF II is Elliot's favourite movie, hmm.
 
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Season 2 episode 12.

Wellick, you are no ally of Elliot, fuck off. Save your tears as well. This setup is intriguing though.

So Darlene survived the hit, but what about Cisco?

They need to repeal the Patriot Act. But unfortunately I can't it see it happening anytime soon.

Why was Knowles sending things to Joanna, payback for his wife?

Damn, Joanna, kick a man while he's down. Is this her final play, even if she dies, the cops with arrest Knowles for murder. If she lives, she'll see him, lose everything all over again.

Off topic rant. The real domestic terrorists are the white supremacists!! They present the greatest risk of them all. No, Darlene, she might be opposing you, but I accept DiPierro as genuine in her intention.

They're going after the paper records.

Damn, her face is a mess. Joanna's going to frame Scott for the murder of his own wife.

That's one hell of an approach. Also they have identified Elliot already, damn.

Fuck, fuck, fuck!!! Elliot got shot....

Going full on Project Chaos right now.

Angela, what? You're involved too?
 
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Season 3 episode 1

This reminds me of that scene in Falling Down.

This guy is so out of place.

Whiterose is manipulating everybody. I'm no expert but that is not a nuclear reactor. What the hell?

Of course they moved, they don't want Elliot to stop them.

How are they going to stop this, it might already be too late.

Dark Army are there, dicey.

Cops wish they had that capability to remotely slow down a car.

Stage 2 will not be stopped that easily.

He's turned into something else. I fear what he might do after this.

Wait now he's going to help Evil Corp.

Undo everything? We're getting into serious sci fi stuff here.

Oh fuck, stage 2 is back on.
 
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Season 3 episode 2.

How many bosses is he going to get fired?

He's now seeing how futile changing Evil Corp is.

There is something in his childhood buried deep in his memories and not just the window incident.

Looks like Joanna succeeded in destroying Scott.

Darlene turned informant, I think she is holding back though.

It took long enough for karma to catch up to Joanna.

DiPierro just won't quit.

This is not a gpod idea, Elliot.

Phillip you are digging your own grave.

Oh shit, Mr Robot is on the inside now.

Krista, I'm not sure you are ready for this.

So the Feds can monitor him in real time.

Played.
 
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Season 3 episode 3

Wellick don't take this as a sign of Godhood.

So this is how Irving got involved.

Ugh, even in a fictional setting, I hate Trump.

So Whiterose is controlling this TV news guy.

Do they wear those masks all the time?

Who is that old man?

If this your plan to show me Wellick isn't so bad, don't fucking bother. I made my mind up about this guy ages ago.

Dislocating your own thumb is pretty fucking hardcore.

So that's why DiPierro's boss is so obstructive.

Big Brother is trash tier TV.

Fuck you, Wellick, you are nothing, you forced way in.
 
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Season 3 episode 4.

Who is this, not just some random thief.

Guess they stopped collecting the trash, nasty.

At least he doesn't know she turned informant.

I don't think Dark Army gives a shit about the employees in the building, Angela.

Given that Darlene is a trigger, I worry about this plan.

Who is this guy?

What is Elliot going to do?

I knew having an account on vimeo was a bad idea.

Let's hope it never comes to that, Darlene.

Oh how little you know, Whiterose is real.

Oh here we go, Mr Robot just hooked up with Angela. Stage 2 is go.

Looks like Elliot was able throw a spanner in the works for now.

Wellick, you're a passenger in this.

I have doubts as to whether Angela can be trusted anymore.

No one can control Mr Robot. Not Darkene, not Wellick, no one.

One weekend, that's some time crunch.

Just wait until Wellick finds out she's dead. It will break him.

OK, one obstacle circumvented. They are ready for stage 2 apparently.
 
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I'm going to need to start staying up later to get this done in time.

Season 3 episode 5.

What's the significance of the guy in the elevator?

It's hitting the fan, Elliot just found out his access is gone and Dark Army are moving on with Stage 2.

The race is on, Elliot vs Dark Army.

Wondering when this would finally happen. At least he knows at last what Darlene is doing.

This confusion is one hell of a distraction.

Fuck this is tense, but where is Elliot?

I said it before, Dark Army doesn't give a shit about the people in the building.

Oh, damn, you're too late, Elliot.
 
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Season 3 episode 6.

A BTTF cartoon, I need to look that up.

Terminal illness is one of the hardest things to deal with for family, especially the young ones.

Helplessness is the worst feeling in the worl.

I doubt even the Feds can stop this at this point. Especially with Dark Army's man on the inside running interference.

Phillip you are about get fucked hard and you don't even realise it.

Holy shit I didn't think there would be that many people in there.

Come on, DiPierro, do something.

You're no longer of any use to them, Wellick.

That poor guy has clue what he just witnessed.

What instructions did they give Wellick?

Keep going, Elliot!

Angela, you're on the wrong side here, nobody needs to die for this.

So this could all be for nothing.

Wellick, one hell of a time to grow a conscience.

Shit, that was close.

Whiterose won't just give up.

Oh damn, this was a huge diversion, that's an insanely huge co-ordinated attack.
 
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I'm going to need to start staying up later to get this done in time.

Season 3 episode 5.

What's the significance of the guy in the elevator?

It's hitting the fan, Elliot just found out his access is gone and Dark Army are moving on with Stage 2.

The race is on, Elliot vs Dark Army.

Wondering when this would finally happen. At least he knows at last what Darlene is doing.

This confusion is one hell of a distraction.

Fuck this is tense, but where is Elliot?

I said it before, Dark Army doesn't give a shit about the people in the building.

Oh, damn, you're too late, Elliot.

Did you notice this episode was a one take?
 
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Season 3 episode 7.

Holy shit Mobley and Trenton are still alive. But they have Leon watching them, he's a stone cold killer.

A drive into the desert cannot end well.

If only you knew, Krista. He's telling the truth.

Wellick went along with it, but he got played. Dark Army is playing everyone.

Last time they did this, it got Cisco killed.

No, Wellick, it's true, Joanna is dead. Santiago, you're a piece of shit.

Well that escape went well.

What does Whiterose have which makes Angela believe this?

You just got fucked, Phillip.

Get out of there, now. They are going to use you for another attack.

They framed both of them. This isn't a terrorist cell, you fucks!

At least DiPierro sees what is really happening here.
 

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I will never get over this
This is one criticism I have of Mr Robot. I realize there is an element of 'realism', but sometimes characters storylines get cut very unceremoniously seemingly for little reason other than to just cut their storyline so that they don't have to deal with them anymore. The story does this several times and it gets annoying.
 

TheKeyPit

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Oct 27, 2017
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Binging Mr. Robot might actually be the best option to watch the series. Leaves no room for much speculation between episodes/seasons.
 

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Joanna's death was a low point in the series. It felt so cheap, the hurted used boyfriend gets a gun and shots his lover while in pain... come on! That's something I've seen 100 times before.

And how the hell the car wasn't bulletproof?
 

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I actually really liked Joanna's death, as well as the shit that Tyrell runs into. I thought the point is that these games have consequences. They're rich, but not gods. One lover gets nuts and pulls a gun. In America, that's a tale as old as time. Joanna thought she was somehow immune to this sort of thing. Not so.
 

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I actually really liked Joanna's death, as well as the shit that Tyrell runs into. I thought the point is that these games have consequences. They're rich, but not gods. One lover gets nuts and pulls a gun. In America, that's a tale as old as time. Joanna thought she was somehow immune to this sort of thing. Not so.

You don't need to be a god to not being shot down by someone whose reaction you could have easily predicted, just need to be rich. I remember watching the scene and when the driver guy went out I was like "what the fuck that guy probably has a gun" and when he beat the shit out of him I thought "well, he's a professional. He probably did an ocular patdown and assessed the guy was no threat". Then when he pulls a gun I was just "came one, what the fuck, that was so obvious".

It's exactly because it's a tale as old as time it's so cheap. I expected better of Joanna. She was a wonderful character, but she went out like a nobody.
 
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Really enjoying these updates

Watching the whole thing over 3 days is maybe a bit extreme, but this is definitely a series for binging. I took a long break after S3, wanted to start S4 and realized I had forgotten half of it. Wanted to check out a few key scenes again and ended up rewatching everything.
It's pretty crazy how scattered all the important stuff really is. If you just want to remember what actually happened on the night of the hack, you still need to sift through half the series.

This is one criticism I have of Mr Robot. I realize there is an element of 'realism', but sometimes characters storylines get cut very unceremoniously seemingly for little reason other than to just cut their storyline so that they don't have to deal with them anymore. The story does this several times and it gets annoying.

Love the series, but same. With some characters it seems like they didn't have a plan for them. Which is jarring, because everything around Elliott and the main plot was clearly mapped out from the start to an insane degree.

From reading interviews with Sam Esmail I think I understand the reason, though. He first wrote Mr Robot as a film script and turned it into a series later. And he's said that he prefers the series, because the format allowed him to explore all these different characters, while the film would have been mainly about Elliott... but also, he's said that the ending of the show is still how he envisioned it for the film.

And that's what it feels like, sometimes. Like characters are moved out of the way, just to move on with the original plan for the story, that was written before they were added.
 
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Season 3 episode 8

Barely any reaction, Mr Robot must have been an awful father.

Don't be so fucking gullible, VOX.

Nuking his setup again.

Damn, so Evil Corp still survived. You need people around you, Elliot, now more tnan ever.

I liked that jacket, but this is far from the end of Mr Robot.

Oh shit, not the morphine again. Elliot's not a cop, asshole.

Damn right they made it up. You'd think his own family wouldn't believe that shit.

At least Trenton's family know she's innocent. It's sadly very true the US constantly demonises and scapegoats Muslims.

Is that Trenton's brother? This kid needs to say the BTTF trilogy.

The kid snuck off, I hope he got home ok.

Fuck, that was raw.

Unfortunately, kid, I doubt the US is ready to accept the idea of a Muslim president. The racism is far too deeply embedded for that.

He had a key this whole time? You might have saved his life, kid, so it's worth it.

Sucks he had to do that, but at least Mobley will get a proper funeral.

This has to be foreshadowing whatever Whiterose has in store.

I thought the Jacket got burned.

I'm glad he didn't get rid of the dog.
 
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3x8 has some of the best scenes of the season. I still remember that walled off conversation with Angela bringing the tears. Great music choice too.
 
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Season 3 episode 9.

Phillip has some connection to Angela, are they related? It's possible her mother had an affair with him.

Sorry, Wellick, you might be suffering now, but I'm viewing this as karma for every evil thing you did.

A deal with Dark Army is not going to pay off for you, Wellick.

This is their riskiest task so far.

I can see Irving as a shady user car dealer. Going back to Whiterose is not what i expected.

She just scanned DiPierro's ID. Of course the Feds have their shit encrypted, so Darlene gets zip.

Leon, Angela has no idea just how dangerous he is.

Wellick finally got the CTO job. But he'll have no real power.

Now that's a proper safe, a lot better than the one Darlene got the rich guy's gun from. Does make getting the ID a lot tougher.

Looks like Elliot is on his own with this.

How did she get the code for the safe so easily. DiPierro sharp enough to see through it, though. Good luck fetting out of this one, Darlene.

Trying to take down Dark Army is going to put a target on their heads.

Santiago's excuses are falling apart. He nedds to get exposed.

Darlene is about to get whacked in the FBI field office.

Even Dark Army can't get around customs.

Looks like Dark Army are wise to Elliot's plan. They're going to try to kill him.
 
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Season 3 episode 10.

That empty apartment saved his life.

DiPierro follow your gut, you know this is all wrong. Hopefully she comes found fast. But it's not looking good for Darlene.

Seeing classic arcade cabinets getting broken hurts my soul. I'm not sure Elliot has enough time to find Santiago before he kills Darlene.

This is a dumb move by Santiago, now Darlene has a better chance with DiPierro there. Nothing is guaranteed, but the odds are better.

Do not go anywhere with Irving.

Angela, what are you doing?

This is where Wellick was kept.

Santiago pushing his luck, they'll probably kill him.

Had a feeling that was going to happen, fuck you, Santiago.

No she doesn't belong to you. DiPierro will not give up that easily.

You will answer for this, Irving, not yet, but one day.

Not Whiterose herself. It's do or die, now.

Phillip's is Angela's real dad, I am convinced of it.

Getting out of this is not going to be easy. Blackmailing Dark Army, that's one hell of a gambit.

I fucking knew it!

Damn, Leon.

Maybe Angela will finally see the error of her ways.

I'm tearing up here.

Revenge is not the answer, Angela.

If anyone can pull this off, it's Elliot.

You have a lot of blood on your hands, Angela.

DiPierro holding nothing back.

So who did the data go to?

This changes things, Elliot jumped through the window.

Taking down those people will be a Herculean challenge.

I always thought the ending the original Superman film made no sense.

OK, now what kind of blowback is this going to cause, giving Evil Corp back their data.

Vera is back, oh shit.
 
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Season 4 episode 1.

Angela, you knew too much.

Whiterose about to target Darlene again to try and control Elliot.

Who the fuck is this paedo? I hope he gets taken down.

Wellick didn't do shit, you gullible pricks.

Dark Army have their claws into this lawyer.

So he's moving money for the Dark Army.

Targeting their money is one way to get Dark Army's attention.

He'll have to find John Garcin sone other way now.

This is what you deserve, Wellick.

DiPierro feeling the stress, big time.

No way a building would sit empty for that long in the shark tank that is the New York real estate market.

Getting to Garcin is going take some effort.

Taking down Whiterose might be the tallest task, yet.

Darlene is having trouble accepting what happened to Angela, she's been through too much.

Garcin left his door open, weird. No one has been in this place for months. Elliot just walked into a trap.

Could this meal be any more awkward?

Janice is DiPierro's Dark Army handler, no other way she could have known about Santiago.

Darlene get a hold of yourself, this self destruction is not helping.

Oh shit, they're going to force Elliot to overdose.

Fuck, get yourself some help. Elliot. You don't have long.

Phillip, I bet he wants to use Elliot for revenge for Angela.
 

SofNascimento

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The beginning of episode 4x01 is just brutal. At first you think it's a recap and then suddenly you realize you're seeing new stuff. And you know Angela is digging her grave.

Angela...

Also, one thing that is quite incredible about Mr. Robot is just how unrelenting it is. There isn't a moment where you feel there is a status quo, where things seems to be going in a predictable way. Like in the beginning of this episode Elliot seems to be in control, seems to be doing his thing, but it doesn't last long. It's like that guy said, people in this show just stumble foward, they don't have the time to get up.

Also also, generally it's always easy to tell what a win looks like for the protagonist. There were moments in this series I had no idea what a win looked like. I had no idea what to expect so any outcome was as likely as the other.
 

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Recently finished this after stopping halfway through s3 a while back and leaving it.

Amazing show with a fantastic ending, all I'm going to say.
 

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Edit: oh yeah, Angela's death. Oof, super fucking rough to watch. What a character arc. She got broken mentally worse than most characters

she went out like a nobody.

Right, this is what I enjoyed. She thought she was somehow immune to this sort of thing, but nope. Like a mob boss getting killed by a drunk driver. Shit happens, better luck in the next life
 

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Right, this is what I enjoyed. She thought she was somehow immune to this sort of thing, but nope. Like a mob boss getting killed by a drunk driver. Shit happens, better luck in the next life
It was exactly how it should happen. Just because a person is a character, a quick brutal death in the heat of the moment is far better than some drawn out thing for the sake of drama. Could also be as you say, a sudden accident wiping out a person who felt invulnerable.

It was pretty much perfectly done. I also loved the little spurt of action being used so sparingly.
 

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Right, this is what I enjoyed. She thought she was somehow immune to this sort of thing, but nope. Like a mob boss getting killed by a drunk driver. Shit happens, better luck in the next life

If she was killed by a drunk driver it would have been much better. To be more precise in my comment, it's not as much as she died quickly or in a common way, but that that particular instance is something she could have predicted. But maybe I'm giving her too much credit.
 
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Season 4 episode 2.

They must have used CGI or deepfakes to pull this off.

It is true that their internet has destroyed privacy.

Anything is possible, Phillip.

Stay focussed, Darlene.

What does their mother have?

Don't lie for Santiago please, DiPierro.

Yes, take away their power, DiPierro.

Goddamn it, DiPierro!!

Someone please take down that creepy woman Janice.

There will be time for mourning later, got to get Whiterose first.

Right to the point.

At minimum they need to see what's in there.

That's no suicide.

You'd be surprised at how people deal with grief, if affects everyone differently.

Whiterose won't just let you quit, Phillip.

So this how to get them all in one place.

He doesn't know Susan is dead, this could complicate things.

Now they have to deal with Vera as well as Whiterose.

Another personality in his head?
 

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Fantastic show. This was a fun thread to catch up on. Glad you seem to enjoying the ride, OP.
 

astro

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If she was killed by a drunk driver it would have been much better. To be more precise in my comment, it's not as much as she died quickly or in a common way, but that that particular instance is something she could have predicted. But maybe I'm giving her too much credit.
The show is full of very smart people falling to overconfidence and oversight, it happens to Elliot, Darlene, Tyrell, Joanna, Dom, Angela, Whiterose, Philip, Janet...

One thing I love about this show is that it shows just how fallible these people are, and how their grand schemes and quick-witted actions can so easily fall apart in the moment. As someone said above, the show constantly keeps you on your toes, and just as you feel it might settle into some kind of routine or a scenario might play out perfectly, something happens in a naturalistic way (within the rules of its set universe, of course) that reminds you just how fragile everything really is.

Like how
Whiterose's plan never comes to fruition, and Elliot's mind prison at the end acts as a fake out thinking her machine worked

Things often build up and suddenly crash down before you'd expect, in an abrupt and sudden end, but to me it never feels like it was wasted but part of the momentum of all these forces crashing into one another, all being dragged along by their collective currents.

This is encapsulated with the shows hugely atmospheric music being used and constantly being abruptly stopped mid swell as another scene slams into view.

It's something unique about this show, chaotic but with constant forward motion and while it sometimes takes hindsight to see how it was all planned, the random and abrupt things never feel thoughtless.

Anyway, I felt like you did that surely she could have seen it coming, was sad to see her time end where it did, was enjoying her arc... but that it made me feel those things was a positive, imo, as it really did hit me just like all the other abrupt endings to characters and things.
 
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Season 4 episode 3.

They're going to reverse engineer your shit, IBM, and ditch you.

I'm glad he isn't transphobic.

I have a Casio F91-W, that's very similar to that watch.

Sadly arranged marriages are still very common. Same with countries that kill or imprison gay people.

Damn, Zhang cut her own throat.

Whiterose about to strike first.

Wellick as CEO is a dangerous proposition for everyone.

Krysta gave that scumbag Lenny another chance. I can't blame her for wanting to be away from Elliot.

Asides from Leon and Ray, that guy might be the only major black character. Unless it turns out to be nothing.

Now they try their hand at pickpocketing. Or try to pick her up.

Fuck you, Vera. So this guy is one of Vera's. Oh shit, he's going to go after Krysta to get to Elliot. Damn, the kid didn't need to see that.

I like Olivia, I hope she doesn't get killed. You missed your chance, Evan, now walk away.

Let's hope this goes better for Elliot then when Darlene tried this On DiPierro.

You're not crazy, Olivia.

What are you playing at, Wellick?
 

SofNascimento

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The show is full of very smart people falling to overconfidence and oversight, it happens to Elliot, Darlene, Tyrell, Joanna, Dom, Angela, Whiterose, Philip, Janet...

One thing I love about this show is that it shows just how fallible these people are, and how their grand schemes and quick-witted actions can so easily fall apart in the moment. As someone said above, the show constantly keeps you on your toes, and just as you feel it might settle into some kind of routine or a scenario might play out perfectly, something happens in a naturalistic way (within the rules of its set universe, of course) that reminds you just how fragile everything really is.

Like how Whiterose's plan
never comes to fruition, and Elliot's mind prison at the end acts as a fake out thinking her machine worked

Things often build up and suddenly crash down before you'd expect, in an abrupt and sudden end, but to me it never feels like it was wasted but part of the momentum of all these forces crashing into one another, all being dragged along by their collective currents.

This is encapsulated with the shows hugely atmospheric music being used and constantly being abruptly stopped mid swell as another scene slams into view.

It's something unique about this show, chaotic but with constant forward motion and while it sometimes takes hindsight to see how it was all planned, the random and abrupt things never feel thoughtless.

Anyway, I felt like you did that surely she could have seen it coming, was sad to see her time end where it did, was enjoying her arc... but that it made me feel those things was a positive, imo, as it really did hit me just like all the other abrupt endings to characters and things.

I think that was me.

So needless to say I agree with you. I was going to mention exactly how many times people plans fall apart as an argument to defend her death but got tired! I mean, I remember watching that dinner/bathroom scene in S1 and thinking just how in control the Wellick couple was, just for in the next episode everything falls apart (and then falls apart even further).

Maybe I'm being to harsh on her death, but it didn't quite feel as well executed as other moments in the show. And we're talking about a show with some of the most amazing, powerful deaths I've seen.