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LTTP: Bloodstained....people think this game looks ugly? LOL

hikarutilmitt

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It looks fine enough, but I also wasn't honestly all that bothered by how it looked before they redid textures and added a million goddamned light sources all over the place.

Which platform are you playing it on, BTW? The Switch version definitely is a downgrade graphically and so far the best place to play it is on PC for almost every reason.
 
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Isamu

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Guys trust me when I tell you that I too, was very disappointed that Iga didn't make Bloodstained a pure 2D Sprite/Bitmapped game. I'm probably the biggest 2D whore on this whole forum and play old retro games at least 50% of the time, so I know what it's like to want an Igavania be 100% 2D. That being said, what can ya do? The man and his team aren't made of money and from I understand making a gorgeous 2D game filled with beautiful pixel art and backgrounds requires a team with an extraordinary budget. Am I way off base on this assumption?

Anyway I should have mentioned I'm playing on PC. Laptop with a 1050Ti, all settings maxed out and getting a rock solid 60fps. So I suppose that may be why I think it looks so good.

On a side note, can someone name some other metroidvanias available on steam that look better than Bloodstained?
 

Kris1977

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Does this game actually run fine now performance wise? I heard it was quite ropey in places on PS4. Does this mean the pro too? As if I bought it , it'd be for the pro
 
Bucca

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Isamu said:
Guys trust me when I tell you that I too, was very disappointed that Iga didn't make Bloodstained a pure 2D Sprite/Bitmapped game. I'm probably the biggest 2D whore on this whole forum and play old retro games at least 50% of the time, so I know what it's like to want an Igavania be 100% 2D. That being said, what can ya do? The man and his team aren't made of money and from I understand making a gorgeous 2D game filled with beautiful pixel art and backgrounds requires a team with an extraordinary budget. Am I way off base on this assumption?

Anyway I should have mentioned I'm playing on PC. Laptop with a 1050Ti, all settings maxed out and getting a rock solid 60fps. So I suppose that may be why I think it looks so good.

On a side note, can someone name some other metroidvanias available on steam that look better than Bloodstained?
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Hollow Knight. Ori.
 
III-V

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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Love this game. It's a fair criticism to mention that it is inconsistent and doesn't stay on narrative and is too easily broken. Otherwise, the game is a damn legend. I'll be coming back to this one years from now. It's just too much fun.
 
Hu3

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Isamu said:
Guys trust me when I tell you that I too, was very disappointed that Iga didn't make Bloodstained a pure 2D Sprite/Bitmapped game. I'm probably the biggest 2D whore on this whole forum and play old retro games at least 50% of the time, so I know what it's like to want an Igavania be 100% 2D. That being said, what can ya do? The man and his team aren't made of money and from I understand making a gorgeous 2D game filled with beautiful pixel art and backgrounds requires a team with an extraordinary budget. Am I way off base on this assumption?

Anyway I should have mentioned I'm playing on PC. Laptop with a 1050Ti, all settings maxed out and getting a rock solid 60fps. So I suppose that may be why I think it looks so good.

On a side note, can someone name some other metroidvanias available on steam that look better than Bloodstained?
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- hollow knight
-blasphemous
-ori and the blind forest
-death gambits
 
Hella

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Oct 27, 2017
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There is a certain surreal, dreamlike quality to Bloodstained's visuals... but it's still hideous. It looks kinda like an HD remaster of a much older game; and not intentionally.
 
Leviathan

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Yes, people think it looks terrible. It can still be an amazing game that many people will enjoy and be visually disappointing.
 
FFNB

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I like how it looks, and thinks it looks great the vast majority of the time. The only thing that is a little distracting are the backer portraits, and some of the enemies based off of backer pets. Everything else looks damn good. The polish pass they did during the final stretch of development really paid off, I think.
 
leng jai

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Nov 2, 2017
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The art style is ugly as sin to me. Having a wallpaper with HUD elements on it must be taking the piss.
 
Gundam

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Even stylish games can look ugly. I love the new Killer Instinct and most of the time it looks fantastic, but sometimes the character models/faces/something looks cheap.

It also doesn't help a bloodstained that it's in a genre that's packed with absolutely stunning looking games right now.
 

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It looks acceptable and sometimes even great but the character designs are fucking hideous and gaudy. Sometimes the enemy models made me think I was playing an unfinished Castlevania with like tentative/placeholder models. The gameplay is identical to previous igavanias and that's all I wanted anyway.
 

martincrimson87

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Yeah, looks like one of those high end indie games from the 360 era. And as one user said before, the models clash with the backgrunds.
 
SugarNoodles

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I mean have you seen the animation and camera work?

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Like, come on. It legit looks like a PSX game in every way other than textures.

Look at the teleportation animation for the the stained glass. It's trash.
 
skeezx

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Oct 27, 2017
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game looks fine to me. some earlier footage made me iffy but i don't recall playing it and thinking "damn these are some gimped ass production values" [fake edit: menu UI does look like it was made by one dude on Gamemaker or some shit]

in a perfect world it'd look like a vanillaware game but we're not in a perfect world. IMO good enough
 
blitzblake

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From what I've seen, the enemy designs look like they were done by the kids of the developers. And they're about as consistent as you'd expect.
 
Strat

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Having a wallpaper with HUD elements on it is like those old people who take pictures of other pictures on their computer with their phone.
 
Baccus

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It looks kinda bad but it's a reaaaaally fantastic game that sits worthy besides SOTN so.. Who cares.
 
RedSwirl

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Oct 25, 2017
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When I first saw screenshots I originally didn't like the way it looked either, but I tried it out for a minute on game pass and something about the graphics actually works.

It has kind of a Street Fighter 4 & 5 feel about it if you know what I mean. Not just in terms of graphics but in the way the graphics affect the overall sense of feedback. Kinda hard to describe.
 
Keyser S

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In a perfect world I would have loved them to take some cues from Guilty Gear, but I know that is an impossible ask, and a crazy amount of work to get anywhere near for this type of game.

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Fredrik

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Oct 27, 2017
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Thanks for reminding me to keep going, I'm playing it through Game Pass and I've been enjoying it a lot so far, feels like Castlevania SOTN.
 
JohannCK

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Bloodstained was finally released in Japan today after multiple delays.

The US release of the game has Japanese language options implemented to begin with and has been available in import stores for months for the same price as what the Japanese release it set at. Many people already bought that version, while others have went and bought the official Japanese release today.

Japanese Kickstarter backers on the other hand have not yet gotten the game.

They only sent this e-mail out today:

Hello everyone,


We have an update to provide you regarding delivery of Japanese copies of the game to backers both in Japan and globally. Copies of the game have begun shipping this week, and will continue to do so in the coming weeks, depending on platform and circumstantial logistics. XB1 copies will be the first to arrive, and PS4 & Switch Japanese copies of the game for backers outside of Japan will be arriving last. We will also be sending digital copies of the game as soon as they're available in the coming weeks. If you don't receive your package or a shipping confirmation right away there's no cause for concern, it's just the normal processing of the production queue. We will also be providing all backers with an extra digital copy of the game for your respective platform to thank you for your patience and apologize for these unexpected delays.


For any other backer support requests, please contact Fangamer at [email protected].


- The Bloodstained team at 505 Games, ArtPlay, GSE, and Fangamer
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Note that they say that they will give backers digital codes as an "apology". Emphasis on "will" because they haven't yet, despite the game already having been released.
 
thebigword

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I'm playing it now with Gamepass, and while I think the art is inconsistent, it hasn't stopped me from playing. It's an incredible game. Gameplay is KING. I haven't enjoyed this kind of game since SOTN.
 
Nacery

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I wish Miriam (and a few other female characters to some extent) didn't had that ridiculously huge (and also badly modelled) chest. Also wish they had chosen 2D artwork for character conversations instead with the rough 3D models (like Indivisible and Shantae did with different sprites for every emotion though character boxes like in classic Castlevania titles would also worked well).
 
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eXistor

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's pure kitsch. Some area's look fine, others are ugly as fuck. Overall it's okay. Fun game though, that's most important.
 
SixelAlexiS

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I don't think it looks ugly, it is ugly:

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Yes, is have parts where it looks decent, but overall is a crime for eyes.

It would be salvageable with someone that know anything about lighting, since assets aren't completely bad.
But yeah, lighting in Bloodstained is the first major culprit.
 
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Kapryov

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's unfortunately uneven, but can look really good in some rooms.
The character/enemy art is clearly not meant to be seen as close up as it gets sometimes... but the environment looks awesome sometimes.

Overall I'm happy enough with it.
It might be my game of the year.
 
Nacery

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SixelAlexiS said:
I don't think it looks ugly, it is ugly:

Yes, is have parts where it looks decent, but overall is a crime for eyes.

It would be salvageable with someone that know anything about lightning, since assets aren't completely bad.
But yeah, lightning in Bloodstained is the first major culprit.
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In my case I cranked the gamma down and it looked quite better
 
LuckyLinus

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SixelAlexiS said:
I don't think it looks ugly, it is ugly:

bloodstained-ritual-of-the-night-wallpaper-5.jpg


Yes, is have parts where it looks decent, but overall is a crime for eyes.

It would be salvageable with someone that know anything about lightning, since assets aren't completely bad.
But yeah, lightning in Bloodstained is the first major culprit.
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Honestly it doesnt look anything like this on my tv, this is way too bright and washed out. The game looks decent with the right settings.
 
Coxy

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Oct 28, 2017
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Struggle to take any thread seriously which has 'lol' in the title but yes, personally I couldn't get on with the game, for reasons including the look.
 
ShinNL

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SixelAlexiS said:
I don't think it looks ugly, it is ugly:

bloodstained-ritual-of-the-night-wallpaper-5.jpg


Yes, is have parts where it looks decent, but overall is a crime for eyes.

It would be salvageable with someone that know anything about lighting, since assets aren't completely bad.
But yeah, lighting in Bloodstained is the first major culprit.
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I'm sour about the Switch release and still waiting for the update in November before I touch the game, but this is simply unfair and unwarranted.


You linked a screenshot from the beta demo, see timestamp of the exact same scene in the DF video. So you're 100% bullshit.
 
Wamb0wneD

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Oct 26, 2017
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Having fans design monsters was a mistake. 2.5D was a mistake. The lighting is wildly inconsistent. Nah dude, I'm fine. Game is fugly.
 
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Isamu

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Beat the 8BO yesterday. My goodness what a problem boss. And yeah that screenshot posted is bullshit. My game looks tons better. I'm thinking most people complaining are playing it on console. Maxed out on PC it looks gorgeous.
 
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