Well I'm putting myself and Monkey on the block here. So Why not vote Sorian with us :)
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Love Boat 3 Mafia |OT| This time it's Bearsonal
- Thread starter The Bear
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Well I'm putting myself and Monkey on the block here. So Why not vote Sorian with us :)
I moved off them yesterday. I went after both halves of Katsune. But today, with Sorian's continued focus on himself when he wasn't focused on the gossips, and B-Dubs' lack of content + shift in play, yes, I'm voting there. I will post updated reads in the morning. I continue to be interested in anyone giving me a concrete reason why S-Dubs is pro-town in any way.
^^
unless Sorian is your scummate, blob.
you've slipped past before as scum.
if it makes you feel any better id kill sorian before you but not by much
So kill Sorian and then us, win-win?
You're not getting that bae lunch off regardless :P
if we believe bae and malus, which for now i am, we had three town wagons yesterday and in that light some of my worries about Sorian disperse. As for b-dubs, yeah, he hasn't been much of a presence either way for me so I'm letting my reads on Sorian speak for the team for now. You want to make a case there, go for it, but I'm not going to spin my wheels worrying about him when there are other things I'm interested in at the moment
Stan/FEP done. Bit down on this boat, but it's kind of a gaping void. FEP is a ghost D1 and Stan is a ghost D2 (so far). It seems like they're not really communicating much which is mainly pertinent in that it is leading to them being that much more nebulous as they don't seem to ever be on the same page. Couple of things I want to follow up on though:
You mention that you wouldn't want the gossips to be outted today - do you believe it to be a town role then? In your post you didn't really specify.
You went in-depth on Stu D1 and that read seemed to stick with you through the rest of the day. When you catch up, can I get some updated thoughts on Dr. Stu? Do you have any scumreads at this point? You mentioned some concern about Sorian and the late votes, but I imagine your thoughts may have evolved with the continued events of this phase.
Can you walk me through what all changed in your thoughts on Sorian in between these posts? In the initial one it seems like you're arguing that the vote shift could have just as easily been town panicking as opposed to scum machinations. Why then does the green check change your perspective on Sorian?
You mention that you wouldn't want the gossips to be outted today - do you believe it to be a town role then? In your post you didn't really specify.
Oh now this is good, I've been looking forward to playing that dog lol.
This still doesn't explain how your worries about Sorian are gone though?
100% need to read over stuff
i watched some of day 1 but dropped off
I generally like how Fantomas is voting, but I'm seeing why people are voting for Sorian/B-dubs.
From my point of view, Sorian played a normal day 1. Of all things Sorian is consistent regardless of alignment for day 1.
That leaves b-dubs and day 2. And I'll admit I am struggling with this game so I'll not hold b-dubs to any activity monitor.
Day 2 just reads differently with sorian's Play than day 1. I get the rooting around for the gossiping kidnappers. It fits a playstyle and could be useful in a misinformation way i it's a scum role. I think they are likely town but I can understand the roofing. So the rexi vote mid day works.
I can understand falling back on the previous days votes when your initial target isn't removed. None of your reasoning has changed so it makes sense as a start.
Which is what Sorian said, a start.
I'm just wondering why you switched back.
From my point of view, Sorian played a normal day 1. Of all things Sorian is consistent regardless of alignment for day 1.
That leaves b-dubs and day 2. And I'll admit I am struggling with this game so I'll not hold b-dubs to any activity monitor.
Day 2 just reads differently with sorian's Play than day 1. I get the rooting around for the gossiping kidnappers. It fits a playstyle and could be useful in a misinformation way i it's a scum role. I think they are likely town but I can understand the roofing. So the rexi vote mid day works.
I can understand falling back on the previous days votes when your initial target isn't removed. None of your reasoning has changed so it makes sense as a start.
Which is what Sorian said, a start.
I'm just wondering why you switched back.
Green check would then mean it was definitely not a scum machination to save a scummate, which for now is good enough. I'll accept he was speaking honestly at day end about concern of everyone being too content. Seems pretty straightforward to me, no idea why this needs to be explained.
As far as the gossips, something with the whole thing stinks. But I'm hoping we'll be able to see which part it is by tomorrow and I think it's best for them to stay hidden today. I'll want them outted bright and early tomorrow though
good luck, science doggo! it's only... 2500 posts. >.>
(You can probably start with d2. I think most of us determined that EoD 1 doesn't give us much and since you're part of that set that was up, it especially means less for you.)
For me, I have the problem that I am the sort of person who reads people as town easily. I am a naturally trusting person. If I didn't know better, I would think everyone in this game is town.
But I do know better. There are a bunch of people in this thread who are actively seeking to decieve me. So in order to find them, I try and re-evaluate my reads on a regular basis. If I town-read someone on Day 1, I try to re-examine that read on day 2.
I know that your frustration is genuine. However, I also learned during my stint as scum in PR mafia that there are few things as frustrating as being attacked by town over stuff that you consider innocent as a member of scum team. So I can't really afford to back down from my suspicions. That's my job as part of town.
Somewhat, but not quite as much as Dr. Monkey. You have been more actively engaging various players for reads and such.
If it helps, the reason that my vote is on Sorian rather than the two of you is because B-Dubs is someone I scum read way worse than you. B-Dubs acted very strangely on day 1 with that defensive outburst, and otherwise has had a lot of tunnelvision today.
It doesn't mean he's not scum leaning on what he knows, though. I think half the scum team in Mafiera did that at one point.
What do you think of Dubs partner then?
I ask for the same reason I asked if you're scum reading me. This is still a pair game and I'd like to know thoughts on both of the pair.
Apologies if I misunderstood your post on the topic at day start then. It read to me like you arguing that Sorian's actions were scummy regardless of the vote swell for kitslor between mentioning that the voters could be town and that you didn't feel his actions were justified in the moment.
Welcome aboard. Congratulation, you have a claimed cop saying that you are a confirmed townie.
Dude, by all means, suspect away. What I object to is you saying I haven't been clear on why I have you in my town pile. I have. Part of it is that we were scum together, in fact, as I mentioned.
If you don't think my reasons were specific enough, say that. It's not what you said. With what you said, it looks like you either missed several posts or are trying to push a line of shady monkey with all the other people throwing shade. So look, now we can all reassess our reads of one another.
PB and malus soft claimed PR but indicated probably cop at day end. Overnight they checked you guys - you and AB - and got a town result. Bae was also snatched by a pair of gossip thieves, though, who reportedly removed her from her chat so she could not talk with malus.
Sorian has been acting downright oddly. He has been hyper-focused on only a few issues, and has been trying to fish out the identities of the gossip thieves, whom I think are more likely to be town than scum. Sorian has also been strangely self-absorbed with his stuff, like he is intentionally courting a scummy read from other players. He also hasn't been scum hunting very aggressively. It is a bunch of red flags for me.
Sorry, something came up that pulled me away for the past few hours, did a quickish skim and just pulled select stuff and I'm going to need to sleep now:
I've been scum reading Natiko and Terra for all of today (which is a shame since I was so close to locking them town yesterday), you can find my posts on this around day start, I think Terra was likely to be parked scum propping up the TyBro vote and Natiko in general has seemed more agenda driven, I'm blanking on some stuff from earlier in the day but some of his arguments surrounding why the gossip must be town we're just built in straw men on top of straw men forever and it seems weirdly defensive over that role.
It's funny, you go your whole post without ever actually calling me scum, everything is "anti-town" or "hurts town." You know I'm not scum and it messes with your ability sub consciously to lie about it. You're so transparent and still people are just dancing around voting for you. Half the shit in this post doesn't matter, I pointed out a breadcrumb, yeah beat that dead horse and pretend you didn't notice it (even though your lover did), I made an offhand comment about why I think Fran died when posts were light and people were spinning wheels on the same conversation, the horror. I'm PR hunting instead of scum hunting, yes, because I am actively trying to get the PR that I think is scum killed.
And then, of course the kicker, I'm filling the chat with noise and not scum hunting. Is it noise because you are my top suspect? Because I get the feeling this two day long OMGUS would suddenly disappear if I started town reading you.
I said it to someone else (Vere?) and I'll say it to you too. Yikes if you actually think Monkey/Stu and Me/Dubs are scum/scum. That is such a terrible read on the situation that I'm not sure you can salvage anything if you are actually town.
Yeah fuck it, I'm tired and I'll blow up the obvious spot. I switched back to Monkey/Stu because they are either the gossips or know who the gossips are. They cared WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than they needed to once I started saying that role must be scum. Like, disagree, fine, Bae clearly does, Natiko does (though I think he knows who they are too), others have also seemed to lean more town on the role as well but both Monkey and Stu are trying to smother hardcore that the role must be scum. At least Monkey mildly stepped back and realized she was defending too hard but Stu definitely hasn't and honestly, that sounds about right for that pairing, their ass was showing regardless though.
Hi Fat4all welcome to the shit show.
I'm going to see what got posted while typing this then I'm going to bed.
I've been scum reading Natiko and Terra for all of today (which is a shame since I was so close to locking them town yesterday), you can find my posts on this around day start, I think Terra was likely to be parked scum propping up the TyBro vote and Natiko in general has seemed more agenda driven, I'm blanking on some stuff from earlier in the day but some of his arguments surrounding why the gossip must be town we're just built in straw men on top of straw men forever and it seems weirdly defensive over that role.
It's funny, you go your whole post without ever actually calling me scum, everything is "anti-town" or "hurts town." You know I'm not scum and it messes with your ability sub consciously to lie about it. You're so transparent and still people are just dancing around voting for you. Half the shit in this post doesn't matter, I pointed out a breadcrumb, yeah beat that dead horse and pretend you didn't notice it (even though your lover did), I made an offhand comment about why I think Fran died when posts were light and people were spinning wheels on the same conversation, the horror. I'm PR hunting instead of scum hunting, yes, because I am actively trying to get the PR that I think is scum killed.
And then, of course the kicker, I'm filling the chat with noise and not scum hunting. Is it noise because you are my top suspect? Because I get the feeling this two day long OMGUS would suddenly disappear if I started town reading you.
I said it to someone else (Vere?) and I'll say it to you too. Yikes if you actually think Monkey/Stu and Me/Dubs are scum/scum. That is such a terrible read on the situation that I'm not sure you can salvage anything if you are actually town.
Yeah fuck it, I'm tired and I'll blow up the obvious spot. I switched back to Monkey/Stu because they are either the gossips or know who the gossips are. They cared WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than they needed to once I started saying that role must be scum. Like, disagree, fine, Bae clearly does, Natiko does (though I think he knows who they are too), others have also seemed to lean more town on the role as well but both Monkey and Stu are trying to smother hardcore that the role must be scum. At least Monkey mildly stepped back and realized she was defending too hard but Stu definitely hasn't and honestly, that sounds about right for that pairing, their ass was showing regardless though.
Hi Fat4all welcome to the shit show.
I'm going to see what got posted while typing this then I'm going to bed.
Really, though, like Sorian says himself, does it matter if the gossip duo were to be outed? As scum, would that really be a kill to prioritize?
Sure, but those are what if's I'm not interested in spinning wheels on at this second. There's enough stuff going on that there's no real need to break out yarn and tinfoil hats right now
It's my dream.
So you've got your vote on Sorian/Dubs here now, but where else are your thoughts at today? Do you agree with your partner's assessment of Sorian? Is anyone else sticking out in a Townish or Scummish way? I just feel like you haven't been around much lately, so I want to get a gauge for where the rest of your thoughts are at now, if they've changed, etc.
I think it does matter that they out themselves tomorrow, not today. I don't see the benefit of them coming out today unless you think they need to be lynched immediately. I don't think they do
It doesn't really feel like your heart is in it when someone has to prompt you to break your bad habit. The fact that you trimmed all that down to respond to just that bit really tells it all though.
I don't think it's urgent, but I also don't see why it matters if they're outed today or tomorrow. Might as well have the information to operate with today.
if it affects scum chat, yes.
one less person to coordinate with, even worse if the person taken happens to be a rather strong scum PR.
This is the precise read I posted on Sorian much earlier today, with a long post.
Are you sheeping while also calling me scum?
We are not the gossips.
I love though that you can't imagine a world in which it's just that... we don't agree with your how that role might be aligned. It has to be that we know something or that we are that role.
well I thought it was implied before, sorry I had to spell it out for you.
I agree with him that I think Sorian/Dubs are scum. Not super on board with the Dr. Stu and S-Dubs being scum/scum. (Sorry buddy. Don't mean to undermine you)
I'm a tad lost right now, to be honest. I've been trying to look at things from a different angle with taking the supposed confirmed town in good faith and I'm trying to piece together a scum team with who's left. My issue is that there's going to be someone in that team that I'm currently town reading so I need to rethink things.
Agreed here - if they take someone else, we may be able to get a better sense.
Did I go back in time or something? I thought many agreed already that Scum may have avoided incase of doc.
And yes, cutting off communication for Scum (even if they can see the scum chat, if they cant participate in it, they lose communication with their scum buddies) is good for town. I feel that the chat thieves role has more utility for town than it does for scum.
Possibly not, but I find it a strange thing to prioritize as town. As I said, I find it unlikely that they are scum. As such, it isn't like I would vote for them.
If you think they are scum, just ask Pirate Bae. If you can convince her that the gossipers are scum, you can find out.
Come on, the last game I played was ages ago, I am stuck playing this entire game on a laggy mobile interface, and I have played fewer games total than most of the players here have played over the last year. Me being a poor player should have been obvious from when signups happened.
Telling me that isn't a particularly convincing argument of anything though.
The protection thing? Let's see
We would have:
Semi-confirmed cop
semi-green checked (if you believe the cop) town
Gossip Duo
That's 3 possibilities for protection utility.
It would give scum an advantage because they would have a two in 3 shot of hitting someone that the protection role wouldn't be guarding.
so the partnered scummates don't have the same pr?
interesting
Didn't say that.
I'm focusing on the fact that it would break up communication between scummies.