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Love Boat 3 Mafia |OT| This time it's Bearsonal
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Literally who am I treating like a dick, this comment I made equals that? Are you mad? I don't care what results you saw, you forget 75% of what happened in previous games, you forgot Marvel had vanillas. Now we are dropping it.
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==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
Dr. Monkey & Stuart444 (2 votes)
Sorian - #1,826
Geno - #1,782
Sorian & B-Dubs (1 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,860
absolutbro & Ty4on (1 votes)
Natiko - #1,778
CoolestSpot & Z-Beat (0 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,787 #1,860
Not voting: FluxWaveZ, CoolestSpot, Xbro, B-Dubs, empressdonna, flatearthpandas, Reki, absolutbro, Vincent Alexander, Ty4on, Dr. Monkey, Kyanrute, Brazil, Funky Dude Sparks, Verelios, Fantomas, TheChuggernaut, rac, Apollo, SkyOdin, Pirate Bae, Stantastic, Z-Beat, Zippedpinhead, malus, Terraforce
Post Counts:
Stuart444: 27 CoolestSpot: 17 Geno: 10 Fantomas: 9 Natiko: 8 Sorian: 7 TheChuggernaut: 7 Z-Beat: 6 Vincent Alexander: 6 Brazil: 4 Terraforce: 4 flatearthpandas: 4 SkyOdin: 4 rac: 3 Pirate Bae: 2 empressdonna: 2 absolutbro: 2 Verelios: 1 Xbro: 1 Dr. Monkey: 1
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Day Start
Dr. Monkey & Stuart444 (2 votes)
Sorian - #1,826
Geno - #1,782
Sorian & B-Dubs (1 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,860
absolutbro & Ty4on (1 votes)
Natiko - #1,778
CoolestSpot & Z-Beat (0 votes)
Not voting: FluxWaveZ, CoolestSpot, Xbro, B-Dubs, empressdonna, flatearthpandas, Reki, absolutbro, Vincent Alexander, Ty4on, Dr. Monkey, Kyanrute, Brazil, Funky Dude Sparks, Verelios, Fantomas, TheChuggernaut, rac, Apollo, SkyOdin, Pirate Bae, Stantastic, Z-Beat, Zippedpinhead, malus, Terraforce
Post Counts:
Stuart444: 27 CoolestSpot: 17 Geno: 10 Fantomas: 9 Natiko: 8 Sorian: 7 TheChuggernaut: 7 Z-Beat: 6 Vincent Alexander: 6 Brazil: 4 Terraforce: 4 flatearthpandas: 4 SkyOdin: 4 rac: 3 Pirate Bae: 2 empressdonna: 2 absolutbro: 2 Verelios: 1 Xbro: 1 Dr. Monkey: 1
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Yeah. I would've been dropping a vote on them if they didn't reveal their role, mostly because Bae claimed they would. Glad she followed up, but...with such a powerful role, I wish she held on longer yesterday before she revealed.
Yeah but you kinda see the problem with this right?
You treat Stu and others like dick by putting Scarlett letter until they yell loudly enough something they shouldn't have to like a role or some crap then you go back to them.
Im sorry for word choice, and you right I suck at these games and keeping them together, but Stu usually adds more then you do so for you to silence him was a "WOAH NELLY" move in my eyes .
Glad you know you dont care you got more blood on your hands then most mafia teams though
I wasn't clear at all. I wish she waited longer day 1 before revealing, but I should've said soft claiming. She then said she would full reveal day 2, so if she didn't then I would've dropped a vote.
Ladies, Gentlemen, and bears of the court. Yesterday was a tragedy. I come in front of you with a troubled heart and confusion regarding our direction onward. A few things stuck out to me as off kilter, whether by design or chance, and I believe if it were by design then we might have the machinators within our midst. I present to you my first person of interest, Fantomas.
Now I'm sure we all know the ever lovable 'Far out' Chloe stan Fantomas, but don't judge him on his
He opens with his usual round of questions which don't exactly get the expected response. Fantomas is unperturbed. D1 leisure? Perhaps.
We then have some friendly conversation and tic tac toe amusement. Very Max.
Moving on, it's finally time to Mafia. He runs out the gate pointing fingers at a one Dr. Monkey, former mentor, friend and confidant turned frenemy after a slew of betrayals. Nothing unusual from his content yet, and it's expected that he would be paying attention to the good Dr given their history. Once he picks up steam, Dr. Stuart can't get back up after a series of post slaps from Fantomas, which appear genuine. There's good posts, follow up questions and rebuttals. In regards to his pursuit of Monkey, I give him a nod because that's dedication.
So then in the spirit of justice, let us keep a running tally for Fantomas' thoughts.
Monkey--scummy /Stu-- Unsure
Following up on Fran, he says that he's been feeling good about him or at least his posts. Fran--Feels good. He also seems to talk about Sorian a lot which is...odd. Not AI, just odd.
He then writes up a reads list of a few people:
Which is, alright? It kind of does get me confused on how little he's working with to get these impressions which he honestly acknowledges when called out. Afterwards he talks mechanics and meta for a while. It does seem innocuous enough...however I can't help thinking...
He asks questions towards Zbeat and Fluxil but he seems to be focusing more on putting out questions than putting in thoughts ever since that read list.
Stu is still an unsure element, so consistent.
He then seems to be coming around with a more in depth reads list, which is pretty good for D1. Hm, he also sets ground for his Natiko suspicion, for when he votes for the Natforce pair later while making a case against them. He made an okay case.
But then a new day rises, and here comes the turn around. On everything. Except Chloe I guess because whatever.
Great?
So~ Monkey/Stuart= Alright
Natforce= Also alright
So who looks good to Fantomas?
Comprehensive.
But why though?
And it would be great...if he didn't flip flop at day end because of Uncle Sorian shouting to jump in the deep end with him.
So a habitual backstepper was born. Every decision made these past few days slowly came undone once day end began to roll around. Was it coincidence that Sorian was the impetus? Did it matter to Fantomas who was kicked off the island since he voted with a cavalier attitude? Did he, perhaps, already know Kitslor's alignment and therefore wanted to show a noncomittal attitude to seem townie? By saying he had no interest in the lynch, he can make the case that he wouldn't have been directing a town lynch. All good questions. But first, let us ask this.
Who is the person covertly present throughout Fantos' day and therefore interactions?
Is it Monkey? No. Even though he flip flopped on her, he was always blatantly involved with her.
Is it Stuart? No. Being continuously unsure means that you're continuously drawing attention to them.
Is it Natiko? No. An odd turn of events, but easily analyzable and therefore high profile.
Is it Chuggs? No, they have had surprisingly little interaction.
Is it Sorian? Why yes, yes it is.
Look back to the beginning of Fantomas' day of Mafia, and see what he's concerned about. He's concerned about how Monkey is attacking Sorian, concerned about how Stu is framing Sorian's breadcrumb comment, and concerned about those who began doubting Sorian. At the end of the day it's no one but Sorian who convinces Fanto to switch over to Kits based on an abject 'Be cool' comment. I can safely say, being a Butz who just says yes is never cool.
So what's going on here? Is it something more than just coincidence, something clandestine, scummy and sinister?
The verdict is out. There is a relation!
We'll see just what kind as the day goes on.
Next on the list is person of interest #2 Flux, formally called FluxWaveZ.
Because the crumbs that got you all in a tizzy were her posting detective pikachu and some other magnifying glass gif, I assumed they were bullshit and she wasn't actually going to claim cop which is why I didn't care about calling it out and also shocked no one else seemed to notice or think I was talking about something actually minutely hidden. So no, why would I push away from that?
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Ooof, imagine thinking I'm scum with Monkey and Stu and thinking that's a good read.
(In my opinion, damage was already done D1 with soft claim and making herself a potential target. And that point, she needed to follow through with her promise to reveal)
And holy shit at that Vere post. Lemme grab a drink and put my feet up. Gonna take a bit.
And holy shit at that Vere post. Lemme grab a drink and put my feet up. Gonna take a bit.
Let's break this down, then.
#1597 - Bae soft-claims
#1633 - Natiko unvotes off of Bae/Malus, votes Ty/AbBro
#1643 - Vincent unvotes off of Bae/Malus
#1648 - FEP unvotes off of Kits/Kalor (?)
#1649 - Chuggs unvotes off of Bae/Malus, votes Ty/AbBro
#1654 - Kyan unvotes off of Bae/Malus
#1666 - You start criticizing the Ty/AbBro train
At this point, we had Ty/AbBro at 9 votes, Kits/Kalor at 5 votes, and Bae/Malus at 3. Essentially, your problem was that two players had moved to Ty/AbBro. Are Natiko/Terra and Chuggs/SkyOdin scum?
#1678 - Kyan votes Coolest/Beat
#1688 - Town!Fran votes Ty/AbBro
#1691 - Ty votes Kits/Kalor
#1696 - You vote Kits/Kalor
#1711 - Town!Kalor votes Ty/AbBro
#1712 - Fanto unvotes off of Ty/AbBro, votes Kits/Kalor
#1715 - Verelios votes Kits/Kalor
#1726 - Apollo votes Kits/Kalor
#1738 - AbBro votes Kits/Kalor
Suddenly, Kits/Kalor are in the lead with 11, and Ty/AbBro are left behind with 10. Very cool.
#1747 - Zipped votes Kits/Kalor
#1754 - Reki votes Ty/AbBro
#1758 - Kyan votes Kits/Kalor
Frankly, the vote movement towards the Kits/Kalor train is (*checks notes*) about five million times more suspicious than the two ->AbBro votes that made it dawn on you that there was no way they were scum.
Not only did the late ->Ty/AbBro votes include two now-confirmed townies, but the streak of seven ->Kits/Kalor votes includes players that barely played (like Zipped), that barely commented on either candidates (like Apollo), and that tried to create a new train in the midst of all that chaos (Kyan).
There's also the small detail that Kits/Kalor actually flipped town.
If you're town, Sorian, you don't get to just brush all of this off without looking through it again.
Help me out here, because otherwise I won't be able to ever vote Monkey/Stu with a clear mind.
Why are you playing interference for the people who just silently nodded along and followed you?
Well I went too far. Sorry for being bad sport and ruining day a bit.
Also damn at Vere post, good shit
Also damn at Vere post, good shit
I mean I low post, but I don't say I'm intentionally low posting...
Anyways, Natiko, yeah I can see your logic if fanto doesn't switch and I vote similarly the absolutbro and Ty4on is the voting target.
Its still day 1, we screw up day 1 all the time. It's just as likely all of those targets were town and me voting with my partner at day end is just as crazy I we voted for AB and Ty4on as it was for kits' team.
Man, it would take a lot pulling posts if I wanted to show the relation and I'm on mobile so it would need herculean effort. I just felt at that moment that if one of Soriub and Dr.Stu were scum, then their interactions might be S/S, and Fanto's reads/actions would make a lot more sense.
Natiko is probably scum, yes. I also think there was at least one other scum already on the AB/Ty vote. Condensing it down to "only two votes moved" doesn't do it justice since it doesn't call out Kyan's frozen ass who couldn't figure out where to vote and it doesn't bother talking about the votes that were actually propping up the lynch in the first place that gave it such a commanding lead. If both choices were town, the movement doesn't matter after the fact, it can be suspicious all you want and still mean nothing.
I don't really want to read through that whole Vere post quite yet because that is so much effort put into a wrong read, but ok, let me just make the post I was about to make first lol.
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I'm feeling somewhat awkward here because I actually don't feel very passionate about my reads here coming into D2, so I don't quite have an offensive game plan. Zipped can surely tell you all that I made some very large posts in our chat last night, but they didn't really amount to a whole lot. I didn't want to burn myself out by reading through the whole thread and doing my usual thing when we have no Scum flip yet, so some of this just might be on me for not putting in as much effort as I usually do.
So, something this might be telling me is that Scum might be residing in places that I don't want to see them, or in places that I would have difficulty reading as being naturally scummy this early in the game. I could see that including people like Monkey/Stu, Sorian/B-Dubs, Natiko/Terraforce, or Brazil/Flux, all of whom are people that I would have a hard time scum reading early in the game before I can start seeing where their motivations truly are because they can put in tons of effort and appear townie regardless of their alignment.
That being said, I am here to play, if anyone wants to ask me anything, feel free. I can try to go back and put together some thoughts and put some more effort in here now like I think you all expect from me, but I don't expect that to wash away any of these reads on me based on my EoD either because I do admit it was pretty rough.
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I'm feeling somewhat awkward here because I actually don't feel very passionate about my reads here coming into D2, so I don't quite have an offensive game plan. Zipped can surely tell you all that I made some very large posts in our chat last night, but they didn't really amount to a whole lot. I didn't want to burn myself out by reading through the whole thread and doing my usual thing when we have no Scum flip yet, so some of this just might be on me for not putting in as much effort as I usually do.
So, something this might be telling me is that Scum might be residing in places that I don't want to see them, or in places that I would have difficulty reading as being naturally scummy this early in the game. I could see that including people like Monkey/Stu, Sorian/B-Dubs, Natiko/Terraforce, or Brazil/Flux, all of whom are people that I would have a hard time scum reading early in the game before I can start seeing where their motivations truly are because they can put in tons of effort and appear townie regardless of their alignment.
That being said, I am here to play, if anyone wants to ask me anything, feel free. I can try to go back and put together some thoughts and put some more effort in here now like I think you all expect from me, but I don't expect that to wash away any of these reads on me based on my EoD either because I do admit it was pretty rough.
That's exactly the kind of post that scum can make which gets them to day 5...
You two are on the scum team, huh? We'll pour one out for you when town kills you tomorrow.
Hi hi, Coolest, you used that generator in a previous game to create an image containing a message that was deleted from its server a few hours later, which made us go through cached pages to find it and put it back in the thread so the game's integrity wasn't affected. At the time you were asked to rehost the image on imgur if you were to use the generator again, so please remember that if you ever want to use it in our games, posts can't end up disappearing because of hosting issues :x
I know you put the text under spoiler, but still try not to use direct links from an unreliable image hosting site; you didn't do anything wrong, I'm just trying to avoid another problem xD
Dude What, we been in games were sum has done way more crazy shit to convience us.
On mobile, so impossible to break that massive post down and quote, but...I follow all the logic of Vere's post and can agree with a lot, EXCEPT! The spot about Fanto asking for people's reads and not giving any himself? That sounds like regular Fanto, but in a good way. Fanto regularly prods people for reads, and it's what makes him such a good townie. Now... I've not dealt with a scum Fanto though, so I can't comment how his playstyle changes. Or doesn't.
If Vere is scum, bravo...holy smokes.
looking back over d1 i assumed the breadcrumbs you saw were the brooklyn 99 gifs
why did you bring it up in the thread if you thought the breadcrumbs were bullshit?
what do you think about the role claim now?
YIKES. You right, seems on a roll today. Z-Beat, take over for me while I'm out.
I shot. Green check. The people who are responsible for what happened last night know who.
She was never any of those things to me, just wanted that stated for the record. She was a Scumlord from D1 in my first game!
It wasn't just that post from Sorian, it was the general narrative he was crafting at EoD which had infected my thinking, but yeah I can see how that final interaction looks in hindsight.
I can see where you are drawing the connection to me and Sorian, so what that really does for me here is get me interested in your read on Sorian because I do think he could very well be Scum and trying to manipulate me a bit, so if you have even half as comprehensive of a read on him as you do on me, I would love to read it.
I know but it also reads genuine and I can follow his train of thought mostly.
Didn't you already read us as scum multiple times? Where is the internal conflict if you're already scum reading us?
Your crusade to protect Tybro is so weird, and feels unjustified. Comes across as Geno tier of smugness. Do you really think we were almost at a 3 way tie between three potential mislynches? And I may have overlooked it before, but did you justify Ty's dismissive and elusive behavior, and the fact that Brazil even supported my platform by saying this is how he has acted as scum in the past (a comment Ty conveniently ignore entirely)? Behavior like this isn't how we win the game bro.
I pushed on Nat a bit yesterday, felt better about him after my interactions with him there though. Reviewed my feelings overnight, felt like that might be a spot where I was wrong.
...why can't you just say who it was then? Being quiet on a red check I could understand, but I don't see how being silent here helps us any.
There's something ironic about this kind of response after your approach to Stu D1.
I mean that's fair, but I was asked to point out who I thought may have been the scum that pushed that vote super fast and your boat and S-Dubs seem like the most likely culprits. Won't know if it's even a valid train of thought until Tybro is flipped though.
I had already explained my concerns over Tybro. Meanwhile you did a complete 180 with no reasoning and goaded the thread into following you for reasons. Do tell why the huge vote push for kitslor shouldn't be scrutinized.
I'm about to vanish as well so I can get on the road and be home in time for GoT too. If I don't show back up tonight, it's because I'm wallowing in my sorrow over the finale.
I thought they were more likely to be scum than the other vote leaders and nobody was interested in switching to Chuggernaut/SkyOdin
The two magnifying glass gifs within a page of each other stood out more obviously to me, I don't watch brooklyn 99. And it's whatever, there's a lot of coincidence behind that role claim but there is no reason to not to believe it at the moment.
Why are you trying to role fish out someone else to claim? Just claim your check, if people don't believe you then "the people responsible" can claim too at a later time.
Why do I need to justify Ty's behavior? It doesn't form the basis of my argument. I think he was acting scummy, then the votes happened and independent of Ty's actions, I don't see how he is scum here. And why would it be shocking to be in a 3 way tie between three mislynches on day 1? That's more likely to happen than not.
Scrutinize whatever you want. I'm telling you what I see, I'm scrutinize the area where I think more scum was.
I'm just catching back up, if there's a green check it'd be helpful to know who.
Ah yes. TWE bussing every single one of his teammates was A+ tier.
I do plan to reassess Sorian but I'm going to have to treat him like Damon Gant with his wilyness and take my time.
Yeah, that's all good and stuff. Maybe both trains were town, sure. But while you've had strong feelings about one of them since before the flip even happened, you don't seem to give two shits about the other one. Why is that?
I did point at Kyan - which eventually voted for Kits/Kalor, not Ty/AbBro.
You mentioned "the votes that were actually propping up the lynch in the first place that gave it such a commanding lead" before the soft-claim. Let's look at them, then. We had Terra, Xbro, and Stan, plus three town votes in Kits, Fand and I.
Since Kits/Kalor actually flipped town, what makes you think that scum was trying to counterbalance that lynch with this one? There must be a reason, since you're focusing here.
And even if you do think there's scum in there, where are them? I actually feel good about both Terra and Xbro in there, as they both discussed their suspicions of Ty at length to explain their vote, unlike, well, all of the late Kits/Kalor voters. I'll give you Stan.
But, once again, why are you so hellbent on handwaving the people who followed you into Kits/Kalor? Are you just trying to save face?
Justification is warranted when you go "hohoho you guys are totally wrong and Tybro is 100% town. Why? Dunno." You're being so smug and so sure of yourself even though clearly your logic isn't solid as you thought it was for you to be part of the reason for the mislynch from yesterday. It's outright ignorant to act as if reads are linear lines of thought. A good read is a multifaceted analysis that doesn't blindly ignore someone's character " 'cuz reasons." Especially when you want to connect dots between them and us in a scenario where your "them" is built on a foundation of bendy straws.
And the three way tie I'm not feeling with as much flip flopping there was in the votes. The Scum team could just cruise along without a care in the world if that were the case, but obviously the EoD was incredibly frantic. I find it hard to believe none of the EoD swapping around meant anything.
Yeah, not really following what the po
You mentioned that you felt scum were already on the Tybro wagon. Why do you feel scum were more likely to be there as opposed to the kitslor wagon if both are town? Who specifically do you think is the scum on the wagon? And I'm talking about prior to the Bae wagon dissolving.