Louis CK doubles down at latest comedy show: "I like to jerk off, and I don't like being alone"

1upsuper · Jan 18, 2019

Ebullientprism said:
I dont understand the the point of this part. Would it be ok if those jokes were funny? Would it still be not ok?

Are comedians supposed to check with every single audience members what their personal tragedies are?

The point is that not only are his offensive jokes unfunny and offensive with and without the context of his real life sexual misconduct, they are also clearly unresearched and rooted in nonsense. The point is to show that it's not just "snowflakes" (read: people with moral fiber) who disliked his routine. It's very generically offensive and just kinda shit. Also, going after mentally disabled kids in jokes is such a tired and lazy case of punching down that it would be terribly boring if it weren't so fucking insulting and ableist. Humor doesn't absolve an offensive joke of being offensive, nor does it make punching down worthwhile over punching up.

nel e nel · Jan 18, 2019

Kernel said:
I thought it was to entertain and make people laugh.

It's also historically been used as a tool to talk about taboo subjects and address social injustices in a disarming manner. Court jesters would often make fun of the royalty.

Arozay · Jan 18, 2019

A.By said:
There's something funny about a person who equates eating crackers with sexual assault.

There's something funny about missing a reference plus still being completely off-base with a equation.

The Citizen Kane of Games · Jan 18, 2019

How is it mansplaining if he is just explaining his view on comedy to a crowd, only because there are women in the room?

Transcribed jokes are never really funny so I can't really judge if these jokes are actually bad, I guess that's what this thread is about? Pretty funny they are paying someone to follow Louie around to transcribe all his sets though.

Deleted member 2809 · Jan 18, 2019

The Citizen Kane of Games said:
How is it mansplaining if he is just explaining his view on comedy to a crowd, only because there are women in the room?

Transcribed jokes are never really funny so I can't really judge if these jokes are actually bad, I guess that's what this thread is about? Pretty funny they are paying someone to follow Louie around to transcribe all his sets though.

Comedian is accused of rape
Comedian goes on stage a few months later
"I like sex. I don't like being told no"
The crowd erupts in laughter.

But hey, you'd have to see it in person to understand why it's funny !

Deleted member 203 · Jan 18, 2019

nel e nel said:
It's also historically been used as a tool to talk about taboo subjects and address social injustices in a disarming manner. Court jesters would often make fun of the royalty.

But Louis isn't talking about social injustices, unless you think Parkland kids talking about guns or women coming forward to talk about being sexually assaulted by Louis is an injustice.

Comedians really need to stop thinking they are speaking truth to power just because they are saying edgy shit. The amount who actually do that is not that high, and the amount of white male comedians who do it is vanishingly small. And not all taboos are created equal. Punching down, talking shit about marginalized groups who don't have the platform you do, that's not taboo. That's just being an un-self-aware ass.

MrBadger · Jan 18, 2019

Why do we even need Louis CK in comedy if his entire set is just shit you coulda read off 4chan for free? Like people say he's important but right now his entire shtick is 9/11 and attack helicopter jokes and "oh no I can't say that lol" and oh man is it fuckin boring. Even completely detached from the fact he's a creepy sex pest and owning it

floridaguy954 · Jan 18, 2019

Mulciber said:
Bold strategy.

God, I wish he'd just fuck off forever. He's not adding anything of value.

Goddamn, I got a good laugh from that custom emoji but agreed.

House_Of_Lightning · Jan 18, 2019

Sunster said:
And his Netflix show is basically that, "I'm just a guy who through no fault of my own ended up with this wife and family and now I am forced to deal with their bullshit." It's just a show about a guy who loathes his life and makes everyone in his family unhappy. And this is in the 70's, Burr's golden age. So is this how he thinks men should be? Hateful pieces of shit who dream only of escaping their families so they can binge drink in lawn chairs in their driveway? Is that peak manhood?

Hate to break it to you, but young people were forced out of their homes/educations/jobs/whatever in the draft, sent over seas, came back from Korea/Vietnam with extreme PTSD and substance abuse problems and no way to make their lives better, realizing that the American Dream was a lie. That's what the show is about.

If you didn't grow up in that environment then good.

I don't follow him or watch him. Just seen the show. So I don't know if he particularly endorses that life style. Hard to think anyone would though.

nel e nel · Jan 18, 2019

Noray said:
But Louis isn't talking about social injustices, unless you think Parkland kids talking about guns or women coming forward to talk about being sexually assaulted by Louis is an injustice.

Comedians really need to stop thinking they are speaking truth to power just because they are saying edgy shit. The amount who actually do that is not that high, and the amount of white male comedians who do it is vanishingly small. And not all taboos are created equal. Punching down, talking shit about marginalized groups who don't have the platform you do, that's not taboo. That's just being an un-self-aware ass.

Yes I'm aware of that, I wasn't implying that Louis was talking truth to power, just responding to the comment that I quoted, which came across as naive.

nel e nel · Jan 18, 2019

MrBadger said:
Why do we even need Louis CK in comedy if his entire set is just shit you coulda read off 4chan for free? Like people say he's important but right now his entire shtick is 9/11 and attack helicopter jokes and "oh no I can't say that lol" and oh man is it fuckin boring. Even completely detached from the fact he's a creepy sex pest and owning it

Who is "we"?

UltimateHigh · Jan 18, 2019

whytemyke said:
I get needing to workshop your set. I'm not even in the group of people who thinks he should never work again. But man, the only reason his offensive stuff worked in the past is cuz he had that winking "heart of gold" implication with it that is pretty much gone.

which is strange considering how many stories of him being a creep were out there, long before people started to care. I remember a very vehement defense force on other sites.

It didn't stop me from enjoying his sets and loving his FX show but it was never not in the back of my mind.

-Pyromaniac- · Jan 18, 2019

I'm of both sides of the coin. I think it's fine for him to try to go back out there and do his thing, if people want to pay to see it or whatever then fine. But I also think the consequences are fine i.e. people recording it or overanalyzing every joke even if he is workshopping, and finally, angry people on the internet.

If people are free to pay and see the show and enjoy then people are free to react to his actions however they want as long as they are non criminal. Though recording his show might be criminal, no idea.

Cubeikon · Jan 18, 2019

Gwenpoolshark said:
There's a place where you never have to jerk off alone.

It's called prison.

I truly wish somebody would had said that when he delivered his first line. Would have been way more fun than everything from CK.

Deleted member 38573 · Jan 18, 2019

I'm sick of this guy. Not even too surprised at how bad the joke was since he lowkey fell off before the jerking off debacle.

hillzagold · Jan 18, 2019

Sweeney Swift said:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/louis...kes-on-on-911-retarded-kids-and-racial-tropes

Searched and didn't see a thread

Holy fucking god that is horrible. Louis CK has managed to top this dumpster fire from just last month (Warning, they say the n-word. a lot. a whole fucking lot.)

Arjen · Jan 18, 2019

I laughed at the joke in the thread title, guess I'm a horrible person now.

dreams · Jan 18, 2019

Arjen said:
I laughed at the joke in the thread title, guess I'm a horrible person now.

Yeah, you are, just like all the other "edgy" people who laughed at it knowing it was a real thing that happened to unwilling participants and letting a sexual predator know that it's okay to be a sexual predator. Do you want a prize?

Kernel · Jan 18, 2019

Yossarian said:
I wouldn't have put it quite how he did, but he's not wrong in terms of its social 'function'.

nel e nel said:
It's also historically been used as a tool to talk about taboo subjects and address social injustices in a disarming manner. Court jesters would often make fun of the royalty.

If he just wants to take about taboo subjects he can go to Hyde park.

Making fun of royalty is punching upwards. There's nothing funny in what he's doing and there's no social justice either.

A comedian can play an asshole on stage, not actually be one.

Arjen · Jan 18, 2019

dreams said:
Yeah, you are, just like all the other "edgy" people who laughed at it knowing it was a real thing that happened to unwilling participants and letting a sexual predator know that it's okay to be a sexual predator. Do you want a prize?

Depends on the prize I guess.

MrBadger · Jan 18, 2019

Arjen said:
I laughed at the joke in the thread title, guess I'm a horrible person now.

Yeah guess you are /shrug

Yossarian · Jan 18, 2019

Kernel said:
Making fun of royalty is punching upwards. There's nothing funny in what he's doing and there's no social justice either.

Point is, from my fairly limited reading around the subject, what he said about comedy is, in the very broadest sense, correct; it's not just about being entertaining.

Kernel said:
A comedian can play an asshole on stage, not actually be one.

Anyone can be an asshole, unfortunately. I've no doubt that assholes are disproportionately represented in comedy too.

Deleted member 15737 · Jan 18, 2019

Arjen said:
I laughed at the joke in the thread title, guess I'm a horrible person now.

pRoUd 2 B A dEPlOrABLe.

Terminus · Jan 18, 2019

Full MRA Louis is going to be lit

HyGogg · Jan 18, 2019

Claven said:
You're able to laugh at a sexual predator making light of his sexual assaults? How very enlightened of you.

I literally said nothing about this. Please stop with the strawman crap, thanks.

Deleted member 46948 · Jan 18, 2019

HyGogg said:
I literally said nothing about this. Please stop with the strawman crap, thanks.

Well, you do go on this whole tangent about how you can disagree with some jokes and still laugh at them. Unless that's in some way relevant for the topic at hand (LCK joking about his assaults), you're mentioning it here why precisely?

Ac30 · Jan 18, 2019

Like dude jack off all you want in front of people after asking them for permission. This isn't fucking hard.

I sometimes do wonder if he realises why he got in trouble in the first place.

Acorn · Jan 18, 2019

Dudes gonna be on Dave Rubin any day now. Bari Weiss is getting ready to welcome him into the intellectual dark web.

Orioto · Jan 18, 2019

Ac30 said:
Like dude jack off all you want in front of people after asking them for permission. This isn't fucking hard.

I sometimes do wonder if he realises why he got in trouble in the first place.

Actually i think he did lol, but that's not better in some context!
Anyway Louis is capitalizing on his heel turn badly i see...

Let's also remind people that Louis "bragged" about his behavior many times in the past, except we didn't know it was actually true! Really if you see some of his old stuff, tv show etc.. it's crazy the number of time you're like.. "ho i see now.. " Knowing the guy there are lots of things that just seem wrong now.

That Lucky Louie show (that is actually amazingly written i think...), is fuulll of weird stuff, extremely sexual, having a barely legal emma stone wanting to suck his cock etc lol.. Also a full episode of him having intercourse with Pamela Adlon, and showing briefly his genitalia without any reason. I mean, knowing the guy.. it's like he was basically using tv to play with all his fetiches.

He's going to be in way more trouble when some of the sexual jokes with kids (in one episode of Better Things he wrote i think) are exposed!

Kernel · Jan 18, 2019

Yossarian said:
Point is, from my fairly limited reading around the subject, what he said about comedy is, in the very broadest sense, correct; it's not just about being entertaining.

I don't disagree, I'm just saying they're not mutually exclusive. His primary goal is to entertain, if he can do that while talking about taboo stuff then more power to him.

People pay money to be entertained and to laugh.

There's nothing funny about a white comic of privilege complaining he can't be a shit head to people of less privilege.

nded · Jan 18, 2019

You can have both of those things, champ. You just gotta ask and get consent first.

thesoapster · Jan 18, 2019

Orioto said:
Actually i think he did lol, but that's not better in some context!
Anyway Louis is capitalizing on his heel turn badly i see...

Let's also remind people that Louis "bragged" about his behavior many times in the past, except we didn't know it was actually true! Really if you see some of his old stuff, tv show etc.. it's crazy the number of time you're like.. "ho i see now.. " Knowing the guy there are lots of things that just seem wrong now.

He did, but it was clear he was in a position of power in that moment and it was not what you might call "enthusiastic consent"...

Either way, I'd be interested to know what some of his material was way back that he'd work on in comedy clubs. His finished products, funny as they may be to me, were still generally considered dark humor. Does it just feel "sloppy" to me because he's testing things out? Or is he truly just in a downward spiral and comedically bankrupt now? Try as he might, I don't think he's going to have much luck fashioning his recent past into joke material. "Edgy" shit obviously doesn't seem to work, either.

HyGogg · Jan 18, 2019

Claven said:
Well, you do go on this whole tangent about how you can disagree with some jokes and still laugh at them. Unless that's in some way relevant for the topic at hand (LCK joking about his assaults), you're mentioning it here why precisely?

Because of the quote in the article:

"The whole point of comedy is to say things that you shouldn't say. That's the entire point," he said.

I think that's true to an extent. Maybe not that it's the whole point, but that the greats have all done that. I don't think comedy needs to be held accountable to be true or fair or right to be funny. And in fact most comedy falls apart when held to this sort of account.

That doesn't mean everything a comedian does or says is okay, but I agree with the general sentiment of that sentence.

OutofMana · Jan 18, 2019

Blader said:
Burr is an idiot himself. He was on Conan's podcast a few weeks ago and went off on a tirade of the most stereotypical, insecure "why can't men be men anymore, real masculinity is being made illegal" retrograde shit. He sounded like a fucking moron.

I used to love listening to his podcast until it became nothing more than those types of bad takes. They weren't even funny and it felt more like an old man yelling at stuff than comedy. I would say it's a generational thing but man, is he an idiot more now than ever.

Arozay said:
Probably means EtcetEra is where humour goes to die.

This thread, you have people taking a comedian's on stage bit as biographical indictable offence, people in "Think of the children"-mode, satire blind, Post #174, #183 etc.

By Louie pre-FX standards, the new material isn't different, he was always foul and shock humour based, 2010 on-wards gave people selective memory because he liked cinematography and smooth jazz. Then the wankery scandal stuff happened, huge shitstorm, he addressed it/apologised outside of his act and returned to work, probably too quickly but it would stick with him regardless.

Some people are still going to see him for comedy reasons™ despite the scandal,. Some people don't like him anymore which is obviously justified, so you get the "look at that bitch eating crackers" crowd who want him exiled for eternity.

His new material is hackneyed and scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Crude introspective humor has always been hit or miss depending on the comedian. Him being outed as being a fucking creep/dirtbag only adds to the negative reaction of him essentially saying, "fuck it, i'm going all in."

MrBadger · Jan 18, 2019

nel e nel said:
Who is "we"?

Us. You and me.

Nakadai · Jan 18, 2019

Ebullientprism said:
I dont understand the the point of this part. Would it be ok if those jokes were funny? Would it still be not ok?

Are comedians supposed to check with every single audience members what their personal tragedies are?

You didn't get a "Are you Okay With?" survey before the show at the last stand up you went to? That comedian should be shot.

L Thammy · Jan 18, 2019

Finally, someone has the courage to call out sexual harassment victims had have had their careers stunted to keep them silent as well as high school shooting victims.

You can dance around it, but it's pretty clear why this isn't funny; it's just abuse being labelled as comedy.

Cymbal Head · Jan 18, 2019

Louis CK's ongoing comeback tour, ca. 2020:

Yossarian · Jan 18, 2019

Kernel said:
I don't disagree, I'm just saying they're not mutually exclusive.

That's not really what you originally wrote, but okay; I can't disagree with that.

="Kernel, post: 16992834, member: 6558"]There's nothing funny about a white comic of privilege complaining he can't be a shit head to people of less privilege.

Certainly isn't, but unfortunately there is a market for it. :/

Ambient80 · Jan 18, 2019

danm999 said:
Yeah he used to do jokes on how crazy it was to hit your kids since they were so little and defenceless and how white people could happily use time machines because they've been privileged for so long throughout history.

The whole thrust of his mockery went from upwards punching to downwards punching after his fall.

Hmm, that's a good point I hadn't thought of. I mean, nowadays I know he's a creep, but I hadn't noticed that shift in his "jokes". He's turned into like Bizarro Louis or something. Not a great choice for him, lol.

Sunster · Jan 18, 2019

House_Of_Lightning said:
Hate to break it to you, but young people were forced out of their homes/educations/jobs/whatever in the draft, sent over seas, came back from Korea/Vietnam with extreme PTSD and substance abuse problems and no way to make their lives better, realizing that the American Dream was a lie. That's what the show is about.

If you didn't grow up in that environment then good.

I don't follow him or watch him. Just seen the show. So I don't know if he particularly endorses that life style. Hard to think anyone would though.

Yeah, I know. The show doesn't make him a sympathetic character at all though.

DJGolfClap · Jan 18, 2019

Louis CK: *masturbates in front of women without consent*
Women: that's not cool
YouTube Comments Section: SJWs HAVE NO SENSE OF HUMOUR

Louis CK: *masturbation joke*
YouTube Comments Section: ahhhhh truly comedian of the century, what an incredible gift we've been given *chef's kiss*

Deleted member 3093 · Jan 18, 2019

Arozay said:
There's something funny about missing a reference plus still being completely off-base with a equation.

I understand the reference. You're misusing the meme. Bitch eating crackers means that a person hates someone regardless of how innocuous their behavior is. Louis C.K. is disliked for things that are anything but innocuous.

Elegant Weapon · Jan 18, 2019

Cymbal Head said:
Louis CK's ongoing comeback tour, ca. 2020:

yoooo
lmao

It's funny because it's true

infinitebento · Jan 18, 2019

Porco Rosso · Jan 18, 2019

Ac30 said:
Like dude jack off all you want in front of people after asking them for permission. This isn't fucking hard.

I sometimes do wonder if he realises why he got in trouble in the first place.

To be fair, as per the NYT article, he always did ask permission. Nobody said no. The issue is the power dynamics that were at play where these women may have felt obligated to comply. Not that it makes what happened alright, but it's a different issue.

Back on topic, I was hoping Louis would begin addressing this stuff in his act, but not like this.

Cymbal Head said:
Louis CK's ongoing comeback tour, ca. 2020:

This is probably not far off.

NineConsonants · Jan 18, 2019

It's so bizarre how he went from being this funny self-deprecating guy to a complete shithead. I guess he was always an undercover shithead though.

Mitsurugi · Jan 18, 2019

What a clown. You're done man

julia crawford · Jan 18, 2019

Here's hoping this self destruction does its proper job.

BLEEN · Jan 18, 2019

hillzagold said:
Holy fucking god that is horrible. Louis CK has managed to top this dumpster fire from just last month (Warning, they say the n-word. a lot. a whole fucking lot.)

That's like 5 years old or something. Just sayin'.

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