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OTTAWA — A federal LGBTQ conversion therapy ban could be on the horizon.

Banning conversion therapy was prioritized in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Dec. 13 mandate letter to Minister of Justice and Attorney General David Lametti, where Trudeau directed the ministry "to amend the Criminal Code to ban the practice of conversion therapy and take other steps required with the provinces and territories to end conversion therapy in Canada."

The move marks the first concrete steps towards the fulfillment of the Liberal election promise to ban the harmful practice of attempting to forcibly change people's gender or sexuality.

MacEwan University professor and longtime anti-conversion therapy advocate Kristopher Wells said he was "very pleased" to see banning conversion therapy prioritized by Trudeau's minority government so quickly following the election.

"This is a real opportunity for Canada to show leadership on the world stage when it comes to passing the strongest legislation in the world," he said. "To clearly demonstrate that conversion therapy has no place in our society or civilization."

Several municipalities and provinces across Canada have already banned the practice. Ontario, Manitoba and Nova Scotia have all imposed bans, while cities including Vancouver and Sherwood Park, Alta. have introduced local bans.

This week, Edmonton city council unanimously voted to ban conversion therapy, with what Wells calls the "best, most comprehensive" policy on the issue in Canada.

The Liberals, NDP and Green Party all included references to a federal conversion therapy ban in their 2019 platforms.

During the new bill's second reading in the senate Thursday, Joyal took credit for a federal conversion therapy ban making its way into the Liberal Party's 2019 election platform.

"When we start a debate — we introduce a private member's bill and we debate it — it has an impact on the government of the day, whatever the government," he said.



OH SHIT, THIS IS HUGE.

 

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This is awesome news.

Also I like this give no shits Trudeau. Between this and the gun ban I guess he realized Conservatives would never play nice.
 
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She's a fucking machine. So damn fierce(lol Russia has banned her from ever stepping foot on their soil). Trudeau trusts her 100%, and never holds her back.

From the article:

According to that letter, she will work "very closely" with Trudeau "in both setting and fulfilling the government's agenda." She will "lead key cabinet work streams in the achievement of national commitments to Canadians," including enhancements to medicare, the implementation of the pan-Canadian framework on climate change, new measures to control the use of firearms and improved access to child care.

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She's a fucking machine. So damn fierce(lol Russia has banned her from ever stepping foot on their soil). Trudeau trusts her 100%, and never holds her back.

From the article:



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I'm happy how present we've been in international news in the past year. It's been a while since this has happened in a positive light.
 

Temascos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well done Canada! Glad Trudeau is doing some good in his second term already, hope it keeps up for you guys.

And kick every Conservative to the curb between now and forever.
 

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lead the world on the issue, in what way?

multiple countries already ban conversion therapy, or at the minimum, it's illegal for non-adults.

in germany it is banned, and only an adult can do it for themselves, and only under the case of review, to show the adult has not been manipulated into it, and is of their own will.
 

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User banned (permanent): Inflammatory False Equivalence Surrounding Conversion Therapy
Let's say someone doesn't feel right in their own body, and identifies more with the gender opposite to what they were assigned at birth. They should have every right to take hormones and undergo surgery if that's what makes them happy.

Now let's say, for whatever reason, someone truly wants LGBTQ conversion therapy. Should they not have the right?
 

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Let's say someone doesn't feel right in their own body, and identifies more with the gender opposite to what they were assigned at birth. They should have every right to take hormones and undergo surgery if that's what makes them happy.

Now let's say, for whatever reason, someone truly wants LGBTQ conversion therapy. Should they not have the right?
its not a real thing, it's pseudoscience
 
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Let's say someone doesn't feel right in their own body, and identifies more with the gender opposite to what they were assigned at birth. They should have every right to take hormones and undergo surgery if that's what makes them happy.

Now let's say, for whatever reason, someone truly wants LGBTQ conversion therapy. Should they not have the right?

Pretty sure in that instance, if they're struggling with their sexuality, that's just regular-ass therapy.

"Conversion" therapy is just occultist bullshit.
 

Alavard

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Let's say someone doesn't feel right in their own body, and identifies more with the gender opposite to what they were assigned at birth. They should have every right to take hormones and undergo surgery if that's what makes them happy.

Now let's say, for whatever reason, someone truly wants LGBTQ conversion therapy. Should they not have the right?

First of all, that's a terrible conflation. A trans person is trans regardless if they have transitioned or not - they are trans if/when they identify as trans. They don't transition as a way of changing their identity, but transition as a way of further expressing who they already are (although I'm saying this as a cis person, and a trans person could correct me on that if I'm wrong at all). Going to conversion therapy would be an attempt to change a person's actual sexuality.

Second, look up what conversion therapy entails, and the medical and scientific community's view of it. Many versions have included assault, shock-therapy, drugs, and even lobotomies. And guess what? It's still pseudo-scientific nonsense that doesn't do what it purports to do, so it's just mindless torture.
 

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Let's say someone doesn't feel right in their own body, and identifies more with the gender opposite to what they were assigned at birth. They should have every right to take hormones and undergo surgery if that's what makes them happy.

Now let's say, for whatever reason, someone truly wants LGBTQ conversion therapy. Should they not have the right?

Conversion therapy is pseudoscience and, quite literally, often times torture. It doesn't benefit anyone and it should be illegal.
 
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First of all, that's a terrible conflation. A trans person is trans regardless if they have transitioned or not - they are trans if/when they identify as trans. They don't transition as a way of changing their identity, but transition as a way of further expressing who they already are. Going to conversion therapy would be an attempt to change a person's actual sexuality.

Second, look up what conversion therapy entails, and the medical community's view of it. Many versions have included assault, shock-therapy, drugs, and even lobotomies. And guess what? It's still pseudo-scientific nonsense that doesn't do what it purports to do, so it's just mindless torture.

We need to ban homeopathy next. It's the fucking air guitar of the medical world.
 

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We need to ban homeopathy next. It's the fucking air guitar of the medical world.

You're absolutely correct. I have type-1 diabetes and when I lived in Toronto I used to walk by homeopaths and acupuncturists with signs on their doors purporting that they could cure nearly anything, and they actually had the gall to explicitly include Diabetes in their lists. No, your sharp needles or glasses of water aren't going to regrow the beta cells in my pancreas responsible for making insulin, and it should absolutely be criminal to try to convince someone that they can.
 
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in germany it is banned, and only an adult can do it for themselves, and only under the case of review, to show the adult has not been manipulated into it, and is of their own will.

Can you provide a citation please for the banned status in Germany? I did a quick look up, and they had a previous proposal, but has not come to pass.

Also, what does the adult only portion mean exactly, please?

In general Brazil was the first country to do a complete ban back in 1999, but it was never really enforced. Similarly in China as well.

This is different, as it will be written into our criminal code, to become a punishable offence.
 
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Did Trudeau randomly wake up today and decided to enact lots of progressive policy today? Canada has just been on a tear this Saturday.
 
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Did Trudeau randomly wake up today and decided to enact lots of progressive policy today? Canada has just been on a tear this Saturday.

He sent letters to all his Ministers, for a collective total of approximately 300 mandates he wants put into law.

A ton of progressive change is coming. Prepare your body.
 

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this legislation is on the way in Europe as well. What is it with Canada desperately wanting to be world leader in everything all the time?
 

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Let's say someone doesn't feel right in their own body, and identifies more with the gender opposite to what they were assigned at birth. They should have every right to take hormones and undergo surgery if that's what makes them happy.

Now let's say, for whatever reason, someone truly wants LGBTQ conversion therapy. Should they not have the right?

Excuse me? In no way are the two even remotely comparable. And not to mention, not every Trans person transitions for various reasons.

The latter is just absolute torture to a person, especially given some tactics that conversation therapy imposes. All it does is cause mental anguish, confusion, mental health issues, and even outright PTSD. Like, absolutely screw that crap.
 
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Pretty sure this is already banned 'on principle' in Europe? Not that I mind seeing it more specifically pointed out in legal terms, but I wouldn't really go as far to claim 'leading the world here'. Guess the article writer is Canada-struck and wants the USA to notice senpai.