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LGBT school lessons protests spread nationwide (UK)

rjinaz

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I don't think anybody in this thread was arguing shitting on the bigots at all. People are getting worked up over the wrong thing here.
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Oh please HiResTomato certainly was. Theye literally said people in this thread need to reevaluate how tolerant they are because their words are too mean. I don't believe for one second he was coming in defense of people's religion. It was pure tone-policing.

Yes they were an alt-account, but it's not like their tactic or viewpoint isn't a popular one. At least in America, I'd argue it's one of the greatest reasons racism and bigotry can thrive, by pretending there is no right side, and therefore, no choice to stand against bigotry has to be taken.
 
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rjinaz said:
Oh please HiResTomato certainly was. Theye literally said people in this thread need to reevaluate how tolerant they are because their words are too mean. I don't believe for one second he was coming in defense of people's religion. It was pure tone-policing.

Yes they were an alt-account, but it's not like their tactic or viewpoint isn't a popular one. At least in America, I'd argue it's one of the greatest reasons racism and bigotry can thrive, by pretending there is no right side, and therefore, no choice to stand against bigotry has to be taken.
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If that's the case I agree, I'm just saying "their shitty religion" could definitely be seen as offensive to a Muslim member. I took his post about being a the_donald level comment as saying, we're lumping an entire religion in with these bigots because of this. I could just be being naive about that though.
 
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msdstc said:
If that's the case I agree, I'm just saying "their shitty religion" could definitely be seen as offensive to a Muslim member. I took his post about being a the_donald level comment as saying, we're lumping an entire religion in with these bigots because of this. I could just being naive about that though.
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I share your sympathies. It would be more than disappointing if this topic were just to become an ideological battleground over an imaginary dichotomy, that just serves to further alienate people for whom both these issues are relevant. And that should be sort of everyone to some degree; everyone has a gay cousin, and nearly as many have a Muslim friend. I'm a gay man and 'religious' (a Buddhist convert), and though I have no particular interest in Islam, I think that 'theological' arguments and feelings can sometimes seem a little too easily summarized by some people here. But I also think that might be an extension of not having an interest in the topic, because taking an interest is what prompts insight, and so then maybe some lacking in their account can be understandable and expected.
 
9-Volt

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Some of your Sunni caliphs were openly gay (mostly Ottoman Sultans), Muslims. Please, get over it.
 

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Homosexuality is a hanius, horrible thing he says while standing in front of a we are not homophobic people sign
 

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itchi said:
Homosexuality is a hanius, horrible thing he says while standing in front of a we are not homophobic people sign
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It's basically a "smart" bigot in the ranks that knows in order to get the police protection as a "peaceful protest", standing in front of a primary school with Westboro like signs of "Homos are f*gs" or "Gays should be jailed" would probably get them into bother.

I'd refer to it as "polite aggression" or "polite bigotry". Knowing how to play the system to your advantage. "I'm not homophobic, but.... Gays are an abomination and the gay agenda is child abuse".
 
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Worth noting that the organisers of the original two protests don't actually have children at the schools.

Nothing suspicious about that. No siree.
 
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Yukari said:
So how this situation will end ?

Protest Parent bored and move their kids and them to somewhere else ?
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Tories tried stupid shit like having "faith schools" because they believe in free market libertarian bullshit instead of state funded education, so you'll see these kids be shuttered into conservative as fuck faith schools in no time.
 
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Didn't see anything about the size of the protests but I would imagine the conservative Muslim population in the UK that is behind these protests is nowhere near a majority, at least.

I'm sure Sam Harris will be all over this and use it to smear Muslims, too. Sigh.
 

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uncelestial said:
Didn't see anything about the size of the protests but I would imagine the conservative Muslim population in the UK that is behind these protests is nowhere near a majority, at least.

I'm sure Sam Harris will be all over this and use it to smear Muslims, too. Sigh.
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Poll figures aren't great

However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...se-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
 

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Bernard Coleslaw said:
They should not exist at all.
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While I think it's incredibly detrimental to keep kids away from socializing with other kids of various backgrounds, I just can't see a path towards eradicating faith schools without serious resistance. Private funding is the first step I think is achievable.

Gender-segregated schools should be shut. Zero tolerance for that.
 
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I hope schools don't cave. 200% done with these bigots, modern society has no room for these views.
 

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Red Liquorice said:
What sickens me the most is that they're there with their kids, making the next generation just as homophobic and twisted as they are. This is so depressing.
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The kids are probably getting told even worse at home to be honest.

But yes, it's embarrassing to see kids publicly surrounded by this nonsense. The small chance some of them have is when they are away from their parents they might interact with other kids or have a school properly educate them. Otherwise, they'll grow into teens and then adults that keep the cycle of hatred, bullying and potentially violence going.

Now the parents are following them to these safe spaces to make sure the kids know to hate and fear the gay away.
 
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Religion again proves itself the worst fucking idea. I cannot believe that the most stupidly unfalsifiable idea in the history of human thought is still the cause of all this crap hundreds of years after the scientific revolution.
 
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Reverse Giraffe said:
The bigots have begun attacking LGBT people.
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Hateful shitheads

Protest co-ordinator Shakeel Afsar, who says he's been elected as parents' spokesman but does not have children at the school, laid the blame for the incident with the LGBT group. He said their actions were provocative, turning up as night fell, disturbing residents and causing intimidation by putting up rainbow flags and inflammatory messages. In a series of tweets he accused the group of being 'vandalisers' who had provoked residents by arriving during Ramadan as most residents were about to mark iftar, the breaking of the fast.
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'Causing intimidation by putting up rainbow flags'

I never knew rainbows were so intimidating.
 
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Ac30 said:
Protest co-ordinator Shakeel Afsar, who says he's been elected as parents' spokesman but does not have children at the school, laid the blame for the incident with the LGBT group. He said their actions were provocative, turning up as night fell, disturbing residents and causing intimidation by putting up rainbow flags and inflammatory messages. In a series of tweets he accused the group of being 'vandalisers' who had provoked residents by arriving during Ramadan as most residents were about to mark iftar, the breaking of the fast.
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Hope there can be a solution found before this escalates even further. Are there numbers on how many protesters there are nationwide and how much support they actually have?
 
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umop 3pisdn said:
I share your sympathies. It would be more than disappointing if this topic were just to become an ideological battleground over an imaginary dichotomy, that just serves to further alienate people for whom both these issues are relevant. And that should be sort of everyone to some degree; everyone has a gay cousin, and nearly as many have a Muslim friend. I'm a gay man and 'religious' (a Buddhist convert), and though I have no particular interest in Islam, I think that 'theological' arguments and feelings can sometimes seem a little too easily summarized by some people here. But I also think that might be an extension of not having an interest in the topic, because taking an interest is what prompts insight, and so then maybe some lacking in their account can be understandable and expected.
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Thanks for this, and another friendly reminder there are queer Muslims.
 

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Kinsei said:
So teaching kids about LGBT kids is indoctrination? Fuck off.
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I think I should have been more clear.

I believe subjects such as this (including sex ed) should be reserved for later.

I think the main issue is parents have no idea what's going on and that's making it worse. So they can only speculate and probably make it worse then it seems.

Inviting them to the class would make more sense

Bernard Coleslaw I realised that may have came across incorrectly.

I'm bi myself and am currently dating a trans person so I'm far from it.

I apologise for coming across like that
 
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aisback said:
I think I should have been more clear.

I believe subjects such as this (including sex ed) should be reserved for later.

I think the main issue is parents have no idea what's going on and that's making it worse. So they can only speculate and probably make it worse then it seems.

Inviting them to the class would make more sense

Bernard Coleslaw I realised that may have came across incorrectly.

I'm bi myself and am currently dating a trans person so I'm far from it.

I apologise for coming across like that
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Are you also for the banning of almost every piece of children's media out there? LGBT people and relationships are not anymore unsuitable to young children than cis straight people. By delaying the introduction of LGBT people you're just allowing these children to develop biases that lead to hate.
 
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aisback said:
I think I should have been more clear.

I believe subjects such as this (including sex ed) should be reserved for later.

I think the main issue is parents have no idea what's going on and that's making it worse. So they can only speculate and probably make it worse then it seems.

Inviting them to the class would make more sense

Bernard Coleslaw I realised that may have came across incorrectly.

I'm bi myself and am currently dating a trans person so I'm far from it.

I apologise for coming across like that
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It's already been made clear to these parents that all these lessons seek to do is educate that LGBT people exist, that some children have 2 mummies/daddies etc.

There is nothing about this that should be reserved for adolescents only unless you think the existence of LGBT people is something that should be shielded from young children, an absolutely absurd notion that exposing them to this knowledge threatens their innocence.
 

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Speaking as the resident of a (vastly) Muslim majority country these shitstains using their freedom of speech to attempt to regress to their own backwards, worthless ways makes me angry like few things do. For every single one of these undeserving fucks, there are 100 more tolerant, more understanding Muslims that deserve the opportunities and freedoms of living in a first world country.

edit: The only "dangerous" thing about LGBT education for children is convincing the children they can be supportive of LGBT people in front of adults they trust when those adults might be homophobic as hell and mistreat their children for being LGBT-positive
 
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We're not homopohobic. Just none of our people are allowed to be homosexual. Don't you understand?

Those protesting parents are rediculous.
 
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Windrunner said:
It's already been made clear to these parents that all these lessons seek to do is educate that LGBT people exist, that some children have 2 mummies/daddies etc.

There is nothing about this that should be reserved for adolescents only unless you think the existence of LGBT people is something that should be shielded from young children, an absolutely absurd notion that exposing them to this knowledge threatens their innocence.
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The way it's been handled by the protestors is stupid. I agree there.

It kinda reminds me of the shit you see on Facebook where people read a headline and get outraged without looking into it.
 
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aisback said:
The way it's been handled by the protestors is stupid. I agree there.

It kinda reminds me of the shit you see on Facebook where people read a headline and get outraged without looking into it.
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Okay that's them.

Why are you against children being taught that LGBT people exist as part of a broader program with the aims of "Teach children to be proud of who they are while recognising and celebrating difference and diversity"?
 

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aisback said:
I think I should have been more clear.

I believe subjects such as this (including sex ed) should be reserved for later.

I think the main issue is parents have no idea what's going on and that's making it worse. So they can only speculate and probably make it worse then it seems.

Inviting them to the class would make more sense

Bernard Coleslaw I realised that may have came across incorrectly.

I'm bi myself and am currently dating a trans person so I'm far from it.

I apologise for coming across like that
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...as someone who's gay and has struggled a lot about my identity into my teenager years? No. Absolutly not. It's important to introduce this to children as soon as possible. Also, are you saying, by this logic, young children shouldn't have two same sex parents, because it's a subject best handled until "later"? Just no.
 

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So how would conservative Muslims do have any political power to force schools, politicians, etc. to backtrack on that matter?
 
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Windrunner said:
Okay that's them.

Why are you against children being taught that LGBT people exist as part of a broader program with the aims of "Teach children to be proud of who they are while recognising and celebrating difference and diversity"?
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I think most of the issue with most things in life is misinformation.

I just hope uses this protests as an excuse to do stupid shit.

I'm sorry if I came across as ignorant.
 
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