Hell yes!! Honestly, the 55C9 no longer being in stock is a blessing in disguise for you. I bought a 55" B8 when it came out, and as much as I loved it, I spent the last two years wishing I would've gone 65".
Thanks 😁
% R G B
Low 0 0 2
High 2 -11 -2% Lum R G B
5 0 4 2 1
10 0 3 2 0
15 2 1 2 1
20 2 0 1 1
25 2 -1 0 1
30 0 0 1 2
35 1 -1 0 1
40 0 -1 -1 1
45 -1 -1 0 2
50 -1 -1 0 3
55 0 -1 1 2
60 -2 1 2 3
65 0 -1 0 2
70 4 0 0 2
75 4 0 0 2
80 1 0 0 1
85 -4 -1 0 -1
90 0 -3 -1 0
95 -1 -3 0 2
100 0 -5 0 1Color Sat Tint Lum
RED 3 -9 2
GREEN -1 -3 0
BLUE 0 -3 0
CYAN 0 -2 0
MAGENTA 0 0 0
YELLOW -1 -1 0% R G B
Low 1 0 3
High 0 -15 -3Color Sat Tint Lum
RED -9 -24 16
GREEN -4 8 6
BLUE -3 -6 -2
CYAN -4 -6 3
MAGENTA -4 4 3
YELLOW -9 -4 5
Different tech so while oled is more expensive it is a better product.
Not sure how useful this will be but i am going to post it anyway. I think i am finally settling in on C9 calibration... Keep in mind that this is varies from set to set and just in case, my 65 inch C9 was manufactured in March 2020.
Stock TV condition: Awful GREEN push in all modes SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision...
Colorimeter: X-Rite i1Display Pro
Pattern Generator: iTPG(C9 Internal Pattern Generator) at first, then MadVR TPG using PC connected via HDMI.
Goal: Accuracy
Lessons learned:
1. CalMAN Home for LG Autocal -> not reliable... this together with OLED sets not being very stable is a bad combo. Better use manual calibration if possible and double and triple check with actual content... it's very likely that something is going to be fucked when using Autocal. Also questionable 3D LUT generation by CalMAN software, fucked me up more than once... Ended up just using TV controls and adjusting White Balance and CMS for all modes manually.
2. Really warm up your TV before doing calibration. Some pattern with rotating colors for a few minutes at least, maybe episode of a favorite tv show.
3. Do not attempt calibration until your total tv usage is at least 100-150 hours after unpacking or be ready to verify/re-calibrate after about this much time.
4. Had a glitch at first when after just turning TV on it would be stuck at standard or eco mode even if proper calibrated mode is selected in menu... until any video content is played. I think C9 boots into mode that is selected for Set-Top Box/TV source( even if i don't have one ) and it messes things up.
Calibration Settings:
---SDR---
Movies -> Expert Dark:
OLED Light: 30 = ~105nits
Contrast: Default(85)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: BT.1886
ColorSpace: Auto
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
Games -> Game:
OLED Light: 30 = ~105nits
Contrast: Default(85)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: 2.2
ColorSpace: Auto
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% R G B Low 0 0 2 High 2 -11 -2
20 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% Lum R G B 5 0 4 2 1 10 0 3 2 0 15 2 1 2 1 20 2 0 1 1 25 2 -1 0 1 30 0 0 1 2 35 1 -1 0 1 40 0 -1 -1 1 45 -1 -1 0 2 50 -1 -1 0 3 55 0 -1 1 2 60 -2 1 2 3 65 0 -1 0 2 70 4 0 0 2 75 4 0 0 2 80 1 0 0 1 85 -4 -1 0 -1 90 0 -3 -1 0 95 -1 -3 0 2 100 0 -5 0 1
CMS:
---SDR END---Code:Color Sat Tint Lum RED 3 -9 2 GREEN -1 -3 0 BLUE 0 -3 0 CYAN 0 -2 0 MAGENTA 0 0 0 YELLOW -1 -1 0
---HDR---
Movies -> Cinema or Technicolor Expert:
OLED Light: Default(100)
Contrast: Default(100)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: Locked option(2.2)
ColorSpace: Wide
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
Games -> Game:
OLED Light: Default(100)
Contrast: Default(100)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: 50
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: Locked option(2.2)
ColorSpace: Wide
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
2 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% R G B Low 1 0 3 High 0 -15 -3
CMS:
---HDR END---Code:Color Sat Tint Lum RED -9 -24 16 GREEN -4 8 6 BLUE -3 -6 -2 CYAN -4 -6 3 MAGENTA -4 4 3 YELLOW -9 -4 5
After Calibration something like that can be achieved:
PS. If you feel like your C9 is pushing green might be useful to try these... 2 Point WB might be enough to correct most errors. Dolby Vision can be properly calibrated only by uploading config file generated by CalMAN but i would still apply 2P WB to it even if there is no config available, i see the same green push in it as in HDR10 content, so WB adjustment should be identical.
Probably still worth it since you will be able to try Autocal and if you don't like the result you can still use the same software just in manual mode( just will have to reset mode you calibrating for each input you are going to use or do a complete factory reset to clear all at once ). You basically just select different workflow and follow instructions. You can try using open source software or alternatives but that's another can of worms imo.
Thabk you so much for this! I know that generally speaking we aren't supposed to copy white balance settings, but I used yours and it's an insane difference and clearly way more accurate than standard Warm2. I set up a separate preset to default Warm2 settings so I could do A/B comparisons, and WOW. Such a yellowish green cast over everything with default Warm2.Not sure how useful this will be but i am going to post it anyway. I think i am finally settling in on C9 calibration... Keep in mind that this is varies from set to set and just in case, my 65 inch C9 was manufactured in March 2020.
Stock TV condition: Awful GREEN push in all modes SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision...
Colorimeter: X-Rite i1Display Pro
Pattern Generator: iTPG(C9 Internal Pattern Generator) at first, then MadVR TPG using PC connected via HDMI.
Goal: Accuracy
Lessons learned:
1. CalMAN Home for LG Autocal -> not reliable... this together with OLED sets not being very stable is a bad combo. Better use manual calibration if possible and double and triple check with actual content... it's very likely that something is going to be fucked when using Autocal. Also questionable 3D LUT generation by CalMAN software, fucked me up more than once... Ended up just using TV controls and adjusting White Balance and CMS for all modes manually.
2. Really warm up your TV before doing calibration. Some pattern with rotating colors for a few minutes at least, maybe episode of a favorite tv show.
3. Do not attempt calibration until your total tv usage is at least 100-150 hours after unpacking or be ready to verify/re-calibrate after about this much time.
4. Had a glitch at first when after just turning TV on it would be stuck at standard or eco mode even if proper calibrated mode is selected in menu... until any video content is played. I think C9 boots into mode that is selected for Set-Top Box/TV source( even if i don't have one ) and it messes things up.
Calibration Settings:
---SDR---
Movies -> Expert Dark:
OLED Light: 30 = ~105nits
Contrast: Default(85)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: BT.1886
ColorSpace: Auto
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
Games -> Game:
OLED Light: 30 = ~105nits
Contrast: Default(85)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: 2.2
ColorSpace: Auto
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% R G B Low 0 0 2 High 2 -11 -2
20 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% Lum R G B 5 0 4 2 1 10 0 3 2 0 15 2 1 2 1 20 2 0 1 1 25 2 -1 0 1 30 0 0 1 2 35 1 -1 0 1 40 0 -1 -1 1 45 -1 -1 0 2 50 -1 -1 0 3 55 0 -1 1 2 60 -2 1 2 3 65 0 -1 0 2 70 4 0 0 2 75 4 0 0 2 80 1 0 0 1 85 -4 -1 0 -1 90 0 -3 -1 0 95 -1 -3 0 2 100 0 -5 0 1
CMS:
---SDR END---Code:Color Sat Tint Lum RED 3 -9 2 GREEN -1 -3 0 BLUE 0 -3 0 CYAN 0 -2 0 MAGENTA 0 0 0 YELLOW -1 -1 0
---HDR---
Movies -> Cinema or Technicolor Expert:
OLED Light: Default(100)
Contrast: Default(100)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: Locked option(2.2)
ColorSpace: Wide
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
Games -> Game:
OLED Light: Default(100)
Contrast: Default(100)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: 50
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: Locked option(2.2)
ColorSpace: Wide
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
2 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% R G B Low 1 0 3 High 0 -15 -3
CMS:
---HDR END---Code:Color Sat Tint Lum RED -9 -24 16 GREEN -4 8 6 BLUE -3 -6 -2 CYAN -4 -6 3 MAGENTA -4 4 3 YELLOW -9 -4 5
After Calibration something like that can be achieved:
PS. If you feel like your C9 is pushing green might be useful to try these... 2 Point WB might be enough to correct most errors. Dolby Vision can be properly calibrated only by uploading config file generated by CalMAN but i would still apply 2P WB to it even if there is no config available, i see the same green push in it as in HDR10 content, so WB adjustment should be identical.
Welcome to HDR haha. SDR mode probably gives you more accurate picture than what you used to. I would say that SDR is still beautiful though...rewatching LOST atm and some of the shots there are eye melting even at 1080p SDR.... god i wish they would remaster it in 4K HDR though. Also that J+K youtube channel is wow... Bulgaria video is just crazy( outside of some issues i have with how sun is displayed in a few shots... i wonder if it's limitation of camera that captured it or OLED is just not bright enough )
No problem 😊
Glad it was useful! Looking at user posts and issues they have with their TV and looking at my own i would say that there is not THAT much panel variance if manufacturing date is somewhat close.
Yeah, ultimately I feel like I have the settings exactly where they need to be at and if I changed anything to make the picture look more "impressive" it would probably be more processed and less accurate. I will just have to get used to the SDR look I guess after being spoiled by HDR.
Not sure how useful this will be but i am going to post it anyway. I think i am finally settling in on C9 calibration... Keep in mind that this is varies from set to set and just in case, my 65 inch C9 was manufactured in March 2020.
Stock TV condition: Awful GREEN push in all modes SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision...
Colorimeter: X-Rite i1Display Pro
Pattern Generator: iTPG(C9 Internal Pattern Generator) at first, then MadVR TPG using PC connected via HDMI.
Goal: Accuracy
Lessons learned:
1. CalMAN Home for LG Autocal -> not reliable... this together with OLED sets not being very stable is a bad combo. Better use manual calibration if possible and double and triple check with actual content... it's very likely that something is going to be fucked when using Autocal. Also questionable 3D LUT generation by CalMAN software, fucked me up more than once... Ended up just using TV controls and adjusting White Balance and CMS for all modes manually.
2. Really warm up your TV before doing calibration. Some pattern with rotating colors for a few minutes at least, maybe episode of a favorite tv show.
3. Do not attempt calibration until your total tv usage is at least 100-150 hours after unpacking or be ready to verify/re-calibrate after about this much time.
4. Had a glitch at first when after just turning TV on it would be stuck at standard or eco mode even if proper calibrated mode is selected in menu... until any video content is played. I think C9 boots into mode that is selected for Set-Top Box/TV source( even if i don't have one ) and it messes things up.
Calibration Settings:
---SDR---
Movies -> Expert Dark:
OLED Light: 30 = ~105nits
Contrast: Default(85)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: BT.1886
ColorSpace: Auto
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
Games -> Game:
OLED Light: 30 = ~105nits
Contrast: Default(85)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: 2.2
ColorSpace: Auto
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% R G B Low 0 0 2 High 2 -11 -2
20 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% Lum R G B 5 0 4 2 1 10 0 3 2 0 15 2 1 2 1 20 2 0 1 1 25 2 -1 0 1 30 0 0 1 2 35 1 -1 0 1 40 0 -1 -1 1 45 -1 -1 0 2 50 -1 -1 0 3 55 0 -1 1 2 60 -2 1 2 3 65 0 -1 0 2 70 4 0 0 2 75 4 0 0 2 80 1 0 0 1 85 -4 -1 0 -1 90 0 -3 -1 0 95 -1 -3 0 2 100 0 -5 0 1
CMS:
---SDR END---Code:Color Sat Tint Lum RED 3 -9 2 GREEN -1 -3 0 BLUE 0 -3 0 CYAN 0 -2 0 MAGENTA 0 0 0 YELLOW -1 -1 0
---HDR---
Movies -> Cinema or Technicolor Expert:
OLED Light: Default(100)
Contrast: Default(100)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: Locked option(2.2)
ColorSpace: Wide
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
Games -> Game:
OLED Light: Default(100)
Contrast: Default(100)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: 50
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: Locked option(2.2)
ColorSpace: Wide
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
2 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% R G B Low 1 0 3 High 0 -15 -3
CMS:
---HDR END---Code:Color Sat Tint Lum RED -9 -24 16 GREEN -4 8 6 BLUE -3 -6 -2 CYAN -4 -6 3 MAGENTA -4 4 3 YELLOW -9 -4 5
After Calibration something like that can be achieved:
PS. If you feel like your C9 is pushing green might be useful to try these... 2 Point WB might be enough to correct most errors. Dolby Vision can be properly calibrated only by uploading config file generated by CalMAN but i would still apply 2P WB to it even if there is no config available, i see the same green push in it as in HDR10 content, so WB adjustment should be identical.
Default for that mode is 55. Not sure why though... i would drop it to Cinema's default 50.
Awesome! Do you happen to know when your tv was manufactured? There should be a label on the backplate with a date, If your set is wall mounted or something don't bother of course :)
Thanks. Looks like we are on to something heh. And B9 of course still makes sense... absolutely the same panel.
I looked for information on this, but it seems it may only be for older LG TVs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
It does work, but also has some caveats, like weird color banding issues, and also on the 7 series at least, broken HDR. On my B7 I found the flaws of PC mode to be deal breakers and game mode was preferable. For SDR game mode you can turn the color setting down to 45ish and get a pretty similar result to normal color gamut.
You are using bt1886 for gaming?Not sure how useful this will be but i am going to post it anyway. I think i am finally settling in on C9 calibration... Keep in mind that this is varies from set to set and just in case, my 65 inch C9 was manufactured in March 2020.
Stock TV condition: Awful GREEN push in all modes SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision...
Colorimeter: X-Rite i1Display Pro
Pattern Generator: iTPG(C9 Internal Pattern Generator) at first, then MadVR TPG using PC connected via HDMI.
Goal: Accuracy
Lessons learned:
1. CalMAN Home for LG Autocal -> not reliable... this together with OLED sets not being very stable is a bad combo. Better use manual calibration if possible and double and triple check with actual content... it's very likely that something is going to be fucked when using Autocal. Also questionable 3D LUT generation by CalMAN software, fucked me up more than once... Ended up just using TV controls and adjusting White Balance and CMS for all modes manually.
2. Really warm up your TV before doing calibration. Some pattern with rotating colors for a few minutes at least, maybe episode of a favorite tv show.
3. Do not attempt calibration until your total tv usage is at least 100-150 hours after unpacking or be ready to verify/re-calibrate after about this much time.
4. Had a glitch at first when after just turning TV on it would be stuck at standard or eco mode even if proper calibrated mode is selected in menu... until any video content is played. I think C9 boots into mode that is selected for Set-Top Box/TV source( even if i don't have one ) and it messes things up.
Calibration Settings:
---SDR---
Movies -> Expert Dark:
OLED Light: 30 = ~105nits
Contrast: Default(85)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: BT.1886
ColorSpace: Auto
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
Games -> Game:
OLED Light: 30 = ~105nits
Contrast: Default(85)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: 2.2
ColorSpace: Auto
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% R G B Low 0 0 2 High 2 -11 -2
20 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% Lum R G B 5 0 4 2 1 10 0 3 2 0 15 2 1 2 1 20 2 0 1 1 25 2 -1 0 1 30 0 0 1 2 35 1 -1 0 1 40 0 -1 -1 1 45 -1 -1 0 2 50 -1 -1 0 3 55 0 -1 1 2 60 -2 1 2 3 65 0 -1 0 2 70 4 0 0 2 75 4 0 0 2 80 1 0 0 1 85 -4 -1 0 -1 90 0 -3 -1 0 95 -1 -3 0 2 100 0 -5 0 1
CMS:
---SDR END---Code:Color Sat Tint Lum RED 3 -9 2 GREEN -1 -3 0 BLUE 0 -3 0 CYAN 0 -2 0 MAGENTA 0 0 0 YELLOW -1 -1 0
---HDR---
Movies -> Cinema or Technicolor Expert:
OLED Light: Default(100)
Contrast: Default(100)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: Default(50)
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: Locked option(2.2)
ColorSpace: Wide
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
Games -> Game:
OLED Light: Default(100)
Contrast: Default(100)
Brightness: Default(50)
Color: 50
Tint: Default(0)
Every enhancement turned off.
Gamma: Locked option(2.2)
ColorSpace: Wide
White Balance -> Warm2 preset
2 Point White Balance adjustment:
Code:% R G B Low 1 0 3 High 0 -15 -3
CMS:
---HDR END---Code:Color Sat Tint Lum RED -9 -24 16 GREEN -4 8 6 BLUE -3 -6 -2 CYAN -4 -6 3 MAGENTA -4 4 3 YELLOW -9 -4 5
After Calibration something like that can be achieved:
PS. If you feel like your C9 is pushing green might be useful to try these... 2 Point WB might be enough to correct most errors. Dolby Vision can be properly calibrated only by uploading config file generated by CalMAN but i would still apply 2P WB to it even if there is no config available, i see the same green push in it as in HDR10 content, so WB adjustment should be identical.
My post is a hard to follow mess, sorry.
Thanks. I still think for game you need a little bit up on brightness like 55.
I use the same settings as my regular game mode on PC. Works great. (With color setting lowered for SDR)
No, standard hdmi game is best. PC-mode introduces color banding, and broken HDR
The 55" seems to be about 2k dollars when converted to USD from BRL. TVs had an insane spike in price the last few months due to Covid-19.
They were cheaper than that for a little while, but TVs as a whole spiked in price a lot. Sucks, I really wanted to experience "Real" HDR after my Samsung NU7100 broke down. Gonna have to wait for a while now.
Consoles will use VRR implementation from HDMI2.1 spec. If you need Freesync support in AMD drivers on PC you can enable it manually by a couple of clicks. There just won't be a fancy menu label in the TV settings indicating official Freesync support...
Yep
No. The C9 has 13 milliseconds input lag in game mode at 60hz, and 6 milliseconds at 120hz. There is no reason to use PC mode at all. Just use regular game mode.
