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Oct 27, 2017
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When hdmi 2.1 will be release and 4K/120hz, there will be no reason to use 1440p output ? Same question, better 1440p output or 4K output with 1440p upscaled gaming content :S
There isn't one answer to that question. If a game can push 4K 120 hertz window issue then sure 4K is great way to go. If the game has resolution scaling then sure 4k the way to go. But let's say if you can't hit for 4k necessarily consistently at your target frame rate, 1440p gives you better rates, and the game doesn't support resolution scaling then you still probably may want to do 1440p at least with its rendering.
 

Badcoo

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May 9, 2018
1,607
Rumored US pricing. Taking this off of some forum comments so take with a grain of salt.

48" 1500
55" ~1800-2000
65" 2800
77" 5000
 

Calverz

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Oct 28, 2017
2,586
So when we seeing micro LED tv's as i heard OLED is pretty much a dead end technology with severe burn in problems
 

2Blackcats

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Oct 26, 2017
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Forbes said the exact same things about the 9 series compared to the 8 series and yet there wasn't much between them at all picture quality wise, Forbes likes to exaggerate.

Yeah, sure sounds like he's just eyeballing it and comparing it to his memory.

Proper reviews can't come soon enough. Should still be plenty of time to get last years model if the difference isn't substantial.
 

Primal Sage

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Nov 27, 2017
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So you guys use motion interpolation (trumotion deblur dejudder settings) for gaming ?
I know it add input lag and may cause some artifacts if you put it at max settings but I saw a video where you can tweak and give a nice boost which can make 30fps looks like 40fps.

What? No one in their right mind does this. It would be awful to play. Without trumotion you have inputlag of around 13ms on current LG OLEDs which is excellent for a tv. With that crap turned on you end up at 100-200ms input lag.

Around 32ms the gameplay experience really starts to suffer.
 

2Blackcats

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Oct 26, 2017
16,073
Was it this thread where someone mentioned that these TVs aren't suitable for 30fps games? Can anyone comment on the accuracy of that statement? I like to play old games.
 

starblue

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Oct 28, 2017
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Was it this thread where someone mentioned that these TVs aren't suitable for 30fps games? Can anyone comment on the accuracy of that statement? I like to play old games.
Wtf ??

Im playing god of war on lg c8 and no problem, looks awesome. I also have a aorus 144hz 1440p for pc and man....that statement....for me at least is not accurate at all.
 

2Blackcats

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Oct 26, 2017
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Wtf ??

Im playing god of war on lg c8 and no problem, looks awesome. I also have a aorus 144hz 1440p for pc and man....that statement....for me at least is not accurate at all.

Good to hear. Had a look for the post but couldn't find it.

Something along the lines of the refresh rate of the TV being too fast for 30fps games and if you're a console peasant this isn't the TV for you.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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Was it this thread where someone mentioned that these TVs aren't suitable for 30fps games? Can anyone comment on the accuracy of that statement? I like to play old games.

OLED TVs have incredibly fast response time meaning very little blur transitioning between frames which can make motion look less smooth in lower frame rate content. LCD TVs (95% of TVs on the market today) have a slower response time and more blur between frames which can help minimize stutter at the slight expense of visual clarity.

Most smartphones these days use OLED screens. If you've seen 30fps gameplay footage on an OLED phone screen and thought it looked fine, you'll think 30fps gameplay looks fine on an OLED TV too. It's the same technology.
 

2Blackcats

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Oct 26, 2017
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OLED TVs have incredibly fast response time meaning very little blur transitioning between frames which can make motion look less smooth in lower frame rate content. LCD TVs (95% of TVs on the market today) have a slower response time and more blur between frames which can help minimize stutter at the slight expense of visual clarity.

Most smartphones these days use OLED screens. If you've seen 30fps gameplay footage on an OLED phone screen and thought it looked fine, you'll think 30fps gameplay looks fine on an OLED TV too. It's the same technology.

Thanks for explanation
 

ppn7

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May 4, 2019
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What? No one in their right mind does this. It would be awful to play. Without trumotion you have inputlag of around 13ms on current LG OLEDs which is excellent for a tv. With that crap turned on you end up at 100-200ms input lag.

Around 32ms the gameplay experience really starts to suffer.

I can play on PC with Vsync ON which barely adds 80ms. But I can't stand 30fps stuttering. So I hope trumotion can help to simulate at least 40fps. Even if it adds some input lag.
 

ChristianM

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Mar 21, 2018
478
Sweden
Also, 1440p@120hz is better than 4k@60 as far as clarity goes for most games when there is movement, which is most games.

This. I recently played Resident Evil 2 (the remake) on a C9 at 1440p/120hz and it looks absolutely stunning. Tried switching to 4K/60 but it doesn't look nearly as crisp as soon as you start moving around.

The downside is that 120hz has spoiled me now to the point I think 60z games looks kinda blurry.
 

mdf/markus

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Oct 30, 2017
521
I'll get my C9 next week and right now I'm trying to catch up on GSync settings and so on ...

Help me out:
I'll also hook up my PC with a RTX2060 to the TV. Do I have to use 4k or 1440p to be able to use GSync or does it work with any resolution (like 1080p in more demanding games)?
If there's an ingame scale rendering option, would you recommend rendering at 4k or 1440p and scaling it down in case of performance issues or using the lower native resolution?
 

ascii42

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Oct 25, 2017
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I can play on PC with Vsync ON which barely adds 80ms. But I can't stand 30fps stuttering. So I hope trumotion can help to simulate at least 40fps. Even if it adds some input lag.
Samsung TVs have a Game Mode motion interpolation that has a surprisingly low input lag. (~22 ms or so). I don't know of any other manufacturer that does.
 

dsk1210

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Oct 25, 2017
2,392
Edinburgh UK
This. I recently played Resident Evil 2 (the remake) on a C9 at 1440p/120hz and it looks absolutely stunning. Tried switching to 4K/60 but it doesn't look nearly as crisp as soon as you start moving around.

The downside is that 120hz has spoiled me now to the point I think 60z games looks kinda blurry.
Try to get used to BFI for 60hz games, I have been playing what I can at 1440p at 120fps and playing my 60fps games with BFI and it clears it up beautifully as you get a much higher motion resolution you need to get used to the loss in brightness tand a slight flicker though, you do get used to it though.
 

Pargon

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Oct 27, 2017
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Samsung TVs have a Game Mode motion interpolation that has a surprisingly low input lag. (~22 ms or so). I don't know of any other manufacturer that does.
It's not a game mode option, as game mode disables it, but enabling interpolation on my ~10 year old Sony TV adds 33ms of latency - which I think is acceptable given the results it produces:


Note: it's being interpolated to 120 FPS and not 60 - so it's smoother than a YouTube video can show.
The problem is that it's adding 33ms on top of its base level of 55ms in game mode - and that alone is high enough that I don't enjoy playing games on this TV.
If it was 33ms on top of a new TV with a base latency of about 8ms in game mode I think a total latency of ~41ms would be acceptable for the results that it produces.
Obviously 41ms is not ideal, but neither is playing a game at 30 FPS.

While I know that many here dislike it, I hope that TV manufacturers continue to improve interpolation quality and latency.
I wish that reviewers would actually try to judge the quality of interpolation instead of telling people to disable it.

Try to get used to BFI for 60hz games, I have been playing what I can at 1440p at 120fps and playing my 60fps games with BFI and it clears it up beautifully as you get a much higher motion resolution you need to get used to the loss in brightness tand a slight flicker though, you do get used to it though.
Yes, BFI is going to make a huge difference for 60 FPS games if it's operating at 60Hz.
One of the changes with the 2020 models is that they can now run BFI at 120Hz.

What I hope is that it will be possible to display 60 FPS content using 60Hz BFI, with options for 4ms, 8ms, and 12ms persistence (8ms being the only option for the 2019 and earlier models).
It would be very bad if 60 FPS sources were displayed wtih 120Hz BFI, because that reduces flicker but also loses most of the benefits of BFI (clearer and smoother motion).
 

ppn7

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May 4, 2019
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Samsung TVs have a Game Mode motion interpolation that has a surprisingly low input lag. (~22 ms or so). I don't know of any other manufacturer that does.
It's not a game mode option, as game mode disables it, but enabling interpolation on my ~10 year old Sony TV adds 33ms of latency - which I think is acceptable given the results it produces:


Note: it's being interpolated to 120 FPS and not 60 - so it's smoother than a YouTube video can show.
The problem is that it's adding 33ms on top of its base level of 55ms in game mode - and that alone is high enough that I don't enjoy playing games on this TV.
If it was 33ms on top of a new TV with a base latency of about 8ms in game mode I think a total latency of ~41ms would be acceptable for the results that it produces.
Obviously 41ms is not ideal, but neither is playing a game at 30 FPS.

While I know that many here dislike it, I hope that TV manufacturers continue to improve interpolation quality and latency.
I wish that reviewers would actually try to judge the quality of interpolation instead of telling people to disable it.


Yes, BFI is going to make a huge difference for 60 FPS games if it's operating at 60Hz.
One of the changes with the 2020 models is that they can now run BFI at 120Hz.

What I hope is that it will be possible to display 60 FPS content using 60Hz BFI, with options for 4ms, 8ms, and 12ms persistence (8ms being the only option for the 2019 and earlier models).
It would be very bad if 60 FPS sources were displayed wtih 120Hz BFI, because that reduces flicker but also loses most of the benefits of BFI (clearer and smoother motion).


Here this is why Samsung has a lower input lag when you use motion interpolation with game mode activated :



You can see clearly that the motion is stuttering VS the film mode with motion interpolation ON. The fact is that with film mode, you get the full motion interpolation, simulating 60 or 120fps depend on the settigns you choose up to 10. But at the cost of a higher input lag.

So finally the samsung motion interpolation is not as good as another brand. It seems that here for example a Philipps Oled from 2017 get better result in term of inputlag and motion clarity :


And again here motion versus a LG B7, you can see the difference :
 
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ss_lemonade

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Oct 27, 2017
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Was it this thread where someone mentioned that these TVs aren't suitable for 30fps games? Can anyone comment on the accuracy of that statement? I like to play old games.
Something about possibly seeing motion that looks stuttery because of their instant response times. Quick gif from rtings

stutter-0-ms-vs-40-ms.gif

Never owned an oled before so not sure if it's really a negative
 

xyla

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Oct 27, 2017
8,386
Germany
I just caved and bought the LG C9 55".
For the last three weeks I was watching the small price fluctuations on Amazon like a hawk and when I refreshed the page today, they were sold out - no warning before that whatsoever. I suppose they won't get any new ones at this point, so I bought them at the next best online seller. I paid 1.290 Euro including shipping at the end. Was thinking about getting a restored B-ware TV which was 100 Euro cheaper, but in the end it wasn't worth the risk to me - for 200 Euro less I would have maybe bought that one though. It was new but had a replaced panel.

Fingers crossed that it doesn't have any dead pixels or something.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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yup, can only dream, maybe cause i have been seeing the 55" £1200 lately so i assumed that was the orginal price, but either i get the QLed or wait for cx to drop to my range
You're seeing the B9 or C9 for that price, not the CX.

The way these things work is that the prices are super high at launch. Then they get lowered to a price that makes sense on Black Friday, and get a permanent price drop to the BF price during December. The end of the year is like a 2nd launch date for normal people.
 

FlyStarJay

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Jan 7, 2018
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You're seeing the B9 or C9 for that price, not the CX.

The way these things work is that the prices are super high at launch. Then they get lowered to a price that makes sense on Black Friday, and get a permanent price drop to the BF price during December. The end of the year is like a 2nd launch date for normal people.

Yea I was talking about the c9
 

SOLDIER

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Oct 26, 2017
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Should've posted this question here, so forgive the copy/paste:

Haven't kept up too much on the upcoming TVs, but I was wondering if we had a rough idea yet on when the next big LG TVs will roll out and what they might cost.

I'm hoping to have one ready when the PS5 and XSX roll out. What's looking like the top TV recommendations with those consoles in mind?
 

Badcoo

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May 9, 2018
1,607
Lg released a press release.

www.lgnewsroom.com

LG BEGINS ROLLOUT OF 2020 TV LINEUP SPEARHEADED BY AWARD-WINNING OLED TVS | LG NEWSROOM

Art-Inspired OLED Models and Expanded 8K Lineup Provide Outstanding Picture and Sound Quality for a Viewing Experience Second to None SEOUL, Mar. 11, 2020 — LG Electronics (LG) today announced the rol

Also, 77 CX is up on amazon for pre-order at $8,522.17


EDIT: "This item will be released on March 23, 2020."
 
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xyla

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Oct 27, 2017
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Germany
Just got my C9 - I'm not really sure how to adjust them perfectly. Did try and follow the rtings guide, but I'm not sure what to do about the white levels. Does anyone have any advice on that?
 

Alderaan

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Apr 15, 2018
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Looks like the 48" won't be till later this year maybe June or later, so my will have to wait for that to replace my current monitor (PG27UQ).

Plan on getting a 65" for the office and a 77" for the Living room. Will most likely wait though a few weeks just to see how uniformity is on the first batch.

That price for the 65" CX on BB is hopefully a good sign that the 48" will be under $2k. I think the Amazon price for the 77" will be adjusted and MSRP will probably be $8K (7,999) like the have been the past few years.
 

Badcoo

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May 9, 2018
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Looks like the 48" won't be till later this year maybe June or later, so my will have to wait for that to replace my current monitor (PG27UQ).

Plan on getting a 65" for the office and a 77" for the Living room. Will most likely wait though a few weeks just to see how uniformity is on the first batch.

That price for the 65" CX on BB is hopefully a good sign that the 48" will be under $2k. I think the Amazon price for the 77" will be adjusted and MSRP will probably be $8K (7,999) like the have been the past few years.

Rumor for the 48 is late May for around $1500.
 

Starwing

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The Fallen
Oct 31, 2018
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Lg released a press release.

www.lgnewsroom.com

LG BEGINS ROLLOUT OF 2020 TV LINEUP SPEARHEADED BY AWARD-WINNING OLED TVS | LG NEWSROOM

Art-Inspired OLED Models and Expanded 8K Lineup Provide Outstanding Picture and Sound Quality for a Viewing Experience Second to None SEOUL, Mar. 11, 2020 — LG Electronics (LG) today announced the rol

Also, 77 CX is up on amazon for pre-order at https://www.amazon.com/LG-OLED77CXP...keywords=lg+cx&qid=1583931494&sr=8-5$8,522.17


EDIT: "This item will be released on March 23, 2020."
I see the 77 inch GX on there too for the same price.
Edit: Fixed link.
 
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Badcoo

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May 9, 2018
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Official US prices from LG press release:

2020 LG OLED 4K TV

GX "Gallery" Series



OLED77GXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$5,999
Available April 2020

OLED65GXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$3,499
Available April 2020

OLED55GXPUA
55-inch class (54.6 inches diagonal)
$2,499
Available April 2020


BX Series

OLED65BXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$2,299
Available May 2020

OLED55BXPUA
55-inch class
$1,599
Available May 2020


CX Series

OLED77CXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$4,999
Available May 2020

OLED65CXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$2,799
Available April 2020

OLED55CXPUA
55-inch class (54.6 inches diagonal)
$1,799
Available March 2020

OLED48CXPUB
48-inch class (47.5 inches diagonal
$1,499
Available June 2020


WX "Wallpaper"


OLED65WXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$4,999
June 2020



2020 LG OLED SIGNATURE 8K TVs


ZX "Real 8K" Series


OLED88ZXPUA
88-inch class (87.6 inches diagonal)
$29,999
Available May 2020


OLED77ZXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$19,999
Available May 2020


EDIT: Source
https://markets.businessinsider.com...ins-rollout-of-2020-oled-tv-lineup-1029001150
 
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Starwing

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Oct 31, 2018
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Official US prices from LG press release:

2020 LG OLED 4K TV

GX "Gallery" Series



OLED77GXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$5,999
Available April 2020

OLED65GXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$3,499
Available April 2020

OLED55GXPUA
55-inch class (54.6 inches diagonal)
$2,499
Available April 2020


BX Series

OLED65BXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$2,299
Available May 2020

OLED55BXPUA
55-inch class
$1,599
Available May 2020


CX Series

OLED77CXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$4,999
Available May 2020

OLED65CXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$2,799
Available April 2020

OLED55CXPUA
55-inch class (54.6 inches diagonal)
$1,799
Available March 2020

OLED48CXPUB
48-inch class (47.5 inches diagonal
$1,499
Available June 2020


WX "Wallpaper"


OLED65WXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$4,999
June 2020



2020 LG OLED SIGNATURE 8K TVs


ZX "Real 8K" Series


OLED88ZXPUA
88-inch class (87.6 inches diagonal)
$29,999
Available May 2020


OLED77ZXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$19,999
Available May 2020
Thanks for the update! Those GX prices will look good come later in the year.
 

Lump

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Member
Oct 25, 2017
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The 48 CX is what I expected in terms of price - shame it's not here until June, but I bet we'll get Nvidia cards that do HDMI 2.1 around that time (provided coronavirus doesn't throw wrenches into Nvidia supply chains in the summer).
 

TitlePending

The Fallen
Dec 26, 2018
5,340
Official US prices from LG press release:

2020 LG OLED 4K TV

GX "Gallery" Series



OLED77GXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$5,999
Available April 2020

OLED65GXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$3,499
Available April 2020

OLED55GXPUA
55-inch class (54.6 inches diagonal)
$2,499
Available April 2020


BX Series

OLED65BXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$2,299
Available May 2020

OLED55BXPUA
55-inch class
$1,599
Available May 2020


CX Series

OLED77CXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$4,999
Available May 2020

OLED65CXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$2,799
Available April 2020

OLED55CXPUA
55-inch class (54.6 inches diagonal)
$1,799
Available March 2020

OLED48CXPUB
48-inch class (47.5 inches diagonal
$1,499
Available June 2020


WX "Wallpaper"


OLED65WXPUA
65-inch class (64.5 inches diagonal)
$4,999
June 2020



2020 LG OLED SIGNATURE 8K TVs


ZX "Real 8K" Series


OLED88ZXPUA
88-inch class (87.6 inches diagonal)
$29,999
Available May 2020


OLED77ZXPUA
77-inch class (76.7 inches diagonal)
$19,999
Available May 2020

Nice~ If I understand correctly, the CX9 65" is launching $700 cheaper than the C9 last year?

Curious to see how low it goes come BF!
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,535
Was it this thread where someone mentioned that these TVs aren't suitable for 30fps games? Can anyone comment on the accuracy of that statement? I like to play old games.

Yeah I had asked this same question earlier in the thread, this may be the post you were thinking of:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-help-me-find-the-best-4k-tv.173262/post-29621197

Been trying to find some good examples of 30fps console gaming on one of these TVs but its a little difficult to find some good examples of it.
 

burgerdog

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,185
They're more than fine for 30fps games. You guys don't think that there would be some massive uproar about what was said if it was true? People need to stop hanging on to every little negative thing they read, whether it's oled or lcd.