let's talk about the future of console gaming in Latin America (and other peripheral regions)

[crpj31]

I was going to buy a Switch this year when it was R$1500 I thought: "let me wait until it reaches 1300, I've seen this price before". Now the price is more than 4000. It's reaching Dragon Ball Z levels...
So the only thing that we can do is wait until Covid is gone to see if the dolar go down or go to USA or Paraguay and buy one console there.
But since Latin America will be hit hard in economy more tha USA, Europe and Asia I can see Sony and Microsoft pushing harder this gen until things gets better here.

 

[Fuu]

It's one of the reasons I went with PC gaming + Nintendo Console

Yeah, the inital cost of building a high end PC in latin america is ridiculous but the advantages are too good to ignore. Regional pricing, sales, a much bigger software library, options, customization, not paying to play multiplayer games, etc.

If the PS5 costs $600, it's going to end up around $900 - $1100 where I live. Fuck that.

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Same here in regards to PC gaming. I built a good rig and haven't looked back since. I got out of the console world near the end of the PS3/360 junction, and I don't see myself buying another tradicional console ever again as things stand. Since then I only upgraded once (a new graphics card, last year).

It isn't just the entry price, the upkeep of buying new games and paying for services on consoles is just too much here. At least on PC we get great deals and regional prices.

 

[Prime2]

the Digital Foundry thread saying that they expect the PS5/XSX to be US$599 just made me very upset. are they expecting people who live outside of US, Canada and some european countries to work three jobs to afford gaming?

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This isn't a cheap hobby in Canada either, if you take Ontario where I live I don't see the PS5 being less than 700 after Tax, games have steadily been sitting at 79.99 for quite some time here and that doesn't include tax. The sad thing that may just be what needs to be accepted is that gaming via an expensive console is a luxury. It is much worse for countries with horrible infrastructure and bad internet in a lot of cases than it is for someone like me but it is in no way cheap.

 

[cursed knowledge]

This isn't a cheap hobby in Canada either, if you take Ontario where I live I don't see the PS5 being less than 700 after Tax, games have steadily been sitting at 79.99 for quite some time here and that doesn't include tax. The sad thing that may just be what needs to be accepted is that gaming via an expensive console is a luxury. It is much worse for countries with horrible infrastructure and bad internet in a lot of cases than it is for someone like me but it is in no way cheap.

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i know it ain't exactly cheap for you, and i don't know your financial situation, but you do realize that Canada has a infinitely better economy and what you probably think as a luxury is way more of a luxury for the latin people in this thread, right? do you know how much's the minimum wage for us?

 

[Prime2]

i know it ain't exactly cheap for you, and i don't know your financial situation, but you do realize that Canada has a infinitely better economy and what you probably think as a luxury is way more of a luxury for the latin people in this thread, right? do you know how much's the minimum wage for us?

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Our economy is better yes, but its not just Latin American countries affected this will be world wide considering the economy everywhere right now.

 

[StereoVSN]

Late to the party, but how are PC component prices in Latin America? I do realize it's a big place and prices vary by country.

It's just I would think considering crazy console prices, folks would be all in on PC Gaming. Yeah, upfront isn't going to be great but you could probably put a decent machine together for same price as PS5 and get access to a huge library of games for a lot cheaper.

You could also use PC for more than just gaming or media consumption.

 

[Timexy]

Late to the party, but how are PC component prices in Latin America? I do realize it's a big place and prices vary by country.

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At least in Brazil PCs used to have lower TCO because games were cheaper than on consoles, but right now it's just as expensive because of exchange rates due to both pollitical and pandemic issues. If you have a gaming PC you're kind of fine just upgrading whatever parts you need but if you want to build one from scratch it''ll cost more than a console, specially if you're trying to match next-gen specs.

 

[StereoVSN]

At least in Brazil PCs used to have lower TCO because games were cheaper than on consoles, but right now it's just as expensive because of exchange rates due to both pollitical and pandemic issues. If you have a gaming PC you're kind of fine just upgrading whatever parts you need but if you want to build one from scratch it''ll cost more than a console, specially if you're trying to match next-gen specs.

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Well, yes, if you would want to match say Xbox Series X components I'd imagine it would cost more than console. However, one can get a fairly competent system with say Geforce 2060 (hopefully more games adopt DLSS) and Ryzen 7 (or even Ryzen 5) to start and then upgrade as things progress. The main advantage would be much cheaper cost of games if you are willing to wait a bit for new releases as well as a humongous library of games available for PC and a lot of freebies from EGS, Humble, GoG, etc...

For even cheaper gaming that specifically addresses situations for outside US/Canada/Western Europe/AU, check out LowSpecGamer on Youtube. He has some interesting videos putting in systems on the cheap that can play games in "low spec" :P.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQkd05iAYed2-LOmhjzDG6g

 

[Stalwart]

Don't buy it right away. Usually you benefit in many ways like more games, smaller and better chips,etc. Also you can make sure there are no serious hardware issues by waiting.

 

[Deleted member 15395]

I can't speak for the entirety of LATAM but for South America at least, we're just not a viable market. Wages are too low, even if by some miracle the manufacturers decided to aggressively price the systems it still wouldn't be enough. Sony did that in Argentina for the PS4, they had a very reasonable price that was affordable by the standard middle class and it did really good, then we had yet another one of our "economic crisis's™" and everything went to shit.

I'm sorry to say, but this isn't on Sony or MS or Nintendo, this is on us. We keep voting in populist/socialist governments that keep drowning the middle class in taxes, that shut down international commerce in the name of protecting our non-existing "industries" and that do everything in their power to destroy any successful investment done in the countries.

I don't want to get overly political, but this going to stay the same until some fundamental changes are made to our respective economical systems.

 

[justiceiro]

A lot of this has to do with the devaluation of our currency too, so even if they manufacturer the console locally, like ms does, little will change in the final prospect.

That's why I'm not excited for next gen at all. Never it has been worth so little.

 

[Timexy]

Well, yes, if you would want to match say Xbox Series X components I'd imagine it would cost more than console. However, one can get a fairly competent system with say Geforce 2060 (hopefully more games adopt DLSS) and Ryzen 7 (or even Ryzen 5) to start and then upgrade as things progress. The main advantage would be much cheaper cost of games if you are willing to wait a bit for new releases as well as a humongous library of games available for PC and a lot of freebies from EGS, Humble, GoG, etc...

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Of course a lower spec device should (and probably does) cost less than a higher spec one, so I don't think it's a fair comparison.

I got a 2600 Super on May/20 for BRL 2.600,00 (USD ~493,00 considering the exchange rate at the occasion) and a PS4 Pro for BRL 2.800,00 (USD ~677,00) on August/19.

Also if you're willing to wait you can buy games cheaper no matter if you're on PC or consoles so that's not a selling point.

Like I said nowadays the TCO is about the same for both console and PC gaming around here, but if you want to match the specs and you're building a PC from scratch the TCO for the PC will be higher. I can do an "official" comparison once we have official prices for consoles with local MSRP and not with gray market prices as those evade taxes so it wouldn't be a fair comparison.

 

[ninjaurbano]

Late to the party, but how are PC component prices in Latin America? I do realize it's a big place and prices vary by country.

It's just I would think considering crazy console prices, folks would be all in on PC Gaming. Yeah, upfront isn't going to be great but you could probably put a decent machine together for same price as PS5 and get access to a huge library of games for a lot cheaper.

You could also use PC for more than just gaming or media consumption.

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Here in Brazil PC components are also expensive, and a good setup probably will cost more than a console, but games are much cheaper (thanks to regional pricing and better offers).

But not only that. Most consoles are sold through the grey market (with a very limited warranty) and even an official warranty will only give you 1 year of support.

If a single component of your console fails, you are screwed. On PC, if something bad happens, you can fix yourself changing the CPU, memory, GPU, power supply, motherboard....and you can use a good RMA to replace some of these components.

So, consoles are very expensive to buy, very expensive to maintain (games are more expensive) and also much riskier (if some hardware failure happens).

So it's much better to be a PC gamer, and if you are a patient gamer you can build a modest PC to play games from the previous generation (or indie games). No need to only play the latest stuff just because other people are doing it.

 

[Lant_War]

It's one of the reasons I went with PC gaming + Nintendo Console

Yeah, the inital cost of building a high end PC in latin america is ridiculous but the advantages are too good to ignore. Regional pricing, sales, a much bigger software library, options, customization, not paying to play multiplayer games, etc.

If the PS5 costs $600, it's going to end up around $900 - $1100 where I live. Fuck that.

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Yep, there's many factors that help:

• Thanks to Steam and other store's regional pricing, games end up being MUCH cheaper than on console. Dirt 5 is 1200 pesos on Steam, while at the current conversion it'd be at 2600 on PS4 / Xbox, and that's generally true for most games (only exceptions being the publishers that don't support regional pricing like Capcom, EA or Konami). No paid online also helps save money on the long run.
• While the entry cost is undoubtedly going to be higher, PC's modularity ensures that you don't really need to upgrade everything at once. So once you have something, keeping it up to current gen spec is going to be cheaper than having to buy consoles. Here in my country you get three tax-free imports / year, so you can also buy parts (RAM, GPU, CPU, etc.) for USA prices.
• Flexibility. Maybe you don't really care about playing the latest AAA games, and if you want a machine to only play indie / not very intensive games you can totally do that

 

[Manu]

In Argentina a PS4 Pro today cost about 70.000 pesos which is about 960 us dollars. Fun stuff.

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For context: the inflation has been so bad that I paid 7.000 for my original PS4 in 2014. That's 10X the price. Meanwhile my salary has only doubled.

 

[Menx64]

I can't speak for the entirety of LATAM but for South America at least, we're just not a viable market. Wages are too low, even if by some miracle the manufacturers decided to aggressively price the systems it still wouldn't be enough. Sony did that in Argentina for the PS4, they had a very reasonable price that was affordable by the standard middle class and it did really good, then we had yet another one of our "economic crisis's™" and everything went to shit.

I'm sorry to say, but this isn't on Sony or MS or Nintendo, this is on us. We keep voting in populist/socialist governments that keep drowning the middle class in taxes, that shut down international commerce in the name of protecting our non-existing "industries" and that do everything in their power to destroy any successful investment done in the countries.

I don't want to get overly political, but this going to stay the same until some fundamental changes are made to our respective economical systems.

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Half the continent has neoliberal governments and the situations is still the same everywhere. This is not in politics but Latinamerica is complicated situation regardless of the political spectrum.

Here in Costa Rica consoles have always been expensive.

Switch: $400
PS4: $450
Xbox: $500+

Xbox is more expensive since it is not a very common console. In my empirical experience I would say we are:

30% PC, 30% Nintendo and 30% PS. 10% or less xbox.

Pc componentes are very expensive and not many options available either.

Games are around 60$ each so not too bad.

Steam is weird with their regional pricing, since it looks we are closer to the USA than Latinamerica in terms of pricing.
Sometimes Epic is the better option.

Speaking about next gen now in our country is not an option. 20+ unemployment, minimum salary around 600$, Iva 13%...

 

[StereoVSN]

Very high import pricing and grey market is certainly a tough situation. So a PC build with it's modular capability is probably a better bet overall. After all you can always upgrade a particular component in a year or something if situation allows.

Again, the flexibility of 3rd party key sellers is also great (GMG, Fanatical, Humble, etc...) as well as stuff like GamePass on PC, Humble Bundle, EA Origins ($30 for a year is not bad PC side), EGS/Humble/GOG free games, etc... PCs are still going to be sold alongside PC components for matters other than gaming so at least availability/warranties will be there (if not particularly great).

That said, for new games, it's going to be rough either way.

 

[Deleted member 15395]

Half the continent has neoliberal governments and the situations is still the same everywhere. This is not in politics but Latinamerica is complicated situation regardless of the political spectrum.

Here in Costa Rica consoles have always been expensive.

Switch: $400
PS4: $450
Xbox: $500+

Xbox is more expensive since it is not a very common console. In my empirical experience I would say we are:

30% PC, 30% Nintendo and 30% PS. 10% or less xbox.

Pc componentes are very expensive and not many options available either.

Games are around 60$ each so not too bad.

Steam is weird with their regional pricing, since it looks we are closer to the USA than Latinamerica in terms of pricing.
Sometimes Epic is the better option.

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"Neoliberal" is a nothing word if you ask me. I can't really discuss costa rica because I don't live there an am not familiar with how much $400 is to the average middle class family. What I can say is that PS4 being only $50 more expensive than in the US seems like a good thing, I can infer your import taxes must not be as high as they are in argentina (I could be wrong of course, you'd know better than me).

In argentina PS4 had an official launch in 2014 and retailed at the equivalent of around US$780 or $6900 in local currency. Today, that very same PS4 is $69999 in local currency, inflation is a very real issue that everyone in argentina's private sector has to deal with. We have a public sector that is at least 2 times bigger than what the country can afford, which is a direct result of us continually voting in populist governments that continue to butcher the private sector with taxes in a futile effort to keep the ever growing public sector afloat. You can extrapolate this to several other countries in the region to a higher or lesser degree but you will find that politics is, indeed, the crux of the problem.

 

[Menx64]

"Neoliberal" is a nothing word if you ask me. I can't really discuss costa rica because I don't live there an am not familiar with how much $400 is to the average middle class family. What I can say is that PS4 being only $50 more expensive than in the US seems like a good thing, I can infer your import taxes must not be as high as they are in argentina (I could be wrong of course, you'd know better than me).

In argentina PS4 had an official launch in 2014 and retailed at the equivalent of around US$780 or $6900 in local currency. Today, that very same PS4 is $69999 in local currency, inflation is a very real issue that everyone in argentina's private sector has to deal with. We have a public sector that is at least 2 times bigger than what the country can afford, which is a direct result of us continually voting in populist governments that continue to butcher the private sector with taxes in a futile effort to keep the ever growing public sector afloat. You can extrapolate this to several other countries in the region to a higher or lesser degree but you will find that politics is, indeed, the crux of the problem.

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Minimum wages are around $600, middle income classes can go anywhere from $800 to $2500...
Import taxes are 50% for consoles and controllers. Games are 15%.
That's besides shipping and IVA 13%.
The same thing about public sector and taxes happens everywhere in the continent. Ask anyone of latam and they all say the same story.

 

[Deleted member 15395]

Minimum wages are around $600, middle income classes can go anywhere from $800 to $2500...
Import taxes are 50% for consoles and controllers. Games are 15%.
That's besides shipping and IVA 13%.
The same thing about public sector and taxes happens everywhere in the continent. Ask anyone of latam and they all say the same story.

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Things are, at least by the numbers you mention, certainly better over there than down here.

Is your IVA the only tax you have as a consumer? Ours is 21% but we have a bunch of others on top depending what you buy. Your 50% import tax is as an individual or as a business? It's 50% of the value here as well if you import as an individual but there are things you just can't import (they'll be held at customs) it's a whole different story if you're a business and are looking to sell your imports or even if you just need to bring over raw material or parts/machinnery for a factory.

If by "the continent" you mean South America, then yes I agree (wouldn't know about Central America for instance but I take your word for it if that's what you mean). I also wouldn't say its a "story", to me it is simply the truth.

 

[guill]

Panama resident, here they sell consoles mostly 100 more expensive than USA as we have regional representation, but most likely il ordern from Amazon and pay like 40 for shipping

 

[Deleted member 4869]

Mexican here. I plan on buying the PS5 on launch day if I can find it. But I'm dreading the 18,000 Pesos that it will surely cost here.

Are they reliable with their predictions? I'm willing to pay 12K MXN max

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No way it costs 12K at launch. The PS4 Pro is at that price. The PS5 will be 15K at the LOWEST.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I'm in Mexico too, i will get a PS5 and i'm hoping it will be around $15,000 pesos lol, i'm getting it no matter what but a man can dream. Like others have said, i'm more worried about the price of the games.

 

[Kaivan]

The future is indeed grim for non-$ users. I'll try to get the PS5 this year if I can afford it.

 

[Deleted member 4869]

I'm in Mexico too, i will get a PS5 and i'm hoping it will be around $15,000 pesos lol, i'm getting it no matter what but a man can dream. Like others have said, i'm more worried about the price of the games.

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Yep. You know we're fucked when we WISH it costs 15K. :(

 

[Deleted member 10629]

Remember when the PS3 was 12k MXN, when 1 USD = 10MXN. Those were the times.

 

[Deleted member 4869]

Remember when the PS3 was 12k MXN, when 1 USD = 10MXN. Those were the times.

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I honestly can't remember how I managed to afford one during my times as an estudihambre...

 

[riq]

Things are, at least by the numbers you mention, certainly better over there than down here.

Is your IVA the only tax you have as a consumer? Ours is 21% but we have a bunch of others on top depending what you buy. Your 50% import tax is as an individual or as a business? It's 50% of the value here as well if you import as an individual but there are things you just can't import (they'll be held at customs) it's a whole different story if you're a business and are looking to sell your imports or even if you just need to bring over raw material or parts/machinnery for a factory.

If by "the continent" you mean South America, then yes I agree (wouldn't know about Central America for instance but I take your word for it if that's what you mean). I also wouldn't say its a "story", to me it is simply the truth.

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Brazil elected a conservative right wing leader whose politics are, among a ton of shit: cutting public expenses and privatizing shit.
Absolutely nothing got better here. And we're thiiiis close to getting our fucking water privatized.

 

[Roxas]

Yes, Argentinian here, software architect for a big big big international company, but since my salary is paid in pesos it doesn't even get to 1k USD, and I know I'm getting paid way more than the average Argentinian is, so I have no clue what will happen with the consoles at the end of this year, other than the fact that they will for sure cost at the very least double the MSRP

 

[Deleted member 15395]

Brazil elected a conservative right wing leader whose politics are, among a ton of shit: cutting public expenses and privatizing shit.
Absolutely nothing got better here. And we're thiiiis close to getting our fucking water privatized.

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I can't argue with the rather monstrous social aspects of his government, but purely from an macroeconomical perspective brazil seemed to be better off with him within a year than what it was with Dilma in the past 4-5 years. Last time I looked at the numbers (around jan-feb) the country was on track to turning itself around, then covid came and everything went to shit. I've no clue how bad it affected brazil (it basically destroyed what little economy we had left here).

Getting basic services privatized (power, water, gas) is neither immediately good nor immediately bad. It all depends on how its done and what level of control the state retains over the service. Our government spent decades heavily subsidizing basic services here to the point were they were essentially free. On the other side of that coin, it was very common to lose power several days (or even weeks in some places) in a row during summer. It took a dramatic increase in service fees and and a partial removal of subsides to get that more or less fixed and we're still paying less for the service than we realistically should be.

 

[Star Wild eo]

Living in Panama, gaming prices aren't nearly as bad as they are in other LATAM countries but it's still pretty bad if you consider most of the salaries here. With that said, I fully expect next gen prices here to skyrocket. The regular Switch is going for about 400ish with Ps4 and Xbox One in that same price range. For the most part though, gaming purchases are mostly done through Amazon.

 

[daripad]

I'm in Mexico too. I have currently Switch and PS4, but next gen, if prices for games keep going up and Sony doesn't change the currency at their online store, I won't get a PS5 even if I'll probably have a better income next year.

Xbox and Gamepass is such an amazing deal, and Microsoft seems to be getting rid of the online paywall too, so it'll be a much cheaper secondary console for me.

I'll keep using my Switch, but this year I bought way less games than last year, just because prices went up A LOT and it's been harder to find games at a decent price. Indies and sales are helping a lot though, but I still want my first party fix.

 

[Rotimi]

Honestly. They way it is I would probably buy a pre-owned console this gen.
internet speed is not great here but the real killer is data caps can't go digital in anyway. Still have I yet to download gamesfrom psn just cause of the cost.

 

[Serpens007]

Buying used is the best, really. Still, covid prices and specially since the USD is fucking us up now, prices are really high. I bought the PS4 in 2015 with two games at $260.000 Chilean Pesos (326USD as of today), and now finding one at that price would be a miracle.

PC parts are also increasing their price. Steam and regional pricing it's the best for buying games since Sony passed us the 19% VAT. However, buying parts in Aliexpress is a huge deal. I know a lot of folks buying legit Ryzen 3600 at half the price you can find a new PS4. I am aiming at buying new pc parts from Amazon once new parts are out, but I really depend on the USD price going down. What's a good 800 USD budget PC in the US it's a 1.000+ USD PC here with import fees and shipping, and even more buying locally.

 

[404LinkNotFound]

I rmr when i voiced my concerns on the price ,i was told here "then i shouldnt be gaming then", rediculous. Screw non euro/american countries right? Its gonna get worse when games are booted to 70 US and end up being over 90 US here

 

[hrœrekr]

Sounds like Series S and Gamepass will be the best deal for you.

 

[LordBaztion]

I rmr when i voiced my concerns on the price ,i was told here "then i shouldnt be gaming then", rediculous. Screw non euro/american countries right? Its gonna get worse when games are booted to 70 US and end up being over 90 US here

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To be fair, gaming is much more cheaper nowadays, just console gaming is becoming more expensive with the decision of making top tech consles, and even within console gaming you have low cost access like gamepass and hopefully lockhart. Even with recent releases, prices drop in a couple of months.

 

[GamerJM]

I wonder if any of these consoles will be easy to pirate games for this time around, making that market much more lucrative.

 

[Kapote]

Yeah, we're screwed. Nintendo Switch more than doubled the price in 6 months. A pair of Joy-Cons now cost 1000 BRL (~182 USD). Pikmin 3 is the first Nintendo game to reach 300 BRL on the (barebones) Local eShop.

I remember the first PS4s arriving here for 4000 BRL (~730 USD) back when 1 USD = 2,30 BLR. Now imagine 599 USD at 6 BRL, plus high demand, plus taxes... Even in the grey market I'm expecting something around 7-10k BRL

 

[DaniThePinguim]

I can't argue with the rather monstrous social aspects of his government, but purely from an macroeconomical perspective brazil seemed to be better off with him within a year than what it was with Dilma in the past 4-5 years.

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From which timelime are you from

 

[Deleted member 10629]

Also remember that US election is coming and that will fuck with the US dollar exchange rate. Switch games released at 80 bucks here, 4 months after the election.

 

[Ctrl Alt Del]

I can't argue with the rather monstrous social aspects of his government, but purely from an macroeconomical perspective brazil seemed to be better off with him within a year than what it was with Dilma in the past 4-5 years. Last time I looked at the numbers (around jan-feb) the country was on track to turning itself around, then covid came and everything went to shit. I've no clue how bad it affected brazil (it basically destroyed what little economy we had left here).

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We have a Chicago Boy as our economy minister. It wasn't on the right track.

 

[Yuuber]

Great OP. I think the slumping economy will make many people not able to afford gaming anymore in developing nations. :(

Remember when the PS4 launched at the iconic price of 4k reais? Good times. And as always in Brazil: wait a couple years and buy from the grey market.

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I do remember, and back then we all laughed at how ridiculously priced it was.

Nowadays it would be a fair price. No one could ever imagine 1 dollar would be almost 6 reais.

I'm expecting PS5 to launch here at around 8000 thousand or more. (For those who don't live here, earning 8000 reais would put you among the 10% richest)

 

[LunaSerena]

I don't think Nintendo even has eShop in Chile, unless that changed for the Switch. Ever since the 3DS I'm a canadian on Nintendo stuff lol.

I expect next-gen to be ridiculously expensive, I'll likely never own a PS5/XSX.

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There's one, but its online. You basically buy the code through the website and then redeem it on the Switch, but prices for first party games are basically the same as buying them on dollars.

Back on topic, with the devaluation of the chilean peso, I decided to go with PC + Switch in the future. Building a PC from scratch is going to be expensive as hell, but at least the upkeep won't be that bad and I can also use it for work. The next gen consoles are going to be stupidly expensive and considering PC has both Gamepass and Steam, I know what I'm saving for now.

 

[Dogui]

Atleast in Brazil, even the PS4 is out of reach for like 80% of population. PS2 and 360 are probably still the most played consoles here, partly thanks to piracy.

Even tho the internet is also slow most of the time, i can see a lot more people playing recent stuff on xcloud than on actual PS5/XSX consoles.

 

[NeonBorealis]

Yeah. Mexican here. I'm a switch-PC user and I see in my future that I'll be moving to PC exclusively. The regional pricing in Nintendo products has reached an insane level where I cannot consider buying Nintendo games anymore.

It sucks, but since the games won't go on deep discounts, ever, I'll just have to leave the Nintendo ecosystem little by little. That or be much more selective about the games I buy (And consider going digital on some purchases).

 

[JG_Lionheart]

Panama resident, here they sell consoles mostly 100 more expensive than USA as we have regional representation, but most likely il ordern from Amazon and pay like 40 for shipping

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No se te olvide juegos nuevos de 65 a 75 dependiendo mas el impuesto de 7%.

At least more people are selling their used games these days.

 

[Deleted member 11008]

Remember when the PS3 was 12k MXN, when 1 USD = 10MXN. Those were the times.

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That price was ahead of its time lol

 

[Deleted member 10629]

That price was ahead of its time lol

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I recall the day it was launched I went to a Gameplanet, and the dude working there told me had only sold one that day.

 

[Deleted member 11008]

I recall the day it was launched I went to a Gameplanet, and the dude working there told me had only sold one that day.

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I recall the price was over 10 mil pesos, but didn't knew it was 12000. No wonder the Xbox brand grow that much during that gen.