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Let's Kill This Absurd "Google Will Just Shut Stadia Down" Meme
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Because you can take it with you anywhere and play on any smart device. That's the whole sell here.
You shouldn't care, but you're knocking it without even trying it. Early real world results are quite positive as someone already posted the link here. #447
Cyberpunk 2077 isn't confirmed for PS5/Scarlet yet we've no idea when it will happen.
That has been my thought since it was revealed it wasn't the Netflix of games. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Not sure if a single test with a slower paced game running at 1080p and only 30fps is supposed to be convincing evidence. I remain unconvinced, but will gladly try out a free trial if Google offers it.
That can already be done with remote play though. I think their big sell here is that you can play games at 4K 60fps on any device for 10$ a month + whatever the game cost. The question is if people buy it, personally I'm still not sold on it but for those that are I hope Google succeeds and keep this alive for many years.
Remote play requires you buy a console
with this you get remote play for no extra cost
My internet is pretty good and I have no data cap, but I still prefer my gaming to be rendered locally so as to not deal with unnecessary lag. Games are buggy enough as it is anyway.
I don't see me having any problems from streaming because I already do it on GeForce now, so I rather save money
Come on, you know perfectly well what I mean. I can already remote play my PS4 games. And when I buy a PS5 I'm buying it for the games that will never be released on Stadia.
I want to get some ps5 exclusives too, I hope I can just get them on PSnow though
stadia will have exclusives too eventually
PS5 exclusives will most likely get on PS Now eventually, and whatever exclusives Stadia gets I'm looking forward to seeing them. But as of right now I am not sold on Stadia yet. I know you are which is great, I hope you'll enjoy it a lot.
Google Stadia: image quality testing
If you have a very wide internet connection, Stadia supports 4K video at 60 frames per second with HDR support. However, based on conversations with Google, we expect that 1080p streaming is more likely to be the norm on connections with around 25mbps of bandwidth. Stadia will go lower, dropping down to 720p60 with connections in the region of 15mbps - but having seen it in action with an artificial cap in place, it's clear that fast action causes obvious artefacts on a large, living room display. Google itself considers this to be a 'worse case scenario'.
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This worst case scenario sounds like it might be the norm. You boot this up with a 200mbps and you are seeing artifacts due to streaming you won't be happy. Who would? This is not a legitimate substitute for a home console. It's for people who don't have data caps and want to game on various screens /on the go.
Google has complimentary service here. And I believe there is a target audience. I also think it will be killed off by google.
If you have a very wide internet connection, Stadia supports 4K video at 60 frames per second with HDR support. However, based on conversations with Google, we expect that 1080p streaming is more likely to be the norm on connections with around 25mbps of bandwidth. Stadia will go lower, dropping down to 720p60 with connections in the region of 15mbps - but having seen it in action with an artificial cap in place, it's clear that fast action causes obvious artefacts on a large, living room display. Google itself considers this to be a 'worse case scenario'.
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This worst case scenario sounds like it might be the norm. You boot this up with a 200mbps and you are seeing artifacts due to streaming you won't be happy. Who would? This is not a legitimate substitute for a home console. It's for people who don't have data caps and want to game on various screens /on the go.
Google has complimentary service here. And I believe there is a target audience. I also think it will be killed off by google.
But you can do the same with Gamepass, and xCloud, and Steam, and PSNow.
Those are all far more compelling options.
OP you make the point yourself--Google ruthlessly shuts down unsuccessful ventures. If Stadia fails and its users get left out in the cold, that's whole problem; it doesn't matter if that's not many people, the issue is that it happens at all.
No one wants to invest themselves in a platform with no future.
No one wants to invest themselves in a platform with no future.
I tried project stream and even then the delay was comparable to playing on a TV, the video compression on the other hand is a huge eye sore and I would never want to play a game in that way.
That wasn't actually a comparison between Stadia and Ouya, but you were a little too caught up in your zealotry to notice.
Yea I pretty much look forward to anything that can save me money without much compromise
"scared as fuck"
Literally no one is scared about another google project that's probably destined for cancellation.
I doubt most people have internet quality equivalent to Eurogamer's. The largest tech website in the UK.
They got decent results streaming at 1080p, which is a far cry from 4k. Which is the promise being sold. That's not even better than current hardware.
I'm not 'knocking it before i try it', i'm simply wary of salesmen telling me how awesome their product is. Everyone should be.
It'll only work in places with a good enough Internet connection though. Apparently they won't even allow you to play on cellular data at launch.
If you want to actually take games "anywhere", you need to buy a proper handheld like a Switch.
How many Founders' Editions were available in the U? 1,000? 100,000?
I mean, they didn't have a chance to test 4k, but it's reasonable to think the results would be similar.
Also, their test was over WiFi, so 166ms over WiFi is pretty impressive. They also forced their connection down to 15mbs and still got 188ms.
With a post like this it seems you don't understand any of the three products you listed aside from "they new"
There's definitely a demographic this could cater for. The people who just buy yearly releases of FIFA, Madden, NBA, CoD, etc, which make up the largest chunk of the console market. They don't really have a need to buy a $400 piece of hardware for that, especially not when Stadia is so much more portable and hassle free. Google just needs to secure the games and market it well.
I think the problem is threefold. One, Google's history of killing off projects. Two, in an era where it feels less and less like you own your games, this is taking even the local install out of your hands. Three, I think a lot of people don't believe the tech is here yet. I only believe it's ready because I played half of AC Odyssey on Project Stream. I think people will need a free trial of something like Destiny 2 to really sink their teeth in and believe without any risk.
If I buy a Wii U and some games for it, those games are fully playable even though no one else bothered to buy it. The risk here is that some online servers may shut down, which would affect some games with online components, but even when the eShop on the Wii U is finally put to bed, any games I bought physically or already have on the hard drive will still be playable in at least an offline capacity.
If I buy a bunch of games on Stadia, but not enough other people buy into Stadia, I risk losing all of those purchases in their entirety if Google decides to pull the plug, because they only exist on Google's servers. "No one - or almost no one" is irrelevant to anyone who falls into the "almost no one" category. Anyone who buys into it does so at the risk that their library goes up in smoke, at whatever level of risk they determine that to be.
I know the risks and I'm fine with it because i rarely replay games anyway, but I don't expect them to shut it down anyway
Google will quickly stop supporting their products if they're not successful out of the gate, then kill them. Time will tell if Stadia is one of those things, but i have very low expectations.
Yep, this is the biggest worry I have with Stadia.
Your purchase is forever dependent on the service being live, and with Google's ruthless track record I just don't know if I trust that they're going to be the company to back in this race.
You can't take it literally anywhere. You can take it some places that have excellent internet connections.
Good luck using Stadia in a hotel, for one example. A Switch or PS4 or laptop will work just fine in a hotel, same with an iPad or iPhone. Meanwhile, Stadia is dead in the water without a great connection. That's just one scenario, there are plenty of others.
The "whole sell here" doesn't make sense to most of us because there are lots of limitations and very few benefits.
What was your connection speed?
i agree there is no need to jump the gun day one. I think most people who frequent forums would make an informed decision. Makes sense to see how early adopters in your area are experiencing it and then make the jump. Its also worth keeping in mind that the less tech savy customers are more likely to be base their decision on word of mouth and they'd be satisfied with less than ideal response times or video compression. The promise is also playing AAA games without owning a $400 machine and that is bound to appeal to many, even at 1080p.
"Stadia will be succesful. It'll dominate other company. All hail Google"
Probably
People keep linking Killedbygoogle yet like 70-80% of whats on that page are either really insignificant things or even just forks of other bigger projects like Youtube Leanback.
Most people on here are too short sighted I think. Google is going to swing for the fences on this one and it has radically more investment both time and money wise into Stadia than most of its projects. I think the ultimate end-game for Stadia is getting a stadia app on Smart TVs.
The tech is there. The broadband penetration and speed are there and I think data cap worries are extremely overblown. I think Stadia will find a healthy market with a casual market as well as being a complementary gaming service for more core gamers. I don't think its going to be a landscape changing thing but it will find its mark and an audience.
Most people on here are too short sighted I think. Google is going to swing for the fences on this one and it has radically more investment both time and money wise into Stadia than most of its projects. I think the ultimate end-game for Stadia is getting a stadia app on Smart TVs.
The tech is there. The broadband penetration and speed are there and I think data cap worries are extremely overblown. I think Stadia will find a healthy market with a casual market as well as being a complementary gaming service for more core gamers. I don't think its going to be a landscape changing thing but it will find its mark and an audience.
Yes genius, that's exactly what I said. You win the console wars.
I'm thinking Sony and Microsoft will push back and force Google out with their own offerings. The only thing Stadia has going for it is this very narrow window before next gen hardware is available both for the consoles and the streaming platforms, once those are ready and we see what sort of business model both Sony and MS have planned I think the desire to use Stadia will dry up. Then there's the matter of exclusives and however many years it's going to take Stadia to develop any of their own unless they start tossing a lot of money around to secure anything worthwhile.
People aren't defending Google just because it's Google. There is nothing wrong with being excited for a product and being hopeful that it will turn out. That doesn't make the proponents for it some kind of corporate shill.
I don't think its "defending billion dollar companies" to call out people making baseless claims about a product they have not tried and have no intention of trying. If Stadia is a failure then its a failure. But for fucks sake at least judge the thing on its own merits. There is a difference between being skeptical and outright dismissive.
Countless people here have raised perfectly legit points about Google killing off underperforming services, as well as how various cloud-gaming services have tended to underperform. Being excited for Stadia is all well and good, but it is no excuse to be willfully ignorant and just plug your ears to other viewpoints.
That is honestly my favorite thread on this site so I hope so
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