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HeavenlyOne

The Fallen
Nov 30, 2017
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Your heart
And if you're going to say but they're hair accesories and glasses are still there, while I agree those are dumb and inconsistent, those are actually points that they didn't go far enough with the idea, not the other way around. Them still having any sort of clothing or accesories actually does undermine what was being aimed for

Those inconsistencies just show how the idea was little more than an excuse to show naked kids. They didn't "go far enough with the idea" because the "idea" was never the point. It's an after the fact justification, no better than Kojima's excuse for Quiet.
 
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Let's discuss the common complaint about Smash Bros. Ultimate (examples within)
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Wow, what a bunch of puritanical, hypocritical hot takes in here. I better see every person complaining about Morimura up in arms about these two as well. Some of you protest too much, methinks -- the body suit is an anime trope, and the kids sans clothes in mechs are reasonably well-contextualized within the narrative. Get over it, lol.
Needless to say, topless Sephiroth in a party fighter is not the same as Kisaragi and Fuyusaka looking like they're ready for doggy style.
 

Aaronrules380

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
22,473
Okay, so how does that change the legit criticism of teenage highschooler naked in mechs??
I get the concern here, but nudity doesn't have to be inherently sexual, and in this case I think the game can largely justify it for it's thematic and narrative value. And while the two instances where that nudity has been framed in an unfortunately sexual are indeed problematic and dumb, I'd argue they are not the point of that story beat, they are nowhere near as omnipresent as people like you try to make it out to be, and while unfortunate and absolutely deserving of criticism I personally think the game offers enough value and that these infringments are minor enough that I'm willing to heartily recommend the games despite the issue
 

SuzanoSho

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Dec 25, 2017
1,466
This is how far we've fallen.

"The fanservice was mild"

"It's anime, so it's normal!"

"I'm numb to naked high school girls"

Tf is wrong with some of these people?...
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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Those inconsistencies just show how the idea was little more than an excuse to show naked kids. They didn't "go far enough with the idea" because the "idea" was never the point. It's an after the fact justification, no better than Kojima's excuse for Quiet.
First off I explicitly spoiler tagged that bit on purpose because it relates to a specific major twist and I don't want to spoil anyone who hasn't played the game and is interested so I'd appreciate if you respect that
Secondly addressing your point, I absolutely disagree. I think the thematic and narrative points were decided first in this case, because it ties heavily into both the actual plot and themes the game is going for with it's ending. And if the point was explicitly to sexualize children, I'd think they'd be way more blatant about it than just poses that you barely ever actually see in the game (especially given even that only applies to 2 of 6 of the female characters this applies to)
 

pokeystaples

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Oct 27, 2017
5,354
I can't believe I almost blind bought this based on the chatter in top 10 threads. Holy moly do I not want anything to do with any of this.
 
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I beat it and it was fun but I really feel it was just a well done collection of anime and sci-fi tropes. Nothing wrong with that especially when executed well.

and I know the story reason for the nudity being "okay" and it's still not okay IMO.
just because you find out at the last moment they were 18 doesn't make it better. They think they are children, 14-16 and they are portrayed nude but without visible parts except for a few characters like Iori where their bust is implied
it's still creepy and weird to me. Good game, but it's an unnecessary design decision
 

ckfy63a

Member
Oct 28, 2017
375
a place beyond seeing...
I don't actually agree with this take at all, given that a lot of the issue is about how the medium in general treats women. There's a difference between a sexualized male character in games and a sexualized female in games because one is an exception and the other is the norm. The body suit is also dumb, being a trope doesn't inherently make it not dumb. It's stupid, serves no purpose beyond fanservice, and frankly doesn't even make much sense within the narrative and feels like it only exists in this story because it's a trope and one of the designers found it hot. Like I think the clothes thing does have genuine narrative and thematic purpose to justify why it occurs, but the Morimura stuff is absolutely worth criticizing. I don't think it ruins the game by any means, but I think the complaints are merited there

The body suit was a creative decision made by the developers of a creative work...heck, the story itself has romance, but it's about as non-sexual as you can imagine...I got to admit, I was so focused on the superb dialogue that the cat suit didn't really register with me.

Needless to say, topless Sephiroth in a party fighter is not the same as Kisaragi and Fuyusaka looking like they're ready for doggy style.

Your mind is the one that went there, pal. This mindset is part of the actual problem with consuming works like these, and frankly is less than one logical leap away from "it was okay to sexually assault her because she was wearing revealing clothes."
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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I beat it and it was fun but I really feel it was just a well done collection of anime and sci-fi tropes. Nothing wrong with that especially when executed well.

and I know the story reason for the nudity being "okay" and it's still not okay IMO.
just because you find out at the last moment they were 18 doesn't make it better. They think they are children, 14-16 and they are portrayed nude but without visible parts except for a few characters like Iori where their bust is implied
it's still creepy and weird to me. Good game, but it's an unnecessary design decision
That's not why people are excusing it and it's not even correct. People excuse it because it's directly tied to the birthing pod twist where it frankly wouldn't make sense for them to have clothes and because them emerging naked into the new world at the end is very explcitly meant to be symbolic of birth and new beginnings
 

Lobster Roll

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Sep 24, 2019
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Your mind is the one that went there, pal. This mindset is part of the actual problem with consuming works like these, and frankly is less than one logical leap away from "it was okay to sexually assault her because she was wearing revealing clothes."
I guess if you're going to misrepresent somebody's point, you may as well go all-in. Best of luck to you.
 

Abylim

Member
Oct 29, 2017
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George Kamitani is a fucked up person. In case y'all forgot, there's a boss fight in Odin Sphere against the Queen of the Dead, and she spends the entire boss fight playing with one of her own tits.

Oh, and did I mention she doesn't actually have a torso? She's a head, a pair of tits and some arms attached to a bony spinal column and that's it.

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Shit like this is why Vanillaware does not ever deserve the benefit of the doubt.


Maybe its the alcohol, but how does that make him a fucked up person? Its quite sexualised for sure, but theres nothing wrong with sex, and that certainly doesn't make one fucked up.
 

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Maybe its the alcohol, but how does that make him a fucked up person? Its quite sexualised for sure, but theres nothing wrong with sex, and that certainly doesn't make one fucked up.
Women aren't allowed to enjoy or be confident in their bodies. At least if they're fictional.

EDIT: I apparently needed to say /s.
 
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Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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Been watching anime for years and just started playing 13 Sentinels today. The partner and I have been laughing about the adult teacher's ridiculous proportions all day. As far the the rest of the cast is concerned, I'd say it's pretty tame by Japanese standards. That's not necessarily saying much, but I've seen much, much worse.
 

Abylim

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Oct 29, 2017
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Women aren't allowed to enjoy or be confident in their bodies. At least if they're fictional.


Hey i get that, the queen in Odin Sphere is hyper Sexualised, and was created by a man, so its not really a woman owning her own confident body, but i just dont think that characters cant be sexual, or if they are, it certainly doesn't make their creator a "fucked up person".
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Your mind is the one that went there, pal. This mindset is part of the actual problem with consuming works like these, and frankly is less than one logical leap away from "it was okay to sexually assault her because she was wearing revealing clothes."
Oh jesus, please. If this is the level of argument I'm gonna get then my defense is Kamitani broke into my house and gave me a covert hand job anytime their cockpit portraits were on screen to trick me into thinking they were designed to be sexually suggestive.
 

Kiria

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Oct 29, 2017
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Women aren't allowed to enjoy or be confident in their bodies. At least if they're fictional.
bodacious women isn't realistic in games when they infact exist in real life

im talking about the complaints about adult morimura

complain about her cat suit and her posing there but I don't think its fair saying her body needed to be changed
 

PlanetSmasher

The Abominable Showman
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Oct 25, 2017
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Hey i get that, the queen in Odin Sphere is hyper Sexualised, and was created by a man, so its not really a woman owning her own confident body, but i just dont think that characters cant be sexual, or if they are, it certainly doesn't make their creator a "fucked up person".

He's fucked up because every single game he's involved in is full of overwrought, unnecessary sexualization and objectification of women. It's clear he's the source of all of the grossness in Vanillaware's games.
 

Aaronrules380

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
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George Kamitani is a fucked up person. In case y'all forgot, there's a boss fight in Odin Sphere against the Queen of the Dead, and she spends the entire boss fight playing with one of her own tits.

Oh, and did I mention she doesn't actually have a torso? She's a head, a pair of tits and some arms attached to a bony spinal column and that's it.

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Shit like this is why Vanillaware does not ever deserve the benefit of the doubt.
I get the Kamitani has a spotty track record on this issue to say the least and I think it's totally fair to bring up concerns. That's why I try to argue that this time their is genuine artistic and narrative merit to some of the decisions, because I understand why this stuff concerns people but I do think having played through the game myself that at least some of the concerns are ultimately unwarranted. I'm clearly not the only person who thinks this way on the forum. We aren't asking you to give Kamitani the benefit of the doubt, we're asking you to give us the benefit of the doubt as people who understand your concerns. If you still refuse to that's fine I guess, but I feel like it's pretty shitty when people are acting like I'm fine with child pornography or shit like that because having experienced the game personallyI came to a conclusion that contradicts their preconcieved expectations
 

ckfy63a

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Oct 28, 2017
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a place beyond seeing...
I guess if you're going to misrepresent somebody's point, you may as well go all-in. Best of luck to you.

I don't think I'm misrepresenting the point that explicitly mentions a sexual position, but we can agree to disagree. I just wanted to pop my head in this thread to defend what I consider to be one of the greatest narrative experiences, across any storytelling medium, of the last 5 years. I actually avoid a lot of anime because the tropes do get old and eye-roll worthy after a while, but to reduce this game to those tropes is to do it and Vanillaware a tremendous disservice. It's so much more than that, and I hope it can be experienced by as many people as possible--some posters' attempts at a hit job notwithstanding.

Best of luck to you, too.
 

Izanagi89

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Oct 27, 2017
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I beat it and it was fun but I really feel it was just a well done collection of anime and sci-fi tropes. Nothing wrong with that especially when executed well.

and I know the story reason for the nudity being "okay" and it's still not okay IMO.
just because you find out at the last moment they were 18 doesn't make it better. They think they are children, 14-16 and they are portrayed nude but without visible parts except for a few characters like Iori where their bust is implied
it's still creepy and weird to me. Good game, but it's an unnecessary design decision

Thats not the excuse or justification for them being naked?

Its the fact that after every loop they're killed and reborn in the pods again. Which is why clothing wouldn't make sense.
 

m0therzer0

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Nov 19, 2017
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Been watching anime for years and just started playing 13 Sentinels today. The partner and I have been laughing about the adult teacher's ridiculous proportions all day. As far the the rest of the cast is concerned, I'd say it's pretty tame by Japanese standards. That's not necessarily saying much, but I've seen much, much worse.
I've no intention of playing this game because none of it is really my style anyway, but this even seems tame by my country (U.S.) standards for evening television. I watched a bunch of Riverdale and the teenagers on that show were fucking all the time.
 

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George Kamitani is a fucked up person. In case y'all forgot, there's a boss fight in Odin Sphere against the Queen of the Dead, and she spends the entire boss fight playing with one of her own tits.

Oh, and did I mention she doesn't actually have a torso? She's a head, a pair of tits and some arms attached to a bony spinal column and that's it.

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Shit like this is why Vanillaware does not ever deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Why would you post a picture that basically proves mostly everything you said incorrect? She has a torso, she has a lower body. She also doesn't play with her tits. Her hand is on the bony structure between her breasts. Ya know, like when someone normally touches their chest.

I get hating the sexualized nature of the large breasts. But really, making stuff up to make it sound so much worse doesn't help your cause. It turns people away when they realize what you're doing.
 
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Quick reminder for everyone that this is the first Vanillaware game without Kamitani as it's artist. Which is almost certainly why it's so much less sexual than the past ones.
 

Izanagi89

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Oct 27, 2017
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It really doesn't feel sexualized at all, and given the context about why they're naked (it's not a 1000 year old demon trope) it makes sense. I totally understand the complaints about Morimura but nothing outside of that feels like fanservice. Bringing up previous games is painting this game in a completely different light which kind of isn't reflective of what it is.
 

oskilatah

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May 31, 2019
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User banned (permanent): Dismissing concerns around the sexualization of minors and antagonism over a series of posts. Account in junior phase.
The fact that some of you are so up in arms about this is wild. It's barely offensive. Hyper sexualization occurs in all media: Japanese or otherwise. Some of these posts make it sound like the game contains child pornography.

Furthermore, it's for art to make you uncomfortable.
 

Abylim

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Oct 29, 2017
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He's fucked up because every single game he's involved in is full of overwrought, unnecessary sexualization and objectification of women. It's clear he's the source of all of the grossness in Vanillaware's games.


That still seems like quite the insult for someone who is drawing oversexualised characters. You dont think its too extreme to call someone who does this, "a fucked up person"?

this all just comes off as super extreme to me, and kinda like sex is gross. The queen isnt under age, she's just ridiculously sexualised. Its tasteless, yeah. But the guy likes drawing exaggerated designs.

Aside from Morimura, I dont think anyone was exaggerated in 13 sentinels.
 

Min

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've no intention of playing this game because none of it is really my style anyway, but this even seems tame by my country (U.S.) standards for evening television. I watched a bunch of Riverdale and the teenagers on that show were fucking all the time.

Yeah this just seems like it's grasping for controversy...

"We should discuss the nudity in this game. Here are examples."

The examples of nudity:

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Oct 27, 2017
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That's not why people are excusing it and it's not even correct. People excuse it because it's directly tied to the birthing pod twist where it frankly wouldn't make sense for them to have clothes and because them emerging naked into the new world at the end is very explcitly meant to be symbolic of birth and new beginnings
I should've mentioned that too. They didn't need to be naked for that plot point. I know, it wouldn't make sense but seriously, it's a video game. I'm the camp of if you have to find justification for naked teen anime characters, you've already made a mistake.

like they could've just been in some
futuristic anime sci-fi armor that facilitates growth in the pod or something.

it's also outright comical how
Yakushiji has massively large breasts covered by her arm in the scene with Juro. Like lol what? She never showed anything like thah in her previous character models? Why even add that? Yeah they're naked in the pods but ugh why are you giving this 14 year old who I just learned is maybe 18 (that's still creepy folks) really, really big boobs ?
 
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Thats not the excuse or justification for them being naked?

Its the fact that after every loop they're killed and reborn in the pods again. Which is why clothing wouldn't make sense.
It's a video game. They could've easily justify clothing. They could've wore
some sci-fi suit. They have nanomachines in their blood you're telling me nanomachines couldn't have made them respectable attire thah also helped increased their growth in the pods?

I don't think all the portraits are bad, but some are worse than others like Iori's. And there are upskirt shots where you briefly see their underwear, which again, they are minors.
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Gorgosh

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Oct 26, 2017
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Barring very MINOR tropes the game handled everything pretty well and tame for an anime high-school game. I think even other Main-Stream games like Persona or Final Fantasy are "worse" in many regards. I think it is pretty stupid to attack people over this game of all things. There even is a non-stupid story reason why they are naked, unlike something like Quiet. Also people saying "only the women" are flat out wrong. Every guy in this game is athletic and also naked.

If this is the bar to "alter discussion about a game", you have to alter it for 90% of anime games that have women in them, because things like in this game always pop up... it is part of the deal and most of the time really not an issue. I can understand altering discussion and putting disclaimers with something like Cyberpunk and CDPR, but if we alter discussion based on every issue a few posters have, there won't be many games left to discuss on here....
 

oskilatah

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May 31, 2019
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You know what's the cringeworthy thing in this thread? Three pages of adults arguing about semi-nude above the shoulder character portraits in a visual novel. It's quite possible to acknowledge that it's a bit distasteful and move on without concern trolling.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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I should've mentioned that too. They didn't need to be naked for that plot point. I know, it wouldn't make sense but seriously, it's a video game. I'm the camp of if you have to find justification for naked teen anime characters, you've already made a mistake.

like they could've just been in some
futuristic anime sci-fi armor that facilitates growth in the pod or something.

it's also outright comical how
Yakushiji has massively large breasts covered by her arm in the scene with Juro. Like lol what? She never showed anything like thah in her previous character models? Why even add that? Yeah they're naked in the pods but ugh why are you giving this 14 year old who I just learned is maybe 18 (that's still creepy folks) really, really big boobs ?
Again it's not just for the the narrative plot point, it's also a thematic point since it's meant to be symbolic of a new birth, and human beings are born naked. Like I don't think the point was to make a story with naked teens and then find reasons to justify it, I think they started with the whole birthing pod idea and the nakedness was a natural consequence of how that would play into the story. I agree it's gross if they just wanted to include naked teens, but I legitimately don't think that's the case here. I also want to point out that they aren't 18, they were meant to emerge at 18 if the program had worked as intended but because the Kaiju stuff was snuck in that was impossible because the Kaiju's were set to appear a few years before they turned 18 so that program couldn't move to the next phase. I think there's an arguement you could've made the characters older but I also think that'd requiring major retoolings of the story as well and I think the fact that the characters were adolescents was also chosen for narrative and thematic reasons as well so you can't really tell the same story if you change that bit either
 

Soriku

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Nov 12, 2017
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it is an anime game.
none of this is something anime fans haven't seen 1000x before if not worse.

People in here acting like their is graphic sex or something. There is some large breasted characters, and some shots of some bare shoulders.

This barely even registered for me while playing it.

It doesn't register because the game doesn't really call attention to it. The story is played very very straight. A few things like Morimura and the two portraits stick out (btw I didn't even notice that panty shot when I played it), no it's not necessary, but somehow I'm not surprised a lot of the people here who are taking gross offense to this haven't even played the game. I've also noticed some people trying to bash it for using some basic anime tropes, like OK? The game was getting praise for the story for a reason, not that you'd understand that because you haven't or barely played it.

If you take the comments at face value you'd think this some weird pedo sex game. Take the moral high ground I guess by not purchasing it, but let's not exaggerate. The game is a 40+ hour scifi VN. That's what it's about, not some basic ass titilation. Like I said these elements aren't necessary, but frankly I think you're more of a weirdo if you're THAT bothered.

Also the 1000 year old dragon argument is stupid because that trope almost seems intended to make you (the player) feel like less of a creep for wanting to date (if it's one of those games with dating elements) an underage looking character or something along those lines. 13 Sentinels has no dating elements or anything like that as the story is about defined characters, not a shoe in for the player.
 

Keyouta

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To be clear, I'm not excusing the problematic content that does exist, but I'm just fucking tired of people acting like it's the game's defining feature when it's incredibly tame and minor. Final Fantasy X sexualizes Rikku, who is 15, way more than any off the teenage characters in this game and you don't have people acting like you're ok with child porn or shit like that when people say they liked that game. Is it dumb and bad in both cases? yeah. Should we ask for better? yeah. Do you have to play it if this bothers you too much? No. Is it a problem if it bothers you that much? Absolutely not. But a bunch of people here act like it's some major part of the game and it's really, really fucking not
I haven't played the game but I'd have to agree with this. From what I'm hearing from multiple people, this game doesn't go out of its way just to sexualize minors. I've looked at all the portraits and screenshots in the op, and they don't seem to have anything ridiculous. Yes girls in highschool used to wear gym uniforms like that. A girl falls to her knees in one scene for like what, 20 seconds?

While it could of course be better in some instances with portrayal, I don't see much of an issue.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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Whos's this "we" anyway?
???
That's impossible to answer without you pointing out a specific instance since "we" has been used to refer to different subjects in this thread. Like sometimes it might refer to fans of the game. Sometimes it might be referring to resetera as a whole. Depending on who is saying it it might be referring to the critics. In some uses here it might be referring to a specific set of users.
 

svacina

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Oct 25, 2017
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???
That's impossible to answer without you pointing out a specific instance since "we" has been used to refer to different subjects in this thread. Like sometimes it might refer to fans of the game. Sometimes it might be referring to resetera as a whole. Depending on who is saying it it might be referring to the critics. In some uses here it might be referring to a specific set of users.
I mostly just dislike when people are trying to hide their opinions behind some nebulous group to give them more weight and the OP was full of that.
 

Kiria

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Oct 29, 2017
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Again it's not just for the the narrative plot point, it's also a thematic point since it's meant to be symbolic of a new birth, and human beings are born naked. Like I don't think the point was to make a story with naked teens and then find reasons to justify it, I think they started with the whole birthing pod idea and the nakedness was a natural consequence of how that would play into the story. I agree it's gross if they just wanted to include naked teens, but I legitimately don't think that's the case here. I also want to point out that they aren't 18, they were meant to emerge at 18 if the program had worked as intended but because the Kaiju stuff was snuck in that was impossible because the Kaiju's were set to appear a few years before they turned 18 so that program couldn't move to the next phase. I think there's an arguement you could've made the characters older but I also think that'd requiring major retoolings of the story as well and I think the fact that the characters were adolescents was also chosen for narrative and thematic reasons as well so you can't really tell the same story if you change that bit either

actual plan is have them emerge at the age of 20 not 18... also Nenji Ogata pointed out that he was lucky that Tomi outside doesn't have a young body and was actually surprised that her body in the simulation wasn't as developed as he remembers implying they emerged on the pod older than the simulation one so approx 16 to 19 it doesn't really say
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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actual plan is have them emerge at the age of 20 not 18... also Nenji Ogata pointed out that he was lucky that Tomi outside doesn't have a young body and was actually surprised that her body in the simulation wasn't as developed as he remembers implying they emerged on the pod older than the simulation one so approx 16 to 19 it doesn't really say
You are correct they emerge at 20, but that's because the idea was that they enter that phase of the program at 18 years old and then get taught about what they'd need to know to survive and continue the project for two years before emerging. Which would also still be consistent with your second part since they start the next phase early at 16 and then emerge at 18 two years after the final battle. The timeline is pretty explicit and it's made pretty clear in the mystery files that they were all born exactly when the simulation started 16 years before the game give or take a few days between each character
 

Gravidee

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Oct 28, 2017
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You know what's the cringeworthy thing in this thread? Three pages of adults arguing about semi-nude above the shoulder character portraits in a visual novel. It's quite possible to acknowledge that it's a bit distasteful and move on without concern trolling.

Yeah, it's obvious that some folks are just using it as an opportunity to drive by and shit on an anime game that they haven't nor will ever play regardless of the level of sexuality in it.
 

Jakenbakin

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I should've mentioned that too. They didn't need to be naked for that plot point. I know, it wouldn't make sense but seriously, it's a video game. I'm the camp of if you have to find justification for naked teen anime characters, you've already made a mistake.

like they could've just been in some
futuristic anime sci-fi armor that facilitates growth in the pod or something.

it's also outright comical how
Yakushiji has massively large breasts covered by her arm in the scene with Juro. Like lol what? She never showed anything like thah in her previous character models? Why even add that? Yeah they're naked in the pods but ugh why are you giving this 14 year old who I just learned is maybe 18 (that's still creepy folks) really, really big boobs ?
I said this earlier but it's pretty basic. Kamitani said he started with the last scene first, with them waking up from the pods to explore a new world. It parallels a new birth of the human race on this new planet, and it adds to the newness of them experiencing real life for the first time ever. In a game laden with and utilizing sci-fi tropes it's also obviously paying homage to the Matrix.

As to the big boobs, I guess I just don't remember that but sure, a lot of the topic already covers that the art is more provocative and problematic than the intent.

They didn't find a justification for nudity, nudity can actually just be a part of any art. It's okay to seperate the plot element of nudity from the actual visual design when you talk about this stuff. Like there's really nothing wrong with the fact they're nude, that doesn't need to be "justified". What would need to be "justified" is why some of the characters seem to be particularly sexualized and for me I'm not going to do that besides saying it's obviously to pander to an audience that I'd rather just not exist.

So few critics of 13 Sentinels seem willing to budge from the fact that actually yes, the nudity might be critical to what they wanted to create in a non-sexual way, but problematic elements exist in the visual elements.
 

signal

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Oct 28, 2017
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Google image searching this game, are these like battle initiation animations or something lol. Again, tame, but corny.

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EllipsisBreak

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actual plan is have them emerge at the age of 20 not 18... also Nenji Ogata pointed out that he was lucky that Tomi outside doesn't have a young body and was actually surprised that her body in the simulation wasn't as developed as he remembers implying they emerged on the pod older than the simulation one so approx 16 to 19 it doesn't really say
Didn't the epilogue take place years after the fact?
 

Kiria

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You are correct they emerge at 20, but that's because the idea was that they enter that phase of the program at 18 years old and then get taught about what they'd need to know to survive and continue the project for two years before emerging. Which would also still be consistent with your second part since they start the next phase early at 16 and then emerge at 18 two years after the final battle. The timeline is pretty explicit and it's made pretty clear in the mystery files that they were all born exactly when the simulation started 16 years before the game give or take a few days between each character

on my second part like I said I'm not sure on their age upon emerging but just iirc nenji implied he actually doesn't remember "flat" tomi and he's lucky she's "filled out" and my interpretation is them being way older than the simulation one.. as I don't think any of them won't remember the day or how people looked upon emerging one thing for sure they are less than 20
 

Dice

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I've no intention of playing this game because none of it is really my style anyway, but this even seems tame by my country (U.S.) standards for evening television. I watched a bunch of Riverdale and the teenagers on that show were fucking all the time.

Riverdale's first season has a student hooking up with their teacher.

The show is often far from healthy bar to set for good relationships and well-written stories.

Teens do have sex. But horny artists draw naked teens with their backsides facing the camera.

Google image searching this game, are these like battle initiation animations or something lol. Again, tame, but corny.

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I agree it's tame (fortunately), but the double-standard is always there it's basically expected lol. The girls have their marks in more exposing areas, and the guys in more innocuous (easy-to-reach) places like their wrist, neck, and ankle.

...lol Id have died to see a guy awkwardly unzip to press his thigh button 😂
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AbsoluteZ3R0

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Lmao at the people trying to justify naked high school girls. No thematic symbolism is worth this kind of shit.
 
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