Getting Puerto Rico and D.C. as states would help that along. Red states are never gonna accept that. On top of that, you have to get over the supreme court with that when enough states sign on.
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Let's be honest, the election of Trump (and other awful people) shows western democracy has failed
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No disrespect, but some of you guys need to revisit a history class...
Few have ever said our form of democracy was perfect, but when identifying the types of government one could have your choices range from less bad to awful. It's referred to as an experiment purposefully...
Few have ever said our form of democracy was perfect, but when identifying the types of government one could have your choices range from less bad to awful. It's referred to as an experiment purposefully...
If the Democrats took control of the Senate in 2020, would they be able to push that legislation then?
First reply was before you read the post, huh?
See I read the first two paragraphs and thought I got the jist. Yeeeeaaaaah, that's a nope.
Really? I saw plenty of homeless people lying in the sidewalks of Shanghai.
Just because you don't hear about their problems doesn't mean they don't exist. Unlike China, democratic countries usually air their dirty laundry in public. That's one of the reasons everyone's convinced their life/country is so terrible. Add social media, and it leads us to where we are now.
Democracy hasn't failed. But it is party over country. Which will be apparent for everyone to see when Trump gets impeached, but not removed from office.
Problems in authoritarian countries do exist, they are just repressed and hidden. Homelessness (or ghetto living) is a thing in all major industrial hubs in China.
The whole thing reeka of "the trains ran in time!!" which was a lie created by the opressive government as a way to legitimize themselves
The whole thing reeka of "the trains ran in time!!" which was a lie created by the opressive government as a way to legitimize themselves
The systems are old, the infrastructure decayed, the populace largely disengaged and propaganda machines are far more focused and expansive than anyone could have possibly planned for.
There isnt anything necessarily wrong with the concept of democracy, or even many of its implementations, if it had the appropriate safeguards and actually tried to keep everyone engaged. The problems with the system are the same problems that will infest every system, if left unchecked- corruption, greed and abuse of power by self interested players.
The US isnt suffering from one bad election - it is struggling under the weight of an untenable economic system, an outdated electoral process, systemic corruption at all levels of governance and institutional racism/sexism/bigotry. Trump is a pustual.
There isnt anything necessarily wrong with the concept of democracy, or even many of its implementations, if it had the appropriate safeguards and actually tried to keep everyone engaged. The problems with the system are the same problems that will infest every system, if left unchecked- corruption, greed and abuse of power by self interested players.
The US isnt suffering from one bad election - it is struggling under the weight of an untenable economic system, an outdated electoral process, systemic corruption at all levels of governance and institutional racism/sexism/bigotry. Trump is a pustual.
You aren't wrong. The majority of people are too stupid or selfish to handle democracy. Humanity is doomed imho, we will never tackel the problems we need to to stop the collapse of civilization along with the environment in our lifetime. I think our only real hope of long term survival is managing to create a benevolent AI that can run governments for us without stupidity and selfishness coming into play.
It's more than a simple law though. Amendments are pretty high bars to pass since they require 2/3 votes in both houses or state legislatures to even bring them to a vote and then 3/4 of the states have to ratify it.
Much higher bar than a simple house majority.
We can't even make an AI that isn't sexist to women applying for jobs.
Dude is allowed to freely gloat about the complete destruction of rule and law and obscene obstruction and is met with a collective shrug.
We are a failed experiment.
Democracy is also contingent on the public being educated, and those institutions are in a damn freefall.
While all of this is true, a temporary aberration in "the other side" winning doesn't indicate the failure of western democracy. The whole point of the system is constant elections, and that runs the risk of bad actors winning.
Maybe.
Then again, you probably just have an axe to grind against the United States, OP.
Have fun.
Then again, you probably just have an axe to grind against the United States, OP.
Have fun.
Oh is all they're sacrificing? That's it? What a deal!
No, this is part of the process. A democratic society has its stumbles, but if anything this shows that there are not enough laws preventing the control of information by a few individuals or corps.
Also China is also hella corrupt.
It's almost like governments serve their captial class whether or not the are democratic
It's almost like governments serve their captial class whether or not the are democratic
I've never really been a fan of this take. We had democracy in the 1800s. People were not somehow better educated a hundred years ago than they are today.
If people are dumb it's incumbent on the politicians to use smaller words, and the media and parties to push back against bad candidates. The pushback is what was lacking. If you want to blame the elites for Trump, blame the ones who knew he was a danger and a moral abomination but counted the cost to themselves for speaking out more dearly than the cost to the country because "Hillary's definitely going to win anyway." Those are the people who helped put him in office, cynically, for personal gain.
All I can say is that this authoritarian bent that I see voiced here on a regular basis can fuck right off.
Imagine if Trump banned Facebook, imprisoned all political opponents, ended elections, had citizens disappear on a regular basis, ended free press, etc.
Now that you be really bad.
Well, that's China... So yeah..
To be honest, felt like you just threw in China in there because you haven't really researched this topic enough.
Might want to reconsider actually looking into the politics of other countries first, then provide a more nuance, and fuller topic of discussion.
An argument can certainly be made on your core topic, but the way you framed it here, especially with the faulty example of China as a comparison, without delving deeper into the deeper issues which underlie those perceived "benefits" of the system, isn't great for your overall conversation you'd actually want on this topic.
Might want to reconsider actually looking into the politics of other countries first, then provide a more nuance, and fuller topic of discussion.
An argument can certainly be made on your core topic, but the way you framed it here, especially with the faulty example of China as a comparison, without delving deeper into the deeper issues which underlie those perceived "benefits" of the system, isn't great for your overall conversation you'd actually want on this topic.
One problem with democracy is that it favours the position of the majority by definition. And you'll find that often this majority doesn't give a fuck about minorities.
This thread is making me wonder many Americans would shrug and go about their day if tomorrow the military installed mayor Pete and ran the show, went hard on Russia, and weren't overtly sexist/racist/homophobic?
(not bc of the responses, just wondering in general)
(not bc of the responses, just wondering in general)
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You seem to be working on the assumption that Trump cannot win the popular vote, but thats not something i can even be confident about at this point, the way things are going (and assuming he isnt removed)
User Banned (permanent): dismissing ethnic cleansing
On the other side, reports says that Chinese Government is modernizing Uighur region, while respecting their religion and traditions, building mosques and muslim schools. Factories have their schedules adjusted to their time for prayings, etc.
We need to be aware that major economic players in west own the big media. There is a trade war happening.
Lol if you think it's bad now, wait till we get mass deepfakes + rising ethnic population
Trump 2.0 but with a brain to implement his agenda is gonna win soon, it's only a matter of time
Trump 2.0 but with a brain to implement his agenda is gonna win soon, it's only a matter of time
Democracy gets one thing very right, transition of power.
On most places, every 4 years, no matter how good is perceived or how well its doing, the govt needs to transition.
The problem is everything around that. politicians try to game this transition in a myriad of ways. Not only politicians, but corporations as well, through lobbying for example, they pay every politician to hedge their bets, the political parties that centralize the directives to whoever is there, etc.
everything around the ideia of transition of power needs to be regulated. The power of the executive branch needs to be checked, yes, but the problem is everyone hold their breaths for who is next and all institutions want to make sre the person is someone they choose, and this brings about alot of trouble,
On most places, every 4 years, no matter how good is perceived or how well its doing, the govt needs to transition.
The problem is everything around that. politicians try to game this transition in a myriad of ways. Not only politicians, but corporations as well, through lobbying for example, they pay every politician to hedge their bets, the political parties that centralize the directives to whoever is there, etc.
everything around the ideia of transition of power needs to be regulated. The power of the executive branch needs to be checked, yes, but the problem is everyone hold their breaths for who is next and all institutions want to make sre the person is someone they choose, and this brings about alot of trouble,
because I lowkey believe was grown in a lab to be the ideal inoffensive, socially liberal front man for military industrial and market intrests?
I mean you could pick someone else it it makes you feel better
what you are saying is exactly the reasoning of totalitarians, even today, it's the exact thing the Kremlin, CCP, etc say to its populace.
Well I'll concede that it's gonna require a much deeper dive on the topic than we're going to get into here. But what I'm thinking is, the level of actual education doesn't seem to be the crux of the matter as much as the chaotic misinformation that takes its place (and little or no means to resist it).
There was probably a lot of misinformation in the 1800s, but the magnitude and scale of it today is utterly decimating people's ability to reason, even if they are generally more educated. That's my quick glance at the issue, anyway.
wouldn't these major economic players in the west who own big media want to keep a healthy relationship with china and avoid a trade war since that would impact their wallets? so insinuating that these "good" things aren't being reported by these western media outlets...to...further hurt their owner's wallets seems counter intuitive, no?
well uh he's gay so that already offends a large group of the country
Yeah holy shit.
and goddamn Russia played everyone like a fiddle. I don't get how this is constantly getting overlooked.
They've made all the right moves to sow discord and disbelief. and No this isn't putting the sole blame on them, but they knew all the right buttons to push to use our own internet infrastructure to disrupt it all.
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