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DNAbro

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This is going to be a very hard sell for a majority of people but considering how it has completely enraptured me for the past 4 days I need more people to know about it cause somebody out there is going to read this and possibly discover a new personal favorite and new possible GOTY. As a note of what my previous front runner for GOTY was before this was MH Rise (which is still incredibly excellent and I will be going back to playing it since I finally finished this). Also completely ignoring the "are VNs games" crowd, the argument doesn't really matter, expand your mind on what a game can be.

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Echo by Echo Project

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So what is Echo? Echo is a indie visual novel that has been in development for the last 6 years and has had it's final update/release earlier this month. To quote it's Itch.io page

"Echo is a horror visual novel about a small, isolated, desert town located somewhere in the southwestern states.


During spring break, Chase, a young otter who grew up in Echo, is back for a school project aimed at documenting an event in the 1870's that may have lead to the town's current state. He's joined by five friends, who grew up with him in Echo, taking the chance to have a little reunion. Unfortunately, Chase begins to realize that their memories of Echo may have been a bit rose-tinted. Being back in the town digs up old and painful memories; secrets that lead to rifts in the group that have been boiling under the surface for years. On top of that, Chase begins to realize that Echo itself may have its own secrets. Odd and unexplained memories that he always blamed on an overactive childhood imagination may not have been imagined at all.

Finally, an event is triggered that turns these fears into something much more tangible and dangerous. Chase is now forced into a situation in which he must help his friends either face, or escape their demons. Eitherway, Echo is not keen on letting them go...
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If I had to describe the game using other properties I would describe it as "Silent Hill x Hereditary (the movie) x BEASTARS." Echo, the town in the game, is a town on it's last legs full of a lot of broken and drugged up people. While that in itself is it's own brand horror the town itself has a super natural effect on people that seem to amplify their worst qualities and fears. The reason I compare it to Hereditary is that a big part of that movie (at least up the first half climax) is watching the madness start to seep in and wondering which things were real or not, and Echo does a fantastic job of towing that line of where the town's supernatural influence begins and people's personal grievances/traumas end.

Also this is that good slow burning horror, that feeling that something is wrong and keeps building up and up to a crescendo where things explode into some absolutely huge "holy shit" moments. After finishing the first character route I was left aghast at what just occurred that I had to spend time processing it and then go back in immediately staying up til 2 AM on a work day just so I could see more and what secrets/horrors the game still held. And when I came back to another route I was presented with almost different styles of horror where different parts of the town take center stage in how they are terrifying. It could be something completely supernatural at center stage or focus on the absolutely horrible things that were already occurring with the people living there.

There is a definite feeling of satisfaction once certain dots connect as the mysteries unravel across the 5 different character routes. There are plenty of things to figure out and piece together and see how everything is connected and it doesn't hold your hand in you figuring these things out. The routes are non-linear so you don't do things in order and do a "true ending" type of deal but with the game being developed and released over 6 years there are definitely plot points you might want to see first.

As far as "gameplay" you are making choices to get either good or bad endings. Choices aren't too frequent. This is 100% a visual novel and not some kind of hybrid. And also to compare it to the breakout hit visual novel that got mainstream attention "Doki Doki Literature Club", it doesn't really play those kind of tricks. DDLC is visual novel that "sells" itself as a dating sim that plays with the tropes of VN/Dating sims and completely subverts them to tell a horror story. Echo does play with some "dating sim" tropes (sometimes to horrifying degrees) and VN tropes, but it bills itself as a horror story first and foremost. You aren't going to get that meta-ness as seen DDLC and the game isn't really about dating cute furries even when the game sometimes acts like it.

And yes the elephant in the room I haven't addressed, yes it's furry. It's relevant to the plot, some of the actions taken are possible due to the species the characters are. If for some reason that's the breaking point for you well that's how it is.

Of course a huge portion of any story is the characters and I would love to say this is a lovable cast of characters but no, some of these people are complete and utter assholes. Every single character has a lot of baggage and have dealt with it in various ways, this goes for almost every main and side character. Not to say this is a cast of irredeemable assholes, I did end up caring about the main cast by the end and wishing kind of happiness for all of them. As I mentioned the town of Echo has a habit of bringing out the absolute worst in people and you are going to see characters at some of their shittiest points. The game as I said is split up across 5 different character routes where the story will focus more on said character on their route. Whether the character route is for the MC's (Chase) ex-boyfriend Leo or his stoner best friend Carl, you will learn and see some of the best and worst parts of them. It will get into some very deep and personal issues that might be uncomfortable for some people. There were some moments that brought me near to tears, some conversations that made me feel incredibly thankful for what I have, and some parts that felt relatable to my life. And as a major note, the main character Chase is gay, it's important to the story and was and is a big defining point of his life being gay in a small town. It's not the only defining characteristic obviously but it's nice to have a story where it is important and not swept under the rug/a fantasy world where that is wouldn't effect you growing up.

The music is good. Nothing too crazy but there are some definitely stand out songs that will stick with you and it does a great job of setting the tone. Some songs may eventually worm their way into your head and I spent a bit of time just listening to the title screen music after finishing a route to process what I just played and it felt appropriate.

As far as how it's visually presented, it's a VN through and through. Majority of the time you will be reading text, with character portraits talking and the backgrounds are edited real pictures. The edited backgrounds kind of lend a more grounded yet surreal feel to the whole thing, like you can imagine these places as real but not concrete enough to fully see it. Feels very fitting. There are also the occasional CGs which can be fantastic looking and I'm avoiding posting the best ones cause they can be impactful with some stunning imagery.

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After finishing Echo I had a feeling of "holy shit that was such an amazing experience", where you kind of just sit there and think about how much you loved what you just played. I am sure other people know the feeling. You can tell all the care and detail that went into it and why it took almost 6 years to complete. It's going to be hard for something this year to beat it for me personally, (though Endwalker and possibly NEO:TWEWY could do it) cause this felt almost tailor made to me. I'm glad I discovered it just as it finished. Also as I said in the title it is FREE, the game was funded via Patreon and they are currently working on both a prequel and sequel to this game. I don't think it hurts to try. As far as game length I wan to say it's about 25-30 hours? I honestly lost track of time as I played it but it absolutely ate up the last 4 days of my life where I basically only played it except for a bit yesterday cause I needed a mental break from it.

I have to put two major warnings on this, there are descriptions of (gay) sex that occur on certain routes, it gets a bit explicit but there are no accompanying visual and this isn't "that kind" of VN. You aren't playing this to get off and I would not qualify it as smut. This might be enough to not be allowed on the site due to that but honestly if you are an adult who has seen R rated movie sex scene, you will probably be fine, just skip over the text if it bothers you. The main character is gay and will sometimes make comments about other guys bodies.

EDIT: As a even fairer warning I am going to describe a bit more in detail about what acts take place so you can know if it might be too much for you. These actions are all text based with no visuals. Some light spoilers for some routes

The MC who is Chase and others will make various dick and sex jokes. Chase will mention being hard/aroused at times in every route and will refer to his junk. Casual mentions of jerking off and people having sex in every route. Characters embracing and getting slightly aroused is also common.

In Leo's route there is a scene where Chase and him start to grope each other and make out that makes mentions of their dicks. It cuts to black before any actual sex happens and skips to the morning after.

Flynn's route has the most sexual related senes in the game. Early on he and Chase start groping each other while leaning on a car and will make mention of grabbing their dicks and ass, they stop before anything further takes place. A 2nd scene describes them making out and then Chase giving a blowjob to Flynn, this is the most explicit required scene. There is later a scene where they go to a very seedy gay bar that has people publicly having sex in a backroom with mentions of things like "I've never had someone talk to me while balls deep in someone" and allusions to other more extreme sex acts. There is an optional sex scene here but if you encounter it by that point you are actively seeking it, I personally didn't cause it gives an out on being uncomfortable with the situation.

There is also a sadistic character in some routes who is obviously getting off on physically hurting others.

2nd if i had to put trigger warnings on this game it would look like this

TW: mentions of depression, anxiety, suicide, heavy drug use, rape, physical assault, murder, sexual assault, torture, child abuse, anti-semitism, slurs, homophobia, racism and spiders (trust me on that one)

this is a very, very "heavy" game. If you in a bad place mentally I cannot recommend it to you. Know your limits cause the story absolutely doesn't pull any punches and there were moments where I had to pause a tad due to some previous traumas. The game's writing isn't voyeuristic about these things, this isn't something torture porn experience like SAW, and a lot of it is just past mentions of actions, there are definitely incredibly fucked up things that are supposed to terrify you but I feel like the writing style is never indulgent in it.

If you need a guide on which routes to play and in what order, it's supposed to be free choice but there a definite ones you want to play later. IMO you should play through the character routes
TJ -> Leo -> (1 hour long prequel VN Echo Route 65) -> Carl -> Flynn -> Jenna


Well that's it. Feel free to give any thoughts or make fun of me for playing a furry visual novel. I really do hope someone gets interested enough from this to give it a try, just uhh be ready. I spent almost 3 hours writing this lol.

edit: some more thoughts after some of the discussion here.

It is very hard to recommend a gay/queer made/focused product, especially when it does have the sexual elements, to a wider audience. But I do feel that someone might enjoy it a ton even if that doesn't appeal to them or someone who is gay/queer might get even more enjoyment out of it due to those elements.



When posting this write up I absolutely was worried about some of reception to it cause of the stereotypes and some of the issues that come from it, cause it's not entirely unfounded when it comes to this game. I did feel like it's worth it if more people who might love it can take a look. As I said, it's definitely not for everyone, and it shouldn't be. This is indie as hell and not a mainstream product and the creators don't have to compromise what they do to appeal to everyone. It's absolutely fine if you aren't interested or the subject matter turns you off from giving it a try. Please don't feel bad about that.

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edit: It's been over like 2 months since I made this thread and it's still getting new people in and playing so how about I post some actual impressions since a number of people have tried it and loved it. If you don't want to believe me, maybe multiple opinions will do it.

IMPRESSIONS/FINAL THOUGHTS
In case I haven't been clear enough, if you're into queer love stories/romance, specifically if you feel unsatisfied with mlm romance in media. You should be playing these games. Leo's route is a shining example and it's so gut-wrenchingly sad and beautiful.

Finished the game last night, something like Adastra is definitely more of my taste but what a ride Echo is.


There's probably more that I want to talk about, like I said so much to unpack here. Beautifully crafted stories filled with queer characters and their struggles and furry artstyle be damned, you should at least try them since they're free.

Story rank: Flynn > Leo > Jenna = TJ > Carl
Completed Echo yesterday after around 40 hrs of playtime. I went in blind and was totally surprised for the level of content an indie VN offers, like, FE3H-level of content meatiness. Echo's dedication for exploring characters' psychology/personality striked my cord as it is my favorite theme. My play order was TJ > Flynn > Carl > Leo > Jenna.

One thing I like the most about the game is how routes are very well-connected with each other and almost all riddles can be de-mystified by reading between the lines except some clearly supernatural incidents. Echo also presents horrors very well without resorting to gory stuffs or jump scares. The use of open-source music is actually ok for me as sometimes it creates dissonance in my mind which is imo vital for psychological horror materials. Will certainly try TSR and Arches to see more of the Echo's universe, and although this may get a bit OT, I'm also open for game suggestions with similar themes on Switch and PC.
Thank you so much for the recommendation. There's a lot of posts here where I make a mental note to check out the game and then never do. Despite taking a month, something about Echo drew me back. What I got was very different from what I expected. I've played a lot of VNs with a large amount of repeated content for the different character "romances". This is not that. This is 40 hours of unique content, with each character route given its own section of the town and its own tone to match. Anyone that's played 13 Sentinels will know how effective this can be. Paths mold to the character you're following, and in doing so, each reveals something that sheds light on the others.

Echo is dark. It's not happy, despite moments of joy, but it is honest even when the characters would rather it not be. I did not expect a furry Visual Novel to give me moments akin to Sarah Palmer removing her face, and yet it captures that feeling and what Twin Peaks: The Return was going for far more successfully than most media actively trying to ape it. And like Twin Peaks: The Return, there's a deliberate slowness to it. It may not grab you right away, but stick around and you'll be rewarded with an unnatural speed that only comes from the past exploding in fire and giving chase. These are old wounds, and some stains cannot be removed. Echo is undeniably special. I think it'll stick with me for a long time.
It's such a crazy good experience and the writers should absolutely get more spotlight for this series
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edit: Another slight footnote, there has also been discussion in this thread regarding the prequel and sequel to this game which are in active development and are releasing chapters periodically. People have been using this thread to talk about said updates as they happen so some of the discussion is focused on that.
 
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Did you get into it via the furry scene or just because you were trying/looking for visual novels?

edit: sorry if you answered it already, didn't see anything about your way in
 

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I hate how people discredit an entire wide-range of art styles simply because some ppl decide to draw porn of said art styles. Always struck me as extremely prudish and with a hint of insecurity.

The game looks pretty nice, the art is very well put together from the looks of it. Im not really into visual novels though.
 
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Did you get into it via the furry scene or just because you were trying/looking for visual novels?

edit: sort if you answered it already, didn't see anything about your way in

Kind of furry scene, follow some furry artists on twitter, saw mention of it, thought the idea of horror visual novel sounded interesting and looked at some impressions and people saying how great it was. I also tried the teams other popular game but that one definitely is has more smut so it's not really appropriate for here.
 

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Furry stuff I find somewhat offputting tbh, but there are elements here that sound really intriguing so I might check it out. Great write-up.
 

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Hmm, this actually looks interesting and the summary you've given it definitely has me curious (Really enjoyed Beastars and think you can play with a lot of interesting concepts when animals are the main cast as it allows for some easily representable themes, similar as to how even in the past animals were commonly used to tell stories to get certain ideas across).

With the length being 25-30 hours I'm surprised it's free. I Will have to look into this. I should really just get some sort of cheap windows tablet at this point for VNs.
 

ZeroMaverick

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The characters didn't need to be furries. They're clearly telling a human story. Furries made me say nah.
 

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I suggest anyone else trying this out avoids looking at the comments below the download section as spoilers are being posted, some with warning and others without.
 

Capra

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I hate how people discredit an entire wide-range of art styles simply because some ppl decide to draw porn of said art styles. Always struck me as extremely prudish and with a hint of insecurity.

The game looks pretty nice, the art is very well put together from the looks of it. Im not really into visual novels though.

Ngl I feel like there's some homophobia ingrained in the intense, visceral dislike of furry stuff online just due to how unashamedly gay a lot of the fandom is. I can't really separate the social norm of furries as acceptable targets from my experience growing up as a gay guy.

Like, I like the idea that a game has to justify having furry characters and it can't just be like, the author is telling an evidently pretty personal story in a way they're comfortable with.

Game looks cool and I'll definitely give it a look later.
 
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Made me think of Night in the Woods but leaning a lot harder into straight horror, sounds interesting. I'm not huge on VNs, but I may give it a shot.
 
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The characters didn't need to be furries. They're clearly telling a human story. Furries made me say nah.

there is a reason I said it was a hard sell lol. As I said there are definite elements that work with the furry element to enhance the story.




And there are a definite similarities to NiTW as people noticed, i.e dying town, some subject matter related to anxiety/depression. But as said, it's far far darker and intense than NITW.
 

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Ngl I feel like there's some homophobia ingrained in the intense, visceral dislike of furry stuff online just due to how unashamedly gay a lot of the fandom is. I can't really separate the social norm of furries as acceptable targets from my experience growing up as a gay male.

Hatred of furries has always been intrinsically linked with homophobia. It's basically a more socially acceptable way of telling others that you're grossed out by non cis-het folks.
 

Nimby

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Yes, it's a really good read in fact all their projects are and their all free (You can support the team on Patreon).

I'm currently nearing the end of Leo's route and I think I'll follow the outline you suggested. There's one key overlap in most of the arcs but I'm surprised at how varied each characters story is.

Play Adastra too! I don't express much physical emotion when playing games, but the ending to Adastra brought me to tears. In case anyone is interested, subject matter isn't nearly as dark as Echo. It's a political/romance VN with nudity and sex scenes (nothingreally fetishized).

And these games are full blown series, The Smoke Room is a prequel to Echo, and Arches its sequel. Only Adastra and Echo are complete though.
 
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Yes, it's a really good read in fact all their projects are and their all free (You can support the team on Patreon).

I'm currently nearing the end of Leo's route and I think I'll follow the outline you suggested. There's one key overlap in most of the arcs but I'm surprised at how varied each characters story is.

Play Adastra too! I don't express much physical emotion when playing games, but the ending to Adastra brought me to tears. In case anyone is interested, subject matter isn't nearly as dark as Echo. It's a political/romance VN with nudity and sex scenes (nothingreally fetishized).

And these games are full blown series, The Smoke Room is a prequel to Echo, and Arches its sequel. Only Adastra and Echo are complete though.

I tried to avoid mentioning Adastra due to the sex scenes/CGs. It was also good, though a bit wish fulfillment-y though, I did enjoy the political intrigue. The team definitely has great writing talent.

Echo is definitely easier to recommend on a grounds of being really good horror and having no lewd CGs. I get why there other games do, being an indie funded through Patreon, you get people to pay for that as a hook; hell even the original Fate VN series was erotic which is weird to think about considering the size of the series now, but I think they could go completely "clean" and still have a ton of support with how quality Echo is.
 

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Hatred of furries has always been intrinsically linked with homophobia. It's basically a more socially acceptable way of telling others that you're grossed out by non cis-het folks.

Like, you can't even duck into the normal cover of "oh well the art's just bad deviantart-tier shit." The stuff in the OP displays a good sense of lighting and anatomy. It's artistically sound, it's just also something specifically appealing to those fuckers over there and that's license enough to shit on it.
 
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My furry friend recommended me this and i gotta say its a eh visual novel, the plotlines are kind of predictable and theres a lot of misspelling but with decent characters. Would only recommend if you're into furry characters tbh
 
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Saw the screenshot and was all like...

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I said it was a hard sell! Also why I didn't put furry in the title lol.

That art immediately sold me on it lol.

At least I got the furries in.



My furry friend recommended me this and i gotta say its a eh visual novel, the plotlines are kind of predictable and theres a lot of misspelling but with decent characters. Would only recommend if you're into furry characters tbh
I noticed a few typos but nothing too distracting, I also did not see a lot of the big events coming but that could just be me. I def know not everyone would love it but I'm hoping someone else will. I feel like I have good taste and to give more context on what I like, last year's favorite game was 13 Sentinels which people should also buy and play and my personal favorite horror anything is Junji Ito's work, especially Uzumaki.

Also thinking about playing The House in Fata Morgana since that recently came to Switch and I've been on a visual novel binge.
 

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This doesn't appeal to me at all but the name reminded me I should replay the 2017 PS4/PC horror game called Echo.
 

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I've seen my friend post screen shots of this game as he played it months ago, looked like a cheery VN, had no idea it was part horror......now I'm curious.

Edit: No I'm not a furry, but there ain't nothing wrong with being a furry as long as you behave and don't go....uh....far lol.
 

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EchoProject is one of the best VN studios out there. Adastra was beautifully written and I cried like a baby several times, I went in expecting a typical porn game from a friend's recommendation and was shocked to find all manner of political intrigue, star-crossed love, espionage, cosmic horror, existentialism vs. determinism, etc. Man, what an amazing, heart-filling experience.

I will absolutely be checking out Echo when I get the chance. The Smoke Room, too.
 

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eW fUrRiEs i am still stuck in the year 2005 lulz amirite folks /s

Anyways, you've intrigued me OP, but funny enough the offputting part for me is it being a horror game of the length you estimate it to be. I don't know if I can subject myself to that much.
 

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The actual art style looks amazing but I'm really not a fan of anthropomorphic animals in a setting like this that doesn't need it. Great for the people who like it but it just isn't for me
 
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I always find it odd when people complain about furry characters in media. Like yeah it doesn't need to be this way and it could probably work just as well with humans, but I personally think it's really boring to only see humans all the time (or alien/fantasy species that just look like humans with weird colors or different ears).

If you took a game like Beyond Good and Evil and made everyone human that would take away half of the charm and uniqueness it has.
 

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Leo's route is extremely unnerving and I'm really anxious to how it's going play out. So many mysteries left to unravel and I'm not sure if I can trust the ending to TJs route considering how far gone Chase by the end.

I tried to avoid mentioning Adastra due to the sex scenes/CGs. It was also good, though a bit wish fulfillment-y though, I did enjoy the political intrigue. The team definitely has great writing talent.

Echo is definitely easier to recommend on a grounds of being really good horror and having no lewd CGs. I get why there other games do, being an indie funded through Patreon, you get people to pay for that as a hook; hell even the original Fate VN series was erotic which is weird to think about considering the size of the series now, but I think they could go completely "clean" and still have a ton of support with how quality Echo is.

I wouldn't classify it as smut or anything. At least compared to some other VNs I've played, they're pretty tame and infrequent. And the character involved is your lover so.
 

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the art in this is not personally my favorite but i'm laughing a lot at the "this didn't HAVE to be furries it could've just been PEOPLE" posts. yeah and? who cares
 

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If you took a game like Beyond Good and Evil and made everyone human that would take away half of the charm and uniqueness it has.
There's a big difference between an art style like that with anthropomorphic animals and "furry art" like the game this thread's about. I can't fully describe what that difference is but the former doesn't repulse the general population. The latter will likely always have niche appeal and is a big turn off for most.
 

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EchoProject is one of the best VN studios out there. Adastra was beautifully written and I cried like a baby several times, I went in expecting a typical porn game from a friend's recommendation and was shocked to find all manner of political intrigue, star-crossed love, espionage, cosmic horror, existentialism vs. determinism, etc. Man, what an amazing, heart-filling experience.

I will absolutely be checking out Echo when I get the chance. The Smoke Room, too.
Worded way more eloquently than I could ever muster. I can't wait for Interea build 2.

eW fUrRiEs i am still stuck in the year 2005 lulz amirite folks /s

Anyways, you've intrigued me OP, but funny enough the offputting part for me is it being a horror game of the length you estimate it to be. I don't know if I can subject myself to that much.

When thinking of this games structure, I immediately thought of Higurashi. There's a lot of moments where you're just having fun with your friends, going to the mall, an amusement park, reliving childhood memories etc.
 

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I can deal with furry, I can't deal with sexual vns in general.

why is this genre always so creepy and full of sexual stuff? How much sex stuff in this?
 
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Why isn't the platforms it's available on not front and center

My bad, added.

I can deal with furry, I can't deal with sexual vns in general.

why is this genre always so creepy and full of sexual stuff? How much sex stuff in this?

I guess to break it down in almost all the routes there are some mentions of the MC and others being aroused and some may have some lead up but it cuts to black before the actual sex happens in all but one route where they describe the MC giving a blowjob and later there are other sex acts happening in a room but not actively participating in. There are no accompanying visuals for this as I mentioned. Perfectly fine if someone doesn't want to play it due to this, it's obviously not common in games for a reason and it was basically the only reason I was wary about posting about it. I feel like if you are okay with the level of sex in something like Game of Thrones, you will be fine. Though as I said, it's definitely not the main purpose.
 
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BeI

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I always find it odd when people complain about furry characters in media. Like yeah it doesn't need to be this way and it could probably work just as well with humans, but I personally think it's really boring to only see humans all the time (or alien/fantasy species that just look like humans with weird colors or different ears).

If you took a game like Beyond Good and Evil and made everyone human that would take away half of the charm and uniqueness it has.

I find humans in games to be beyond bland, personally.
 

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I too would say the character style is not exactly a turn on... but Free, Recommended, and Android is a good enough combination for me to check it out. I've been on a VN kick on Switch lately, surprised more of the major games don't have mobile versions--or at least mobile versions released in the west.
 

astro

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I really don't get what's off-putting to some people when it comes to anthropomorphic characters. Disney's Robin Hood, Great Mouse Detective... Beyond Good and Evil, Beastars...

There's a lot of cool stuff using the style.

I mean, I guess I do get it. It feels a little mean spirited and maybe even slightly bigoted reaction to furries at times (not saying everyone who doesn't like it is, before anyone responds).

Anyway, VNs aren't for me, but if they were your write up would have sold me on trying this OP. Nice post!
 

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I really don't get what's off-putting to some people when it comes to anthropomorphic characters. Disney's Robin Hood, Great Mouse Detective... Beyond Good and Evil, Beastars...

There's a lot of cool stuff using the style.

I mean, I guess I do get it. It feels a little mean spirited and maybe even slightly bigoted reaction to furries at times (not saying everyone who doesn't like it is, before anyone responds).

Anyway, VNs aren't for me, but if they were your write up would have sold me on trying this OP. Nice post!

I don't think the artstyle is what turns most people off, that's just an excuse. You get these reactions when said media is attached to the furry community itself, and has not broken out into mainstream appeal. "Those weird people who think they're animals and wear uncanny fursuits" is about as bigoted/generalizing as it gets, but I feel that is how many still view the community after all these years. I mean, I did too at one point.
 

astro

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think the artstyle is what turns most people off, that's just an excuse. You get these reactions when said media is attached to the furry community itself, and has not broken out into mainstream appeal. "Those weird people who think they're animals and wear uncanny fursuits" is about as bigoted/generalizing as it gets, but I feel that is how many still view the community after all these years. I mean, I did too at one point.
I have no idea what the majority is feeling, but I honestly don't think the artstyle itself putting people off would be massively rare.

Like, I get it. Some people don't enjoy cartoony/comic book styles. They might find it childish or difficult to realte to... Like I cannot stand Chibi artstyle to the point I have only ever been able to enjoy a handful of games with it, and it usually just makes me nope out rright immediately.

Some people hate anime style for no other reason than the way it looks regardless of any if the common issues like over sexualisation and fan service. Some people find realistic looking games boring and off putting.

So I get people not liking the artstyle. I'll be honest and say it doesn't directly appeal to me and would definitely not be my first choice even if I don't getput off by it.

Saying this... there is absolutely a lot of malicious backlash against it for the reasons we have discussed, that is undeniable. I'm not going to automatically assume it is that when someone says they dislike the style, though (not saying you are, btw, just saying).
 

Nimby

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Oct 27, 2017
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I have no idea what the majority is feeling, but I honestly don't think the artstyle itself putting people off would be massively rare.

Like, I get it. Some people don't enjoy cartoony/comic book styles. They might find it childish or difficult to realte to... Like I cannot stand Chibi artstyle to the point I have only ever been able to enjoy a handful of games with it, and it usually just makes me nope out rright immediately.

Some people hate anime style for no other reason than the way it looks regardless of any if the common issues like over sexualisation and fan service. Some people find realistic looking games boring and off putting.

So I get people not liking the artstyle. I'll be honest and say it doesn't directly appeal to me and would definitely not be my first choice even if I don't getput off by it.

Saying this... there is absolutely a lot of malicious backlash against it for the reasons we have discussed, that is undeniable. I'm not going to automatically assume it is that when someone says they dislike the style, though (not saying you are, btw, just saying).
The post above yours sure is comedic timing. I'm not either, but when you drop in with your two word hot take and a gif, it's hard NOT to assume that. (you isn't actually referring to you)
 

Tolby

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Sep 24, 2019
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I remember trying this a year ago. Managed to get to an ending, but couldn't decide whether I got a good or a bad one due to the nature of the novel.
Didn't like the characters or the setting, and the writing style put me off. Felt pretentious for some reason.

I gave it a chance, but it's not a VN I'd recommend to others.
 

Kitty Paws

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Oct 21, 2019
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As a fan of horror VNs and "small town with a dark secret" type stories this seems right up my alley. I've added it to my backlog although it's gonna be some time before I have time to play it.