I definitely think that the sequel trilogy is held to a higher standard than the OT and the prequels.
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Let’s settle this: Did you like The Last Jedi? (Poll)
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It is. But I think that's fair...cinema as a medium has advanced in almost every category imaginable. But I don't buy people ignoring clear limitations of the previous films while nitpicking the new ones.
I also recognize that nostalgia is a hell of a thing. If you tell me you like the prequels, I'm highly confident I can guess your age bracket. I'll rewatch them again this week on Disney+, but I've never been able to overlook the dialogue, Jar Jar, and inconsistent characterization. Maybe time will have changed my opinion.
Second or third best Star Wars movie, no question. The writing is great, the themes are great, the character development is great, the art design is great, the cinematography is great, the acting is great, the music is great.
At this point the haters just make me laugh. Enjoy your shit taste, miserable nitpicking, and bizarre misinterpretations of effective storytelling while I enjoy the rejuvenation of the great franchise that Lucas nearly ruined with the prequels.
At this point the haters just make me laugh. Enjoy your shit taste, miserable nitpicking, and bizarre misinterpretations of effective storytelling while I enjoy the rejuvenation of the great franchise that Lucas nearly ruined with the prequels.
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This is interesting. Admittedly, I dont like the movie however it does get everything right... except the story.
I voted Yes, but I feel like there should have been more options. Because the truth of the matter is a lot of the movie IS a total mess that is weird and doesn't really work (ie, nearly everything that isn't the main Luke/Rey/Kylo plot). But that main story is in fact quite good.
I thought it was ok, but for the purposes of this poll I voted that I disliked it, as it's one of my least favourite Star Wars movies, behind only the newer Lucas films. I also thought it was a huge downgrade from The Force Awakens.
It very much feels that way. But I think where my personal disconnect comes is that it sacrifices something on the way there and that's why I didn't like it. It felt like a thoughtful thought experiment that posed a bunch of questions but ultimately felt way too nuanced and complex for Star Wars.
yeah it was a joke of a film and the Plot and pacing of the chase scene are legitimately terrible
i liked some bits and disliked others, but overall i would probably give it a thumbs down if i were eberting it. biggest problem for me is that it simply fails as the second installment in a trilogy. there are no interesting setups for the last movie, which is only highlighted by the fact that palpatine comeback if the most intriguing thing about it.
I didn't really disliked it, but it was boring, I watched it in two views. I'd probably give it 6/10, which is still overall positive, I guess.
My hot take doesn't matter any more than any other hot take but I have no idea how people sat through this movie and it's horrid Finn/Rose/DJ subplot, awful pacing, continual jobbing of more of the cast, and mess of a story and see fit to call it some sort of transcendent movie with a straight face. It just reeks of people liking it because it's unlike other Star Wars films. It is, but in all the wrong ways.
The Finn subplot should disqualify it from that high praise alone, but the issues with the story are even clearer.
Rian has a lot of interesting concepts that were all executed poorly. There was critical story work that needed to be done to set many of them up that are absent, and I think that's the movie's fatal flaw. Pretty much all the new force abilities suffer from this. They're great ideas, but leave you scratching your head and nodding along when you see them in the film.
The Finn subplot should disqualify it from that high praise alone, but the issues with the story are even clearer.
Rian has a lot of interesting concepts that were all executed poorly. There was critical story work that needed to be done to set many of them up that are absent, and I think that's the movie's fatal flaw. Pretty much all the new force abilities suffer from this. They're great ideas, but leave you scratching your head and nodding along when you see them in the film.
Don't care for Star Wars much in general but it was better than the four movies that came previous to it.
Neither Yoda nor Kennobi were portrayed as overly cynical when we meet them in the OT, and certainly nowhere near the degree that Luke was. TLJ retconned Luke a bit, but as TLJ decided things : Luke outright cut himself off from the Force and left billions of people to die including his own family, all while knowing that Snoke existed.
The first thing that Obiwan does when he meets Luke and recieves the message from Princess Leia?
'Well we have to go save her, and Luke you have to come with me to learn the ways of the Force!' In fact Obiwan is downright chummy and playful during ANH.
The degree that the 'failure' of the Jedi gets emphasized in some circles has always struck me as a bit edgelordish and a little grossly utilitarian in the service of propping up other arguments. The Jedi existed for 'over a thousand generations' and were nearly wiped out. The intent of the Prequels, where we see the most of them, is not to show them as particularly cut off from reality nor unable to cope w setbacks. They didn't fall on their own sword, so to speak.
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Yes, it was fine. Didn't think it was as much of a masterpiece some people are claiming it to be, but I also didn't think it was as terrible as some people were saying it was.
That said, the casino bits are the absolute pits, but all the Luke stuff is fantastic.
That said, the casino bits are the absolute pits, but all the Luke stuff is fantastic.
This isn't a critic score, this is about the amount of people who liked it on this board, and that's a pretty overwhelming amount of people who liked it, over a couple of weirdos who are trying to grasp at straws because they're so insecure that they need their negative opinion about a film justified by everyone they come across.
We get it, you hate the movie, no one cares.
Thats some very questionable framing when you're dealing w a 60/40 split (this poll also isn't done and TLJ has been dropping. we also had a poll from a year after which showed a 52/48 split).
Keeping in mind that Era leans left (by US standards), that's not really an encouraging data point.
I felt a bit of whiplash when I first watched it in the cinema but came around to very much enjoy it on a repeat view. Will be watching it again before seeing the new one so it will be interesting to see where I fall on it then.
Canto bright still mostly sucks though. I get it, but it felt unnecessary in the grand scheme of things
Canto bright still mostly sucks though. I get it, but it felt unnecessary in the grand scheme of things
I don't honestly care what you find questionable. We all know how passionately you love to hate this movie. ;)
Yes, people who don't like the film are the insecure ones. Meanwhile, you, someone who likes it:
"a couple of weirdos" - 1,036 people and counting, along with an insult
"no one cares" - clearly you do based on your inflammatory post towards people who don't like a Star Wars film.
Remember people usually speak up more when they have a negative opinion on something. Plus they did Finn wrong
My personal favorite Star Wars movie. The toxic masculinity side plot w/ Poe and Finn is fucking great and I enjoyed just as much, if not more than, the Kylo/Rey plot.
I didn't enjoy it. I left the cinema feeling drained, if anything. The film is way too bloated, self-indulgent, poorly paced and awkwardly written. There are great individual performances and moments, but several characters were seriously done dirty. Film sure is pretty tho.
That's about the extent I am willing to discuss the topic.
That's about the extent I am willing to discuss the topic.
I haven't even given my opinion on the film. You're reinforcing my point. Thanks.
TLJ threads are really something else. So people here like it better because they're not as prone to sexism or racism, is that what you're implying?
Okay.
Your point is that in a thread asking 'Did you like The Last Jedi?' positive responses are fine, but negative ones are from insecure weirdos that need their opinion reinforced and no one cares?
Really interesting and unbiased stance you have there.
I know you got really angry there, but maybe you should read the things I said in the context I said them instead of building yourself some weird ass response like this.
It's not people who like TLJ who drop into each and every single Star Wars Thread (sometimes it doesn't even have to be a Star Wars thread) to complain and moan about TLJ with the same stupid arguments (that have been taken apart ad-nauseum already) all the damn time. When the people who like TLJ do that, you're free to call them weirdos and inseucure too.
And yes, I don't care wether you hate a film or not - unless you try and shove your opinion down everyone's throat every second you can. Then it's just extremely annoying.
Also best don't ever an MCU thread, because the labels thrown at people who like the MCU are far and above more "insulting" than "weirdo".
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No. Both Old Ben and Yoda refused to train Luke initially because of their past failed apprentices. Yoda lives alone on a swamp planet that he departed to at the height of the Clone Wars as Palpatine was rising to power. That's a significantly more precarious time than when Luke went into seclusion.
The prequels show the Jedi council to be slow, ineffective, and incapable of facing threats head on. They favor order over doing the right thing multiple times through. Anakin isn't completely wrong when he questions their methods. Remember, this is the council that assigned an unstable, horny Anakin to guard Padme...all while telling him they can't be together. They could have appointed literally anyone else and things don't play straight into the Emperor's hands. This is the council that hid Luke Skywalker from his father with a family member that shares the same freaking name. The Jedi, particularly in the prequels, help expedite their own downfall.
As far as your "edgelord" comment, I'm going to ignore it.
"I know you got really angry there"
I'm really not sure why people do this? is there any part of my post that indicated that I was even mildly frustrated compared to yours in this thread? you're the one throwing around insults and labeling people, not me.
I'm still not sure what your overall point is, aside from being quite hostile/aggressive towards people who don't like a film and share it on a discussion forum? If they're out of line, they get banned. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the people that like TLJ can survive atrocities such as negative opinions just fine.
I dunno, maybe it was your entire spiel of taking everything I said at the most dishonest and fatalistic level in order to have something to complain about that gave me the idea of an overly emotional response on your part.
I still haven't insulted anyone, as badly as you'd wish I did. You tried really hard to take those two words so far out of context to construe some sort of insulting narrative that it's hard to believe that you're not angry. <shrug>
Lay off the hyperbole if you want an actual discussion.
