Yes, that's the part that was a stretch for me. Is this something I took points off for? No.Thanos transported his mothership to the future and it is HUGE. It's large enough to carry a large enough army we see in the final battle.
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Let’s discuss how horribly inconsistent End Games plot is? (Spoilers)
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Oh you're right I remember him using it during that sequence, but it was against Thor.
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But that's nonsensical and never really said or even implied until it's suits End Game in the movies.
Throughout the entire movie people were transporting themselves to different locations when they time traveled. Why is this holding you up when it's consistent with the rest of the movie?
Yeah I was caught off guard too, never expected any fan service in a movie that is the culmination of over a decade of film making with multiple character arcs that use comic books as their source material.
There are some actual legit complaints to be had about Endgame (namely how Black Widow's death is handled, Thor's character arc and so on) but your list is nitpicky nonsense. I mean come on, you're complaining about nanomachines being ridiculous in a movie that features time travel and Pym particles.
Not gonna comment on the many points well answered by everyone else, I do wanna say something about thanos beating the hulk.
Thanos doesnt use the power stone in the beginning of infinity war to beat hulk. So how does he win so easily? Honestly I thanos is pretty well equipped to ahndle hulk. Thanos is at least able to go toe to toe with thor, who is already established as someone who can handle hulk, and beyond that, hulk is a pure rage fighter, not alot of strategy or fundamentals here, which I think its easy to assume thanos most certainly would be. It's not so much that he beats hulk, he just see hulk for what he is and dismantles him.
Thanos doesnt use the power stone in the beginning of infinity war to beat hulk. So how does he win so easily? Honestly I thanos is pretty well equipped to ahndle hulk. Thanos is at least able to go toe to toe with thor, who is already established as someone who can handle hulk, and beyond that, hulk is a pure rage fighter, not alot of strategy or fundamentals here, which I think its easy to assume thanos most certainly would be. It's not so much that he beats hulk, he just see hulk for what he is and dismantles him.
In the case of the soul stone, you have to earn it. It makes sense that whoever earns it can hold it. Otherwise that would kind of suck. You get the stone and then it kills you.
The hammer says he who is worthy shall have the power of Thor. This was said way back in Thor 1. Cap is worthy so he got the power
It's hard to debate you when you clearly don't have all the information and are saying things the movies have already explained
You have to shrink to visit the quantom zone to time travel
We've seen in Antman and the wasp that when a vehicle shrink, and it's enclosed, the occupent is shrink too.
It's a spaceship, so it shrink and travel through the quantom zone to visit the future.
He has no reason to lie. If he, for example, told Thor to aim for the head, maybe Thor would've taken an extra fraction of a second to focus that still resulted in the snap and them losing.
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Carol was knocked out and Thanos was less than a second away from snapping his fingers multiple times in the end there.
Every second they delayed was giving Thanos time to do what he'd set out to do.
I'm not saying he's lying. He can be telling what he believes to be true and still be wrong, at least by the established rules and circumstances that the movies have made clear.
Yeah at that point, obviously. But Strange could have warned them both about that. And without explaining why, the movie just leaves us guessing. There are more obvious ways they could have gotten away with it than obvious ways they would have failed, so it feels cheap.
What happens in Ragnarok isn't contradictory to what others are saying.
Here's the course of events:
In the first Thor movie, Odin casts an enchantment on Thor's hammer, saying "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of THOR!"
So the hammer has an enchantment on it - placed by Odin himself in the first movie - that results in anyone worthy possessing the power of Thor.
So yes, the hammer is not the source of Thor's power. It helps Thor focus his power. In addition, it also grants anyone worthy the power of Thor (as it does for Cap in Endgame, because he is worthy). Does that help?
I don't think the rules of the hammer contradicts itself with the power of lightning. Thor has Thor powers. The hammer has Thor's power, and the person that holds it also has something similar to Thor's power. Even in the very beginning of Ragnarok, Mjolnir does show it contains the power Thor within it. When Hela breaks the hammer, it literally creates a giant lightning blast.
You don't seem to understand.
The hammer still gives other wielders the power of Thor. It's just not the source of Thor's own powers.
It's a simple concept.
You gonna present an example for us to discuss (cause every single one of OP's are bull) or you just here to bullshit?
1) The only real explanation given for the stones is that something has to be strong enough to wield it. Thanos isn't a celestial but is "strong enough to wield it". Hulk is neither a celestial or a titan but is just strong enough to wield the stones. Tony Stark who has created technology to fight off against Hulk and Thanos (just barely) in the past so durability wise, it stands to reason that his armor could withstand the power of the stones long enough to use the stones. And still that's not enough because he dies. I don't know how much more cut and dry it can get here. Your main issue here is that Tony's armor is too strong but that has been the case since..... Avengers 1 when he tanked Mjolnir from Thor. If this was an actual iron suit, then Tony would have turned into a red mess since Mjolnir is insanely powerful and heavy.
2) He knocked him out with one punch in this movie too! At the end when Cap is around his neck and Thor is trying to hold off Thanos with both hammers, Thanos grabs Cap, punches him and Cap is out for a good while. At the beginning of the fight, most of the time Cap was blocking Thanos with his shield and the shield broke as well.
4) You don't think Thanos and co have enough energy to pull this off? And the place where they are at doesn't really matter when it comes to using the Pym particles, they can be anywhere. They already established earlier in the movie that you can shrink the Benitar ship. This honestly sounds like something that would never have been an issue if Russos pulled a Nolan and spent 5 minutes on exposition on how Thanos formulates his plan to invade a previous timeline...
5) Most of the Guardians are DEAD in Endgame! And the Guardians are there because they have personal stakes in the matter especially against Thanos. The Guardians are not associated with any planet or any galaxy, their beef is with Thanos. And because its characters we have actually followed in the past, the audience is able to connect with them. Nebula and Gamora are Thanos' daughters, of course they were going to be in the movies involving Thanos. Starlord loves Gamora so he is going to follow her, Drax has a bone to pick with Thanos and Rocket just wanted to follow Thor to find some cool weapons but now in Endgame its personal for him as Thanos took away his family.
Most of the MCU uses its own logic that is very different from the comics and rightfully so. You can't expect stuff to work the same as in comics. Some stuff does but not most of it.
Thanos took on Cap, Tony, and Thor and won. Even after Cap picked up the hammer. If it wasn't for the rest of the Avengers showing up it would've been over right there.
You could argue that was a stronger showing than anything he did in IW, and he did all that with no stones
I don't see how he was done wrong. They also will always have to live with half of the universe being snapped for 5 years. That'll never go away
I've kind of wondered if Cap actually COULD have lifted Mjolnir in AoU, but stopped short because he thought it would embarrass Thor. It would change Thor's "I KNEW IT!" from an I knew you had it in you context to an I knew you were faking it all those years ago one.
what do you think the various gauntlets are for?
He doesn't walk through Scarlet Witch. Even with four infinity stones she still holds him off with one hand long enough to destroy the Mind Stone.
that's how mjolnir works
Not substantially different from Hank Pym carrying around an entire building like a briefcase in Ant-Man 2. And it's entirely plausible that Thanos and crew could have replicated the pym particles with their tech.
everyone else cares, but the focus of the movie is on the charaters we already know
captain marvel is out there in space putting out fires for most of the movie
gotta say, these are some real CinemaSins tier garbage nitpicks
How so?
He kicked everyone's ass in Endgame again. Thor, Cap and Tony get some hits on him here and there but no one slows him down at all. For the much hyped rematch they don't do any better than IW.
He destroys Cap's shield which I thought was unbreakable.
Scarlet Witch is powerful and cuts loose on him and he's forced to bombard his own troops to stop her. That fits.
Carol matches up to him and he's forced to use the Power Stone.
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