We've yet to see anything run real time on this console that is next gen right? Is that coming this week?
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LeStream : "Xbox Series X is hot"
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Yeah. It's so different that that the rational conclusion is the exact opposite of what everyone with first-hand experience are saying.
I guess you could say that it's an anti-cat measurement.
It's a problem when you don't have a decent airflow, like most people.
Look up recent SSD reviews with/without heatsinks, in many of them there's no deference in thermal performance between heatsinks or no heatsinks
XSX thermal design is a copy of Mac Pro 2013 "trashcan Mac", which didn't handle heat properly and caused many issues that lead Apple to redesign it to the current form factor "cheese-grater Mac!"
It's going to be interesting to see how XSX is going to handle all the heat when all the demanding titles hit
I don't think we've ever had a console/peripheral that burns to the touch..
In my experience? It's not abnormal at all. In fact, it's not uncommon for motherboards with NVMe slots to come with heat sinks to mount on top of the m.2 drives. It's not always necessary, but then again, I'm not working with one tuned for ultra-fast loading and high-capacity storage.
Thanks for the info, now I'd be really worried if I had the console pre-ordered. Gladly I went with the Series S.
I don't think anyone here is saying that, it's just that both scenarios (PS5 and XSX tests so far) are a measuring stick for how these consoles perform in an average household.
PS5 was placed on a table, ran a glorified demo disc, people weren't allowed to move it, touch or do anything else.
-> not gonna happen at my house
XSX was shipped to content creators that had to quickly test every possible feature (test/download a ton of games, SSD copy speeds etc.) to get content out
-> not gonna happen at my house
so if the ps5 is cold, and the xsx is hot
will this gen be... "a song of ice and fire"
also... what family would nintendo be?
will this gen be... "a song of ice and fire"
also... what family would nintendo be?
This is probably nothing. I do wonder about next gen games running on the console, but mostly because I don't know what approach they are taking. It's just super odd. We know they will run great, but it's weird.
Not in my oven-less house, that's for sure.
I also don't have kids, so it's even safer.
Gaming GPUs are well within specified temperature at 90 °C (even though it's normally under 85 at most times), CPUs can run around 80 (less if properly cooled, which is easier by using an aftermarket cooler).
Thanks for the reply! This makes sense. I'm curious, do you think Sony's "boost" approach might make a difference in heat generation? Again, total layman here, but didn't Cerny mention that the PS5 would draw a consistent amount of power and regulate via clocks instead?Exhausting a lot of heat is fine as that means you're actually efficiently getting it out of the system. I think I remember the original PS3 had much hotter air coming out of it than the 360 and it was made fun of as a coffee warmer in late 2006. Then of course RROD happened....
I think/hope not. I feel like that really scared the shit out of MS engineers and so their future consoles went way overkill with the cooling.
Pretty much all the power that a computer uses gets converted to heat. The XSX has a 2.5 amp plug so at 110V, that's a max of 275 watts max power draw. Assuming the PSU is kept around the 80% usage mark (usually when efficiency is max) then the console itself will be using/outputting a MAXIMUM of 220 watts of energy.
From rear port photos I can find, it looks like both the PS5 ans XSX use the C7 connector so these numbers as far as max heat output are the same for both consoles:
IEC 60320 - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
It's important to note that I'm talking about the maximum amount of power that can be pulled from that C7 connector, the console can be in 0.5 watt standby mode or go full bore space heater mode. These two consoles are pretty much identical in terms of how much energy their CPU, SSD, and motherboards use but it's only the GPU that is really different. The unknowns at this point are whether a bigger chip or higher clock is the more thermally efficient solution and of course they have totally different designs as far as how they transport the heat out of the case. I think we'll all need to wait 4-6 weeks for someone to rip these consoles apart and put temperature probes everywhere to see if heat is efficiently being exhausted.
not to act like the detective here, but
first he pulls it out of the console,
then he holds it for about 5 seconds,
then he makes that comment,
and he immediately picks it up again and holds it in his palm...
You can see that he is holding it from the heat sink(!) after mere seconds, and even by doing that his body language doesn't seem to correlate to his words...
I believe specialized media should know and act better than this....
The whole XSX in standby was "toasty".
The expansion card itself was "super hot".
I think the XSX giving off heat in standby is main the concern. So I wonder what is going on under the hood in standby that is causing it to exhaust heat to that degree.
Aside from the Mac Pro 2013 and Xbox Series X both being 'stand up' vertical devices, they're not very similar at all internally - let alone a copy. The Mac Pro's triangular design is quite significantly different than what the Xbox is doing.
Xbox Series X:
Mac Pro 2013:
well I didn't stop there
its an inherent idiom of mine that my eyes have good bandwidth to my brain.
Where is the SSD in the unit? The heat could be from the SoC (I would assume it is) and then exhausted straight up and out, not really ever going near the SSD.
What's the point of hot swappable storage expansions to quickly switch between games during a single play session if you either need gloves or wait a few minutes before pulling it to let it cool down?
I guess most people won't have more than one of these anyways so it probably won't be a problem anyways.
I guess most people won't have more than one of these anyways so it probably won't be a problem anyways.
So long as it never has to turn off/throttle/melt itself 360 style, nothing really to be concerned about.
It's not like he's just touched a burning hot piece of metal. Plastic conducts heat poorly so it takes longer for it to be painful. He's also moving it constantly initially, which reduces how much heat gets transferred to his hand.
It's not like he's just touched a burning hot piece of metal. Plastic conducts heat poorly so it takes longer for it to be painful. He's also moving it constantly initially, which reduces how much heat gets transferred to his hand.
Feller I'm replying to is literally saying that. I'm not saying that either scenario is giving us any foolproof information for the long haul, but both scenarios still give us some ample ideas how the consoles will run.
PS5 was still used in a 30 celsius environment and even if it ran a glorified demo, those still were the same games we're going to play on it. It's not like this doesn't tell us anything at all.
That's still not an excuse to go accusatory on the dude.
Edit: Edited to be less inflammatory.
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There were some posts on GitHub 2 or 3 weeks ago discussing the series X "overheating", didn't think much of it at the time and along with this I assume they mean the heat the thing is kicking out? Which is not a problem in the grand scheme of things.
As long as the fan is putting the heat outside the console and you place it somewhere with plenty of open air around it, it'll be fine and even if it does start to get too toasty internally Microsoft can roll an update out that turns the fan speed up slightly.
As for the expansion card....the guy who touched the metal part must be the same person why Dodge had to put warning stickers on the exhaust of a Viper ~10 years ago to not touch them after driving. Of course that part will be hot!
As long as the fan is putting the heat outside the console and you place it somewhere with plenty of open air around it, it'll be fine and even if it does start to get too toasty internally Microsoft can roll an update out that turns the fan speed up slightly.
As for the expansion card....the guy who touched the metal part must be the same person why Dodge had to put warning stickers on the exhaust of a Viper ~10 years ago to not touch them after driving. Of course that part will be hot!
You probably do it by using the plastic handle rather than pulling it out and grabbing the hot metal.
after making the comment, he immediately picks it up again and holds it in his palm.
not something you would do with something "on fire super hot"
Accusing someone of faking his reaction. and throwing it back to him as 'unproffesional'
I'd like to see more on this, not just the one outlet.
If I got this machine, it would sit on a shelf (i.e. significant clear air on three sides) but with only ~3/4cm clearance above it. Want to know it isn't going to brute itself to death.
If I got this machine, it would sit on a shelf (i.e. significant clear air on three sides) but with only ~3/4cm clearance above it. Want to know it isn't going to brute itself to death.
Come on. Jeff Bakalar is not making up that it was hot. This is not some kind of anti-Xbox conspiracy in the middle of his generally positive comments about the console. He was surprised by the heat of some part of it, put it down, and then picked it up again more carefully.
I dont wanna judge who is "behaving like an ass" here, so better move along
I'm amazed that people really think Jeff Bakalar, out of all people, would just make up this.
Really, it's not that hard to understand, it did not burn the palm of his hand and lost his skin with the fire of a thousand hells, he just touched it and was hotter than he expected. Same with the console.
Really, it's not that hard to understand, it did not burn the palm of his hand and lost his skin with the fire of a thousand hells, he just touched it and was hotter than he expected. Same with the console.
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