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So Shaun said that the two nukes dropped on Japan were unnecessary and criminal and for some reason he's getting piled on for it.
He's getting piled on because his doubling down on making a factual assertion that Japan would have unconditionally surrendered is, to be very charitable, heavily disputed. And no, it's not just pro-American historians that make this point.
99% of the time, I'm on Shaun's side in terms of feeling like we very much need more of a critical eye on America's imperialist role in world history, but this is not even close to the most unassailable hill to die on. There are so many other, clearly horrible things to point to in America's foreign policy, or even more nuanced ways to question the necessity of bombing Nagasaki/Hiroshima without saying "oh they were already going to surrender", and therefore implying "oh they just dropped those bombs because they felt like it".
99% of the time, I'm on Shaun's side in terms of feeling like we very much need more of a critical eye on America's imperialist role in world history, but this is not even close to the most unassailable hill to die on. There are so many other, clearly horrible things to point to in America's foreign policy, or even more nuanced ways to question the necessity of bombing Nagasaki/Hiroshima without saying "oh they were already going to surrender", and therefore implying "oh they just dropped those bombs because they felt like it".
I wasn't sure where else to post this.
Tucker Carlson is Antifa now.
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Tucker Carlson is Antifa now.
Tucker Carlson is Antifa now
From the multiverse...Antifa super-soldier Tucker Carlson destroys police narratives and implores Black Lives Matter to save America.@greg_doucette and @jaso...
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Amazing editing job here.
New video from Three Arrows - Was Every German Soldier Bad?
And much like ACAB, there is some nuance but the answer is still yes.
And much like ACAB, there is some nuance but the answer is still yes.
I really wouldn't call 2006 Dems "liberals" and the 6407 bill is part of the reason we are in this mess, but the blatant "both sides" is actually gross and actively erasing the real damage being done by the Trump admin. The Twitter user who even posted that it is also very clearly not posting in good faith, so I hope at least you are.
Weaponizing the USPS to rig an election is something exclusive to Trump and the republicans, yes. But the privatization and dismantling of the USPS is a responsability of both parties. Democrats have been kind to privatization since the Carter days and damaging the USPS is also something they supported.
But since this is a derail, if you want to talk more about the legacy of privatization and how the dems have been on that train since the 1980s, you can come over to the Socialist OT and we"ll have a conversation about how the neoliberal shift of the 80s changed democrats for the worse. Hope to see you there!
Liberals are posting Vaush now?
Over eagerness to use one 'leftist' as a cudgel against other leftists makes for awkward bedfellows
Over eagerness to use one 'leftist' as a cudgel against other leftists makes for awkward bedfellows
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So Era really allowing this pedo to be freely posted on this site? We shouldn't be giving platforms to people like this.
Ah yes coming from the guy who just "both sides" the USPS today, you're definitely posting in good faith. Also using "liberals" as insult, LOL
Vaush probably isn't someone you should be clamoring for support lmao, get that shit outta here.
Madison asked for you to continue the conversation in Soc OT if you'd like.
You can both refuse to defend someone but also believe they have a point on certain topics, for example when it comes to voting.
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Ah yes, like people who are friends with Shoeonhead. Cool dude. Take this to Soc OT, you were invited.
Boy I sure do love engaging with a topic in good faith and not immediately trying to change the topic, while immediately accusing others of not being true progressives (:
No thanks, I don't feel like getting dogpiled by a bunch of people who are going to accuse me of not being a "true progressive" and then report me for "defending problematic creators" when I only care about the topic of voting in this election.
How about make an argument with another source that doesn't support child rape?
You're the one who came into this thread defending a pedophile.
What does this have to do with Vaush?
This is what you originally said. It's incredibly fucked up and hand waves child rape.
I sure do love the right-wing tactics being adopted by the left to silence people they disagree with, and trying to accuse me of defending Vaush when I simply said he had a point in one specific video about voting.
No, I am not going to defend him, can we actually get on topic?
No, I am not going to defend him, can we actually get on topic?
I am criticizing you for hand waving pedophilia. Call it whatever you want, but that's exactly what you did. I'm glad you provided another source, but what you originally said is sickening. Accuse me of using "tactics" or look at my post history and see my takes on this issue. This is low effort shit.
Think about what you're doing for a moment. You're defending signal boosting someone who is cool with child rape, because they happened to make a point you agree with.
Please explain to me at how I'm handwaving anything? What an incredibly bad faith attempt to bait me into a ban.
Not everybody knows the full history of every Youtuber. The video's been removed. Time to move on.
You started the derail by attacking another poster and then hand waved pedophilia, you're the one derailing here. You have to defend your own words.
A video was posted from a pedo defender in this thread, and then you said this as a response:
This is a defense of signal boosting said content creator. No one is baiting you.
We'll look into it. Honestly the first time I've seen the man's name.
Oh man I sure am glad that after several posters showed up to borderline accuse me of defending Pedophilia, that they came back to have an honest and good faith discussion on the original topic of voting this November, and didn't immediately bail from the thread (:
this topic isn't about voting, it's about posting leftist videos
and you haven't posted about voting a single time on this page other than to say "can we please get back to the discussion around voting?" while whining about right wing tactics and """good faith discussions"""
First, this thread is for discussing leftism, so I'm not sure what voting this November has to do with anything in here
Second the video and entire channel you linked got deleted
Third, I often lurk this thread but I am not obligated to engage with random arguments people throw out, I was just appalled when you defended posting content created by someone who defends child rape, simply because you agree with one or more of their points. It's basic decency to, you know, just not do that
Yes a video was posted from a problematic creator, but there can still be discussion had on the topic and points made, without defending them or their content.
A video was posted to discuss it, I made no effort to defend them and was more than willing to change shift the focus to similar points made by Chomsky since the original video linked was to said creator.
You only showed up to borderline accuse me of defending pedophilia and not with what I assume TheHunter originally wanted to discuss, which was the points and topic of the video.
What the fuck is there to discuss. People disagree about the political relevance or ideological and institutional justifications for voting, and only some people are particularly upset about it, because those people had the stroke of strategic political genius to vapidly and naggingly go after a relatively small % of independents and/or disenfranchised or dissatisfied who presumably have thoroughly entrenched views and can't be convinced by their halfassed and condescending arguments, instead of doing the actually smart thing and maybe considering that if you feel threatened by those numbers maybe they don't exist because of some chaotic insanity contagion but instead maybe some of them have legit points and continued suppression to constantly center discussion on a topic that leaves virtually nothing to discuss (voting) just makes politics look more vapid and irrelevant. But maybe if anyone thought you had anything more to say than posting a video by known edgy idiot like an intellectual juvenile as if it were some kind of checkmate then maybe you'd have more people engaging with you idk. If you think you have something to say, which I honestly doubt, then why not try making a thread or something. At least then you'd be forced to actually have to say whatever it is you mean to be saying and we wouldn't have to tolerate this as if it really has a place in this thread.
You got a video to post and discuss or not? If not quit trying to instigate shit.
This is what you posted in response to Quzar calling out posting content from a child rape defender:
Since you seem to be forgetting about the context of the conversation. You defended posting the video, simply because the creator in question made a point that might be agreeable. Hunter already apologized for posting the video since he didn't know about the guy. Why is it so hard to agree with having basic decency and just condemning content from the original content creator and move on? It's never OK to platform someone who is complete shit just because you might agree with them on certain things.
Like I said, I lurk this thread and posted about that because it's reprehensible to defend platforming a child rape apologist.
Voting in November is not a leftist discussion, so I have no idea why you brought it up again. And again, your link is dead anyway.
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