Just wait till the defenders pop in here agreeing with it. But without actually saying it.
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Leaving Neverland, HBO documentary on Michael Jackson's alleged child sexual assaults, review thread: Currently 98% on Rotten Tomatoes (READ OP)
- Thread starter Brian McDoogle
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Imagine being an MJ and Streisand fan right now. We should be thinking of their loss and grief.
You're right. That was very selfish and insensitive of me. I apologise.
I do not want to delve into it, but as someone who experienced sexual abuse as a child and had a good friend that went through an especially traumatic and extensive amount of sexual abuse, this recent saga has been especially eye opening for me. I would not say that I am a huge fan of Michael's, but I do think he was a fascinating person and brilliant beyond just singing and dancing. I take a lot of inspiration in his work and I think as my life continues that will not change. A lot of his best work were complete team efforts though, so I think I can enjoy a lot of it without hating myself. Probably.
The more I think about a lot of this, the more I have trouble picturing scenarios where he was actually just a sweet weirdo. It is really crushing because I feel like a lot of my identity was kind of formed by people like him and Bill Cosby (lucky me). It makes me feel like an aloof idiot considering both of these cases were pretty much just open secrets that not many people wanted to actually get into over the years.
Robson to me seems kind of hard to believe at times. Not saying I think he lied or whatever, but he just seems like a fairly untrustworthy person. Safechuck however... Everything he says sends me back in time and really haunts my soul. It is all so vivid and genuine to me. I legitimately need to take breaks from hearing him because I feel like I am about to fall apart. I really hope he can find peace in life somehow because even if we were to act like this was all made up, he and his family are just such a disaster in every way.
The more I think about a lot of this, the more I have trouble picturing scenarios where he was actually just a sweet weirdo. It is really crushing because I feel like a lot of my identity was kind of formed by people like him and Bill Cosby (lucky me). It makes me feel like an aloof idiot considering both of these cases were pretty much just open secrets that not many people wanted to actually get into over the years.
Robson to me seems kind of hard to believe at times. Not saying I think he lied or whatever, but he just seems like a fairly untrustworthy person. Safechuck however... Everything he says sends me back in time and really haunts my soul. It is all so vivid and genuine to me. I legitimately need to take breaks from hearing him because I feel like I am about to fall apart. I really hope he can find peace in life somehow because even if we were to act like this was all made up, he and his family are just such a disaster in every way.
If you don't mind me asking. What about Wade made him seem untrustworthy.
Give it time. They will.
Finally watched it on HBO.
Before watching it, I thought that the two men in the documentary were the two prior accusers from the trials.
I can't believe anyone can defend MIchael Jackson after this. What a monster.
Before watching it, I thought that the two men in the documentary were the two prior accusers from the trials.
I can't believe anyone can defend MIchael Jackson after this. What a monster.
I could understand someone who have those thoughts seeking out a psychologist to help them, but defending them molesting kids with that argument is wrong. Jackson could of gotten help for his urges, but he decided to use his fame and money to groom little boys and molest them. He deserves to rot for what he did.
Of course. Getting help and ruining lives are two very different things
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Which is odd when you have MJ admitting to sleeping in bed with children and the mountain of evidence of his grooming and abuse. More "hard proof" talk about child rape. Just didn't want the JL song thread up without at least a bump to the victims.
This is covered in the first page. If you actually care then read the posts in the thread, read the replies to your own posts and watch the documentary. It's hard to take this as anything other than a troll.
Is it covered in the doc though? I saw it on the sun.uk and didn't see anything of debbie in the doc
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41m ago you said you hadn't seen the doc.
33m ago you were asking random questions still.
You evidently haven't seen the documentary. You obviously don't care to educate yourself. Can you please fuck off?
Hey, chill. I am doing outside research first to prepare for myself for seeing the doc as it touches sexual assault, which is a topic that makes me queasy and is not for the faint of heart as this is a subject matter that is hard for me to watch and I need to prepare. Not to mention I'm on a work break now. So no need to for you to be a dick
You literally just claimed to having seen the documentary, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to be taking your constant questions seriously.
I never said that and I haven't seen it all. By not seeing anything on debbie on the doc, I meant that i haven't seen news which mention she is in the doc or information which shows she is in it.
I'd recommend just watching the documentary and reading the initial posts in this thread, which covers a lot. As you say it's a sensitive subject. It's a thread that has been trolled and poked at by drive-bys since it first went up, and even in its second life.
The nature of ignoring everything already here, not watching the documentary and asking questions about the validity of the victims isn't the best place to start following that, I hope you appreciate.
This thread (and the last one) are on an unending loop lol.
"I havent seen the documentary but didnt one of those two swear in court that MJ didnt do it."
"I havent seen the documentary but didnt one of those two swear in court that MJ didnt do it."
I was wondering why this thread got bumped out of nowhere. (i didn't know it was the pedo's deathday) And then to see it's the same ol same. Ahh, good times.
They're just asking questions.
Please don't see this as a defense of MJ, but I wouldn't let my children sleep in Tom Hanks' bed, either, nor Keanu's.
Barbara Streisand's comment is so disgusting. It's incomprehensible to me how someone could say that.
People celebrating a pedo abusing children cuz good tunes. Never fucking change
Yeah, what I said was a poorly phrased/poor comment, I'm now leaning more towards guilt
So I'm gonna stop listening to MJ'S music and I have an issue. My little sister is 12 and has been enjoying MJ'S songs for a few years ad it was even how we bonded when she was little. I'm not comfortable having his music play anymore and I'd rather she not listen to it either. I was wondering, do you think she's old enough for me to tell her about the accusations or can I explain it in "He hurt kids" manner?
I have believed him to be a pedo for a long time (since before he died). I won't listen to his music, but if I were in your position I don't think I'd try to get my sister to stop. When she's older (14-15 or so) then have the conversation and let her make her own choice about it. For now it shouldn't really matter if she listens or not given that she doesn't know about him. He's dead and the damage he inflicted has been done.
I'd simply explain it as "he used his fame and money to hide that hurt children that looked up to him" and then leave it at that. I don't think you have to go into more detail with a twelve year old.
The issue is, my little sister get curious and she'll ask for more specifics and she'll get mad if I refuse to tell her and I worry she might look it up herself
Then perhaps you should speak with a parent about this first. It probably should be a parent's call on how and when their child should get educated on complex issues like sexual assault and abuse.
Read this recent Sheryl Crow interview which highlighted a couple of points:
I wonder how many artists are having similar feelings of revulsion at working with him.
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Aren't those the same arguments that existed before anything in this documentary aired, though?
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