This is what we're doing now? Implying that other posters are sick?
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Leaving Neverland, HBO documentary on Michael Jackson's alleged child sexual assaults, review thread: Currently 94% on Rotten Tomatoes
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This is what we're doing now? Implying that other posters are sick?
As a fan I don't want any of this to be true.
Whatever the truth is, the fact that this all 100 percent possible, is so sad and disturbing.
MJ having a traumatic childhood is no absolution for these things to have supposedly happened.
It's painful to think as a fan, but imagine those who went through it.
Whatever the truth is, the fact that this all 100 percent possible, is so sad and disturbing.
MJ having a traumatic childhood is no absolution for these things to have supposedly happened.
It's painful to think as a fan, but imagine those who went through it.
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He's arguing in bad faith about child molestation, saying he things he knows aren't true, to defend the honor of a dead pop star.
That's really fucked up.
Michael's nephew Taj and Marlon were on Breakfast Club today talking about this documentary. Taj mentioned the FBI investigation that people here have brought up. Also he mentioned MJ owning half of Sony's publishing which I had no idea about.
4:40 is where you can start of you wanna hear the FBI part
4:40 is where you can start of you wanna hear the FBI part
I'm not arguing for anything I don't believe. You genuinely seem to have nothing constructive to add to this discussion and all you're doing is acting in bad faith making stuff up to personally attack me.
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User Banned (1 Month): Inflammatory Commentary in a Thread Concerning Allegations of Child Sexual Abuse; History of Severe Infractions
How are people ignoring this shit? This whole thing is a fuckin' cash grab. MJ has been thru it all and under a microscope, he's innocent. Hell, he's the fuckin' victim. Jesus.
Do you honestly believe this
"This was a letter MJ sent to a relative when he was worried about his nephew being molested. He clearly did not think child molestation was ok. "
Is proof of anything.
Have you ever looked into any rapist in the entire world.
Do you think Jackson not raping one child is proof in favor of him having never raped other children.
Do you really think these things or are you arguing in bad faith to defend a dead pop star.
I mean people over play the fan thing. I'm a pretty big fan but it doesn't take a fan to recognize what seems to be numerous holes and inconsistencies in these stories and have pause.
lmfao. So every single person reviewing this doc is clearly wrong???
What the fuck am I reading in here
I know you really THOUGHT you did something with this post but you really didn't. Michael Jackson is a man who has admitted to sleeping with kids. That is what my post referenced and that is what he said he did out of his own mouth. All this whataboutism about who would have or have not cared if this was a woman is not relevant because he is a MAN and as such, the content and context of my post referenced that. Maybe you or someone you know would have cared less if it wasn't a man but that has absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted.
Impressive job sidestepping the whole post and trying to turn this into some tangent about gender when that doesn't change that this man has willingly admitted to sharing his bed with children.
Let's discuss THAT rather than some random topic you're attempting to bring up to curb discussion on this man admitting from his own mouth that he slept in the same bed in children and how fucking creepy that is and gives the accusers a lot more credibility than people are willing to admit.
MJ is not innocent. He set himself up for this with his lifestyle. And said lifestyle was completely improper. I don't know what it would have taken for him to make wiser choices, but what was done was done.
And, he ain't Jesus.
An actual trial > Documentary
C'mon now. Dude's been thru the ringer and back multiple times. Nothing turned up. Art books with nude kids. That was it.
Edit* I'd say wait for another trial but... yeah.
Even people with good critical thinking skills can be convinced by a documentary even if it's not true.
There's reason to believe it's possoble the 2 accusers are lying now, there's also reason to believe they aren't. But we'll never know, all we know for sure is MJ showed some incredibly concerning behaviors that sure as hell looked like child grooming.
He's repeating the same incorrect information.
The reason this is so frustrating is that you can ~literally~ go on the FBI website and read the entire case. All of the information is public now. There is nothing preventing anyone from going on there and seeing what their investigation was. Yet people, including his nephew, choose to continue to perpetuate bullshit.
Luckily though, there are no personal or financial biases that would cause the Jackson family to spout falsehoods!
Reviewing what exactly? Is there any new proof offered in this?
Exactly. Many people are completely ignoring this. It's the goddamned FBI. Believe a documentary if you want tho. I'm not even really a fan of MJ's music, mostly the justice system in this case.
I... think you misread this post....
Michael Jackson was not investigated by the FBI for ten years but people have intentionally spread the lie that he was.
I think what they were saying is that you can go through the information that the FBI found as it's all public and searchable at this time. A bit flippant, but the point stands. The information is there.
Yes? That's the whole point of this thread! Did you actually read Wesley Morris' piece?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/arts/television/michael-jackson-leaving-neverland.html
If you choose to watch this documentary and come away with it feeling like these two victims would go through all this drama and trauma and admit this to their families just to make a buck or something that cynicism is on you.
Me reading this thread because man are people getting way too heated at those who are calmly stating their POV ( and using facts too!)
And people bringing up R Kelly? Come on . I don't see celeb worship I see a bunch of people who have seen yeaaaars of questionable attacks on a controversial figure that were eventually disproven. One doc doesn't erase the entire road leading up to it . Of course if the truth is the worst case scenario then MJ will be rightly condemned but man some people really wanna see the man burn
And people bringing up R Kelly? Come on . I don't see celeb worship I see a bunch of people who have seen yeaaaars of questionable attacks on a controversial figure that were eventually disproven. One doc doesn't erase the entire road leading up to it . Of course if the truth is the worst case scenario then MJ will be rightly condemned but man some people really wanna see the man burn
Is this documentary from one sides perspective considering MJ went through an actual very public trial for this very thing
Arguments like "Man X didn't rape every single person he saw and had friends so he can't be a rapist" are... not really fact based.
This is the weirdest debate I've ever had on this forum. I never said they...were? I don't even know what you're going on about.
I'm curious if this documentary will spend any time trying to patch up Wade's shit credibility, or just sweep it under the rug. I'm afraid what we're going to get instead is a documentary 100% interested in convincing you based on emotion.
I'll be watching this Sunday.
I'll be watching this Sunday.
From everything I've gathered this is two individuals who have testified under oath saying the opposite of what they are claiming now. I haven't seen the doc but this isn't something you can just wave away. Nothing in that write-up tells me that there's any more proof being offered than previously.
Wesley Morris from the Washington post says:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/28/arts/television/michael-jackson-leaving-neverland.html
This adds a lot to the thread. I liked the part where you discredited the numerous facts that have been brought up and explained why they're in denial.
huffpost.com/us/entry/us_610258
Relevant quote:
What's hilarious is that during the trial it came out that the relevant issues of magazines hadn't even been published before Arvizo started accusing MJ of molesting him.
You may continue your petty little crusade.
Right on the money:
Leaving Neverland review: Michael Jackson documentary is brutal, powerful, and flawed | EW.com
Leaving Neverland's lack of candor about Wade Robson and James Safechuck does them a disservice | Slate Magazine
Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed: 'We needed to establish, in the most graphic terms, what Michael Jackson was doing with little children' | The Independent
Finding a lot of evidence "which directly corroborated Wade and James's story" but not include any of it in a friggin' documentary is a bullshit move, but whatever.
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I just got home. I'll threadmark and update the OP with some stuff. (though I don't think people notice/care about Threadmarks since people are all saying no one is reading/noticing Drewton's posts).
Call me crazy, but when I hear a drug-addled middle-aged man talk about how loving and sweet it is to share his bed with little boys, I label him a creep.
There is no excuse for that.
There is no excuse for that.
Except you're twisting the truth as well. If you look at the documents you can see the investigation took place in '93, '95, '03 and '04. With seperate cases pertaining to '92 and '97.
So congrats, not a 10 year ongoing investigation but one that stretched about 10 years. That still left him clear of any wrongdoing.
Unless you consider sleeping with random young boys to be wrong, which he admitted to doing. 🤷🏻♂️
Loose Change must be telling the truth then about 9/11 being an inside job. /s
Any new evidence brought forward? No. Story from these accusers widly discredited by experts and judges in the past? Yes.
I'm not saying Michael Jackson wasn't weird and eccentric, I'm just saying I'm not convinced he was a pedophile.
Why wait for the 10 year anniversary of his death to release an HBO documentary about this? Nobody waited for the 10 year anniversary of Jimmy Saville's death to out him as a pedophile. And unlike this case there was alot of smoke and evidence to prove it.
If this was Bob Jackson, a random rich drug addict who spent his nights sleeping next to different young boys, there'd be no question about his guilt from most of MJ's defenders. The trials and investigations would be called shams where people were paid for their silence.
Common sense says you don't do what he admitted to doing without some kind of dark desire to molest young boys.
A guy makes a few good songs though and he's most likely just eccentric.
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Have you seen the film yet?
Do you agree they are serious accusations brought up in a circus like atmosphere about a very strange man with deeply unsettling relationships with multiple hand picked boys who admitted to sleeping with them?
Do you think something like that deserves rigorous scrutiny?
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