Wait, doesn't that DLC do the opposite of missing the point? It's extremely fitting.
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Leaked scene from Catherine Full Body reveals more information about Qatherine.(spoilers)
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Erica has her own issues too, it's not just how she's treated, it's what happens with her and a certain char. Most of my trans friends feel like it's a REALLY bad look.
That is extremely dumb. What in the world is Atlus thinking, smh.
Oh, yeah... I forgot about that. That was super dumb, in several ways.
It absolutely misses the point. You aren't Vincent, Vincent is a spineless piece of garbage and that is the point. She's meant to be his ideal type of girl, not the player's.
Atlus just has to ruin their fun games with some dumb shit IE the ann stuff or the gay couple in P5.
Sure, I can appreciate that perspective since Vincent is his own person. But, at the same time, the player is his moral compass and is the one guiding him through his romantic troubles. It's not that distinct of a delineation.
I remember some friends told me Katherine was a 'controlling bitch' [sic]. I was like what? Vincent is a fucking slob, anyone would be frustrated with him.
I wonder if they still think the same, almos 10 years later.
I agree, but I always thought in the original they didn't do a particularly good job of explaining why Vincent was even with Katherine in the first place.
yeah nothing terribly shocking.
People were expecting the absolute worst, so it's a relief that it's at least just goofy.
Pretty sure that had always been her official name (Rin is only a nickname).
I could never really picture it, either (didn't care much for Katherine personally, yet at the same time had no idea why she put up with Vincent as much as she did).
I always interpreted that last scene to be just after Vincent arrived on the space station, and becoming a space tourist...not that the entire game took place on a spaceship already.
Spoilers running rampant, but you gotta remember this from a certain scene:
The weather where Vincent lives is artificially controlled. This is one of the hints that indicates the setting throughout the game.
Super classy move from Atlas after their horrific history of LBGT representation to explicitly code Rin as trans with marketing then make it a joke as opposed to actually attempting to do a LBGT character justice.
That's just the natural evolution of the infallible weather forecast from Persona 4 ;)Spoilers running rampant, but you gotta remember this from a certain scene:
The weather where Vincent lives is artificially controlled. This is one of the hints that indicates the setting throughout the game.
Youtuber RubberRoss made a joke about "Qatherine" way back in 2015, over two years before "Full Body" was announced.
Ohhhhhhh shit!Spoilers running rampant, but you gotta remember this from a certain scene:
The weather where Vincent lives is artificially controlled. This is one of the hints that indicates the setting throughout the game.
Nah that's being too generous and kind of letting them off the hook because it's way more frustrating than that. P5 at numerous points comments on how shitty women are treated, people always point to the Kamoshida portion of the game but the fact is that two characters in that game are focused around how poorly women are treated and there are numerous references outside of that. Yet the game still has to have creepy fan service bullshit around Ann as well as other issues around the dating aspects.
Even Erica in Catherine at times feels like they wanted to write her as a character who is more than a cheap and gross joke. But yet again they undercut that by throwing in multiple moments that are just awful and totally undermine any attempt to treat that character respectfully.
On some level they're aware that these characters deserve to be treated better and they even acknowledge this but for whatever reason they give up halfway there.
True. An alien that doesn't have traditionally human female sexual organs could easily be trans coded coming from writers too skittish to write explicitly about real social issues. Hell, there's plenty of examples in anime and manga with human characters who are, on their face, trans, but written in such a way to call them anything but. It makes describing their identity difficult sometimes because how they appear and act isn't always congruent with how real queer people identify.
Because it's Japanese culture, they see those charachters as non traditional aka disgraceful. Specifically talking about trans people here, well gay people and anything "non traditional" fits the bill too. Their problematic culture needs a serious shakeup. Pretend I used a stronger word than problematic there, I can't post it else I'll get banned for a week for "racism" again.
Also yes I was being waaaaaaaaaaaay too generous.
Not familiar with the channel, so new to me. Amusing, though (and arguably says plenty about Atlus given how ridiculous what actually happened was).
I did not imply the game is free from controversy, only that those concerned about a possible mishandling of a transexual character have no more need to worry.
You're giving them waaaay too much credit here, when they haven't earned any of it.
The writers of Persona 5 aren't "too skittish to write explicitly about real social issues", lol. That's what the entirety of that game's plot is, including some "ripped from the headlines" style events.
The """"outrage"""" was completely warranted. They not only have a horrible track record on this topic even within the original game alone, making people reasonably wary of what they might do, but explicitly tried to act like she might be trans and played that up in a shitty way.
People knew she probably wasn't going to be trans; they were just afraid that it might really be the case because it's not like they've made great decisions about this so far. But the way they marketed this sucks in itself.
My post was meant to be critical. Hypothetically, if they were to use a trans coded alien girl to discuss real issues of gender and sexuality in a game that has previously used trans-ness as a punchline, it would reflect poorly on the writing team.
This is my worry and this spoiler only fuels it.
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Wasn't the marketing very similar to how they marketed the original?
Coding refers to framing and presentation, meaning Qatherine being an alien doesn't contradict any issues anyone had.
Pretry sure none of the marketing of the original had any of the stuff they did here, no.
I don't think it's just them being dumb, it's way worse than this. It has more to do with willingly being regressive and willingly mocking transgenders and gays. They're adult, they perfectly know what they're doing, they're perfectly know that they will hurt people and make some unsensitive people laugh or alt right feel good about it. They're doing it on purpose, which is way more awful than just being ignorant and dumb.
Is it really though? At least that was consistent to the nightmares and the premise of them. This is... I dont even know how this ties in
well, it's better than what a lot of folks were worried about
I mean. iirc Katherine
, lol. all of the characters are fucked up
I mean. iirc Katherine
fakes a pregnancy to try and get him to agree to a joint bank account/marry her
I guess you're right. It's obvious by now that Atlus will George Lucas the hell out of their properties every chance they get.
Honestly, I kind of like this, depending on how it's pulled off? It fits the kitschy vibe of the frame narrative, and isn't as problematic as it could be. It also vaguely reminds me of Qfwfq from Italo Calvino stories.
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