Leaked Concept Art for Odin from GoW Ragnarok

[Deleted member 49482]

While I would have advised Dusk to not do this and open himself up I feel his reasoning is just human. He gets attacked every time he leaks something, and I don't mean the discussion about the harm of leaks in general, I mean people just attack him. Claim he is a liar, that he doesn't know what he speaks of and it follows him around all over. Even though he has been on the money about most everything and that wears on you, you want to prove you have the goods. He has the goods, He feels he still needs to prove it to others, I say he's done enough and just let it go.

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Honestly, I think the ego and validation aspect comes into play when you get overly concerned whether people believe you and you feel you have to prove yourself to them. I can actually understand and empathize with knowing about leaks/spoilers, being excited about them, and wanting to discuss them with someone. But reading between the lines, Dusk Golem seems to really want people to believe that he's important and knows stuff.

I mean, look at these posts:

"I'm still feeling out where I want to be. I am seriously in a position I could hurt a lot of devs with things I'm starting to get ahold of, and I don't really want that. But I also can prove I'm not bullshitting, and I think some light teases and small things are fine, so feeling out what feels right basically. What causes only a little damage for devs (nothing too bad), is fun, and raises intrigue & discourse, plus people can see is true later."

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"Don't worry, I'm literally just planning to post the Odin concept art (as interesting, but not too spoilery, and can be proven in the near future) and a two second gameplay clip when the gameplay trailer is released (it's nothing spoiler-y, just an unlisted video I uploaded about a month ago so I can link the unlisted video later to prove I'm not bullshitting and people can see the date it was uploaded on YouTube.)

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[EntelechyFuff]

IIRC there was some pushback about the Alone in the Dark leaks as well, and how Dusk went about it.

Obviously a more popular IP is going to have a more active discussion.

Even though he has been on the money about most everything and that wears on you, you want to prove you have the goods. He has the goods, He feels he still needs to prove it to others, I say he's done enough and just let it go.

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That doesn't make these leaks ok, but the accusations of clout chasing continue to just be really absurd considering who Dusk actually is.

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I mean, the actual leak we can see in the thread had "Dusk Golem was here" on it in giant letters. Saying "it's not about clout" is a really tough argument to make when talking about this leak in particular.

 

[Prine]

Retired leaker strikes again. Saying we shouldn't worry about further leaks from them just rings so hollow. The fact that this was even posted is already raising anxieties about months of dodging spoilers. But yeah. I'm not surprised anymore. This is leak culture.

I'm tired.

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At least it's all in one thread, which others can avoid.

 

[AOL Power User]

Someone tell Adrian Wojnarowski to quit!


Never understood the leak thing, especially since I'm so used to shit like that in sports lol.

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As a huge baseball fan and also a developer, the effects of a leak in sports are nowhere near as damaging as the effects of a leak in games. Most of what is leaked in sports is around trade/contract talks (with the occasional injury detail) - games have a lot more around preserving surprise, information rollout, etc etc.

There is SO much planning we do around this and clout chasing leakers do a lot of damage, even if it's seemingly small like this. Telling that the vast majority of developers in here are against it - we're the ones in the trenches, we understand it.

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

LMAO. There was a stubborn user in the official GOW sub arguing with me so agressively stating that Odin needs to be a bulky body builder based on nothingness BS. Now I want to see his reactions. XD

 

[plow]

Valhalla putting these artists to shame on everything but Thor. It's sad really.

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Valhalla has boring 0815 design for the gods.

 

[goons14]

i think people will be surprised when they see what they see!

 

[Raigor]

It's pathetic how people are lashing at Dusk Golem when Tom Henderson has been leaking stuff constantly for several months and hardly anyone bats an eye.

 

[Odinsmana]

People only care about how leaks effect developers if it's a games they really anticipate and even then they'll be scrounging for any tidbits they can while simultaneously calling out leakers for clout chasing

So forgive me for being so done with some of the crap I hear on this forum

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While some people are hypocritical like that a lot of people aren`t. You are also dodging what I said about devs saying that leaks hurt them. You can be sick with some users here, but telling people that they are wrong for not liking leaks is kind of a dick move considering what devs have said about the subject.

 

[ArchStanton]

He looks cool, but will he always have that floating text around him?

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Underrated post.

 

[Chumunga64]

While some people are hypocritical like that a lot of people aren`t. You are also dodging what I said about devs saying that leaks hurt them. You can be sick with some users here, but telling people that they are wrong for not liking leaks is kind of a dick move considering what devs have said about the subject.

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Wait, my original point is that people here only care about leaks if it's about games they really anticipate not that leaks are actually okay

I'm not gonna talk about leaks and the morality of them

 

[Oreiller]

""I'm still feeling out where I want to be. I am seriously in a position I could hurt a lot of devs with things I'm starting to get ahold of, and I don't really want that. But I also can prove I'm not bullshitting, and I think some light teases and small things are fine, so feeling out what feels right basically. What causes only a little damage for devs (nothing too bad), is fun, and raises intrigue & discourse, plus people can see is true later.""

What is this post from his Reddit? Leaking is whatever but you make it sound like your getting off on it lol

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That's downright pathetic.

 

[Zor]

It's pathetic how people are lashing at Dusk Golem when Tom Henderson has been leaking stuff constantly for several months and hardly anyone bats an eye.

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So those of us who HAVE taken Tom to task should just stop then right? Because others didn't?

What kind of logic is that?

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

I understand some leaks are more news/noteworthy but this....anyone who is interested in God of War is going to see this in a few months and anybody who isn't ...why would they care? This seems like pure ego stroke.

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Exactly! For such people ranting about this it is liek saying to them: look there is Odin in this game! For eal? Then amssive meltdown.
Dunno what is this different from devs officially revealing Thor and this.
If someone wants to go full blackout, then he needs to just stop using the internet until the game releases.

 

[forgiventhrice]

Thanks to the leak, I think We should get official character image from SSM very soon.

 

[Raigor]

So those of us who HAVE taken Tom to task should just stop then right? Because others didn't?

What kind of logic is that?

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What did you actually wrote?

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Thanks to the leak, I think We should get official character image from SSM very soon.

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I won't be surprised if they do it around the game release and that Odin will be featured in one of the trailers.

 

[MoonCoffee8]

I don't think leaking itself is necessarily the problem.
It took leaks for Naughty Dog to reveal any gameplay from the Part I remake and admit they don't offer gameplay improvements.
That should've never happened for a game that was one month out at the time.

The real problem is the quality and behaviour of the leakers, and whether they choose to fabricate long-winded conjecture for the sake of getting more attention. This particular leaker clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed here yet people will defend them like they're a god.

 

[Zor]

What did you actually wrote?

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I mean, you should know that already if you're willingly making claims to begin with right?

But sure, here, enjoy this page in particular I guess:

Tom Henderson: Hideo Kojima’s New Horror Game is Dubbed “Overdose” [KJP asked for article to be removed, TH said No]

leaking stuff like this is self-serving nonsense

www.resetera.com

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

Aren't those the gem eyes from Mimir? If Mimir coudl recover both his eyes then why Odin have full eyes now?
Another one of those time paradox shenanigans?

 

[Odinsmana]

Wait, my original point is that people here only care about leaks if it's about games they really anticipate not that leaks are actually okay

I'm not gonna talk about leaks and the morality of them

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Ah! My bad then. I thought the line about how this won`t afect the sales of GoW was meant to imply that the leaks wouldn`t hurt anything. My bad!

 

[Chumunga64]

Ah! My bad then. I thought the line about how this won`t afect the sales of GoW was meant to imply that the leaks wouldn`t hurt anything. My bad!

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Nah, it's cool

I've seen you in multiple leak threads talking about how they hurt devs so I know you're genuine about it

 

[Zor]

The real problem is the quality and behaviour of the leakers, and whether they choose to fabricate long-winded conjecture for the sake of getting more attention. This particular leaker clearly has issues and shouldn't be allowed here yet people will defend them like they're a god.

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Their recent reddit post that has been quoted a few times, where they wilfully say they don't mind posting things that cause the devs a little damage because "it's fun", should really be all the proof behind the motivations that we need, but peeps will still worship Dusk and defend him as "passionate".

 

[goons14]

Thanks to the leak, I think We should get official character image from SSM very soon.

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that's not how he looks at all

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

that's not how he looks at all

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You know how he really looks? Does that mean this leak is fake?

 

[goons14]

You know how he really looks? Does that mean this leak is fake?

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it's stated as concept art. i do not know what that looks like, but i know what in game character looks like.

 

[--R]

If Odin really doesn't look like the concept art, we've reached a double point of "why even bother" with this leak.

 

[MistahS]

I had hoped he was chonky like Thor

 

[finally]

I don't understand how is this leak worth anything, it's just an old guy with a beard..

 

[Handsome James]

I don't understand how is this leak worth anything, it's just an old guy with a beard..

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It worth it for the weird meltdowns alone

 

[Delaney]

Seriously, Dusk really isn't some rando, they're an indie developer themself and have had roles in the industry (community management iirc?). The accusations of clout chasing continue to just be really absurd considering who Dusk actually is.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJ9-Hh_64o

 

[headspawn]

I don't understand how is this leak worth anything, it's just an old guy with a beard..

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Apparently it's enough to get people into gamermode judging by a lot of posts on the first few pages.

 

[N2BearHugs]

This thread makes me feel a twinge of sadness for Dusk and what motivates him. And that's all. No more or less hype for the game itself.

So… shrug?

 

[Izanagi89]

At least it's all in one thread, which others can avoid.

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Yeah, for sure. My comment was mostly about the contradictions between what the leaker is saying vs what they're doing. Just my own frustrations. It's good that things are in their own threads. Kinda just need to step away from all of that.

 

[Magoo]

 

[shadowsdarknes]

I thought all of this stuff was going into a leak thread.

 

[Simo]

Fairly sure Odin has different looks and guises anyway given a tweet by SSM.

 

[Woodbeam]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJ9-Hh_64o

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If you read my post and all you got out of it was that I'm a stan or whatever then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Zor]

It worth it for the weird meltdowns alone

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And which defenders of shite like this to helpfully put on ignore.

 

[Zebesian-X]

it's stated as concept art. i do not know what that looks like, but i know what in game character looks like.

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Do you mean to say that after all the riff-raff in this thread, the leak doesn't even reflect the final game?

 

[Simo]

it's stated as concept art. i do not know what that looks like, but i know what in game character looks like.

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lol

 

[shoemasta]

Someone tell Adrian Wojnarowski to quit!


Never understood the leak thing, especially since I'm so used to shit like that in sports lol.

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Tbf, Woj only "leaks" things that teams or players want him to leak.

 

[Curt Baboon]

""I'm still feeling out where I want to be. I am seriously in a position I could hurt a lot of devs with things I'm starting to get ahold of, and I don't really want that. But I also can prove I'm not bullshitting, and I think some light teases and small things are fine, so feeling out what feels right basically. What causes only a little damage for devs (nothing too bad), is fun, and raises intrigue & discourse, plus people can see is true later.""

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EDIT: Removing my original comment since it was honestly too mean.

I'll just summarize and say that what constitutes to "only a little damage for the devs" is not for you to decide, and I'm sure every developer who has had a surprise ruined in service of someone else leaking it for fake internet clout would think it's extremely not cool.

 

[Poldino]

This thread should be closed, this shit needs to stop seriously

 

[Servbot24]

Is it is the final design or just one of 1000 designs they did for him?

 

[franloradr]

It ruins the surprise for those who wants to be ruined by the spoilers, thats all

if someone has secret information about the plot of the game and wants to share with other folks that also want to discuss about whats about to come, they shouldnt be harassed by the rest for openning a thread informing at the top of it that spoilers are expected to be discussed inside

And by the way, thats completly different from what a reduce group of idiots always try to when an important game is near which is trying to ruin others gamers by sending PM's with spoilers -> this is vomitive

 

[goons14]

Do you mean to say that after all the riff-raff in this thread, the leak doesn't even reflect the final game?

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it does NOT!

 

[Kyuuji]

 

[Deleted member 13798]

I always forget how heated Dusk threads get until a new one arises.

I don't mind spoilers but hearing from Devs recently how much these leaks really deflate their enthusiasm for their hard work has kind of put me off from really engaging with them anymore. Starting now.

It's pathetic how people are lashing at Dusk Golem when Tom Henderson has been leaking stuff constantly for several months and hardly anyone bats an eye.

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Wasn't he the one that acted like a mega asshole when KojimaProductions asked him to take stuff down? They get more of a pass sure, but they're often just matter of factly leaking stuff instead of creating an air of mystery and baiting. Doesn't make it any less shitty towards the developers though.

 

[Zor]

Wasn't he the one that acted like a mega asshole when KojimaProductions asked him to take stuff down? They get more of a pass sure, but they're often just matter of factly leaking stuff instead of creating an air of mystery and baiting. Doesn't make it any less shitty towards the developers though.

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Yep, that's him.

And Jeff Grubb was getting called out on here too for his handling of recent "leaks" but these things are getting ignored as people here simply have a soft spot for Dusk and his "passion".