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I don't know why you have to justify anything.
Leaks happen everywhere in all industries, don't blame yourself for anything.
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Leaks happen everywhere in all industries, don't blame yourself for anything.
I guess that's the main thing, this thread alone is a bloodbath.
In any case (not for the user i'm mentioning specifically, but in general):
Please never justify dogpilling and harassment, in this case i fear it'll only get worse.
If you know Dusk just a tiny bit better it's easy to get he's a dorky enthusiast that can't help himself most of the times, guy is extremely passionate and very selfless, despite what most folks think.
It's just really bad timing, plus not quite matching the idea of being yourself with the damages leaking does all around.
Turns out it's just never worth it in all angles.
I do understand leaks for games that aren't announced - or games that have 'gone dark', but when it's a game in the midst of its marketing campaign I don't know what the scoop is.
These games are big projects. There are external studios contributing, there are large QA teams - yeah, things will leak... I don't think it's that interesting. There should be some other aspect of interest to a leak than 'You know that thing that's coming in three months? Well here it is now".
These games are big projects. There are external studios contributing, there are large QA teams - yeah, things will leak... I don't think it's that interesting. There should be some other aspect of interest to a leak than 'You know that thing that's coming in three months? Well here it is now".
Yeah, doesn't seem good for your mental health to let it become a personal battle, either keep it businesslike or avoid leaking stuff if you feel constantly under pressure to explain yourself.
Honestly, the responses in this thread kind of exemplify how annoying people are about leakers, especially those they have more direct access to thanks to forums and social media.
Dusk posts reliable leaks for years, gets accused of chasing clout. Retires from leaking, gets accused causing drama to chase clout. Says he knows stuff in conversations without going into details, gets accused of lying to chase clout. Leaks something to prove he knows stuff, gets accused of chasing clout.
At this point it's a vicious circle. If you don't like leaks, just don't engage and drop the hate boner. If you like leaks, enjoy - but maybe don't ask the guy "hey where's Silent Hill" in every single thread or Twitter post. Grow up.
Dusk posts reliable leaks for years, gets accused of chasing clout. Retires from leaking, gets accused causing drama to chase clout. Says he knows stuff in conversations without going into details, gets accused of lying to chase clout. Leaks something to prove he knows stuff, gets accused of chasing clout.
At this point it's a vicious circle. If you don't like leaks, just don't engage and drop the hate boner. If you like leaks, enjoy - but maybe don't ask the guy "hey where's Silent Hill" in every single thread or Twitter post. Grow up.
It seems like
- Leak stuff that is right = harassment
- Leak stuff that is right but not shown within 24 hours = harassment
- Don't leak stuff = harassment
- Leak many things that are real but get 1 wrong = harassment
This so much, it reminds me of the MANY times Grubb has leaked something that was right, then gets 1 thing wrong and people go after him like he ran over their dog.
I wouldn't go that far but it's definitely not healthy, yes.
As a very flawed person myself, i know it comes from the best intentions but in the end it just hurts them, hence why i want to give support but not sugar-coating it in any way.
Oh definitely, mentioned DG in my post because that's what the thread is about, but people have this same attitude towards Jeff Grubb, Schreier and basically any prolific person in the know.
Leaks hurt devs. "Just don't read them" is not a good solution. Leakers fuck over other people for personal gain. I don't see how it can be spun into something positive or even neutral.
Isn't that the same one who lied a lot about the development of Death Stranding? Anyway I had seen another image of Odin, but possibly it was fanart. He had horns and a spear.
Can he also tell us that the PS5 version is struggling to run smoothly, and that it was also originally meant to be an RE spinoff on the switch? Tired of the manipulation and inability for this guy to be quiet.
I don't know where people get the chasing clout idea from.
*sees OP post of a watermark that almost takes up the entire image*
Hmm.
I mean some of these people are directly monetizing from these types of leaks so their intentions are personal gain (not saying that is the case here) but it's like you said, one of those situations where I wouldn't go bail someone out if they got in trouble.
Oh, what a horrible leak. Everything surrounding GoW Ragnarok is ruined now and the gaming community will never be able to recover from this.
It's unreal how much hate some leakers get by the gaming community in general.
Did they leak something big? Burn them to the stake.
Did they leak something small. Burn them to the stake.
Did they stop leaking stuff? Burn them to the stake (it's proof they were always full of shit)
Calm down y'all.
It's unreal how much hate some leakers get by the gaming community in general.
Did they leak something big? Burn them to the stake.
Did they leak something small. Burn them to the stake.
Did they stop leaking stuff? Burn them to the stake (it's proof they were always full of shit)
Calm down y'all.
Since when him not leaking things gets him harassment?
It's really not hard to understand. Devs puts a lot of effort into making games. The least they should get is to show it in the best light possible especially when the trailer is about to drop anyway.
Correction: leaks can hurt devs. There are definitely situations where they go too far, but I guarantee nobody was losing hairs over Jeff Grubb saying the name of Star Wars Jedi Survivor, for example.
When your sources are devs directly and you can ask them if they're cool with sharing what you know, it's a very different matter to - for example - The Snitch blowing the lid on Summer Game Fest because they've seen the YouTube backend.
A perfect example of my point. What manipulation? The conversation instantly devolves into hyperbole with people acting like he murdered your family and gaslit you or something. Dude's just sharing what he heard on the internet. Sometimes that's going to be right, sometimes that's going to be wrong.
This versus how many leaks of his without giant watermarks?
You're missing the point. Replace "chasing clout" with whatever hyperbolic internet argument of the week - let's go with "manipulation" since that's a dumb one already in this post. Point is - so what? If you don't wanna see Odin concept art before release, ignore the thread. If you wanna see Odin concept art, come into the thread and talk about how skinny he looks or something. If it turns out this isn't legit concept art? Dude probably got a wrong source. It happens.
Not pointing to you specifically but I only see this argument in Dusk Golem threads(or Tom Henderson for Silent Hill). When other stuff is leaked like Alone in the Dark for instance no one seems to care at all for the devs having their reveal spoiled.
Again want to stress I'm not calling you out I know nothing of your post history but I saw this sentiment a ton in the Silent Hill thread and have not seen it repeated on masse for any other leaked snippet of a game since.
Certainly looks a helluva a lot different than I was expecting...
Dusk Golem just drop that video link if its just a few seconds mate. lol Also is the trailer a decent length and more story or gameplay focused?
Dusk Golem just drop that video link if its just a few seconds mate. lol Also is the trailer a decent length and more story or gameplay focused?
I like Dusk. I love and respect the game developers. I'm some cases it can hurt them but I also believe that leaks can help build hype/anticipation. Thin line and all that…
lol, this is freaking God of War. No shortage of anticipation
I don't know how many leaks, I don't really follow this personality, but from what I see here they have a habit of being weird about it and going by this thread it seems to have merit. Perhaps the takeaway is to not make your personal brand about spilling info, or maybe to make the info itself be the important thing.
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As you say not all leaks are egual, but I will add that even if one dev think it`s fine to leak something that does not mean that the whole team agrees. I am sure we have all worked with assholes who make our life harder once.
Personally I didn`t see it and I don`t think people have the energy to talk about it in every leak thread. I don`t really get what you guys are trying to say with these posts?
Pretty much every dev I have seen in leak threads say that they don`t like leaks (we have one in this very thread). If you enjoy leaks then that`s fine, but they do cause harm (even if it is small) to the devs behind the games.
So to the only way to show that you care about devs is to go into every single leak thread and talk about it? If you don`t care that`s fine, but why do you feel the need to say that other people are lying. This kinda thing kinda feels like trying to justify things to yourself.
Edit: I have talked about this in several threads. Recently in a Silent Hill thread. A franchise that I have only played one game in and don`t really care much about, but I guess I am lying about this for some reason. It can`t possibly be that devs are actually harmed by leaks because then you might feel bad I guess.
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Because i saw alot of members, not just one or two, who engaging with leaks threads normally.
But when it's about TLoU P1 and GoWR they acting as if the sky will fall or something.
I have seen the same in Silent Hill threads and others as well. There are probably some people who are the way you imply. Put painting everyone with the same brush is a dick move. Especially in a topic that cause a lot of devs anxiety and stress for no good reason.
Leakers only have power because hype culture demands information 24/7 about everything. You see it all throughout resetera. "When's the next showcase?" "Where's the Direct"?. "Such and such is quiet". Then leaks happen and you get mad. You can't have it both ways.
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I didn't mean everyone for sure.
I'm sorry if that's what you understood from what I said.
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This is a thinly veiled attempt at console warring, but there is a huge difference between leaking promotional material like the Alone in the Dark leak, stuff that you'll likely see on Amazon and leaking in-game content probably not meant for public consumption outside of those that will play the game.
Both leaks suck, but one leak will likely lead into spoilers, and that's incredibly unfair not just to the devs but the fans waiting years to play the game.
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