Leaked Audio of Mike Bloomberg explaing his racist stop and frisk policy “you can just Xerox description's of male, minorities 16-25 to police"

Halo · Feb 12, 2020

It hurts me so much to say this...

Can we possibly elect the really rich (+competent) guy and get the psychopath out asap? Is it that simple?

Sorry, but it's inevitable. If we wait another 4 years, the core progressive platform will be totally dead.

Everything we want to do to keep this as a republic will be considered cool in 4-8 years.

The general electorate is not ready for it just yet but their days are numbered.

Halo · Feb 12, 2020

Really, really, rich dude maintains some stability for everyday Americans (joking) and the poor-rich through a MAJOR & PAINFUL correction/transition from full on crazy policies & then we hopefully flip to full on sensible progressive policies (50/50 odds)....seems like a win/win to me :)

Deleted member 20630 · Feb 12, 2020

I don't intend to Bernie-or-bust, though Bloomberg being the nominee would absolutely make me consider sitting out or just voting downticket. The thing is I absolutely understand it now whereas 4 years ago I was on the other side of this, right there with everyone shaming people who voluntarily sat out. This isn't about petulance, though, or not getting a brand new pony. It's about no longer being willing to accept the same thing that has resulted in things getting steadily worse decade after decade and always being told "Now's not a good time for progress. Wait till next time." I said this earlier in the primary thread, but it's just a perpetual way of kicking the can down the road on justice and equality.

It doesn't work. It's broken. It's demonstrably broken. We cannot, as a people, continue to accept conditions as they stand. A system in which Bloomberg is a serious contender for the Democratic nominee is evidence that the system itself must, as a matter of moral imperative, be radically altered lest we continue our slide to the right, and into fascism. A marginal improvement over Trump is not good enough, especially if it does not fix the circumstances by which we arrived here.

Also, there's something else that has been bothering me. People who call themselves allies but defend, support, or deflect for Bloomberg or people like him are not allies.

I'm very tired of people who are not my ally, or the allies of any other minority group, using us as truncheons to shame others. I'm tired of people talking about how if you don't vote blue no matter who you just have oh so much privilege and don't respect minorities when some of the same people will dogpile impoverished disabled people going "im really tired of being taken advantage of by dems for TWENTY YEARS."

I'm tired of being bi, neuroatypical, mentally ill, and poor and being told that it's not the right time to make any real changes that would help me, that would help others like me, and that would help other minorities.

I'm tired of democrats bending over backwards to concede ground to the right to such an extent that fascism has risen back up, and then being told that the only way we can defeat fascism is by doing the exact same thing that got us here.

Deleted member 20630 · Feb 12, 2020

Halo said:
Really, really, rich dude maintains some stability for everyday Americans (joking) and the rich through a MAJOR & PAINFUL correction/transition from full on crazy policies & then we flip to full on sensible progressive policies....seems like a win/win to me :)

No. Do better.

gutter_trash · Feb 12, 2020

Halo said:
It hurts me so much to say this...

Can we possibly elect the really rich (+competent) guy and get the psychopath out asap? Is it that simple?

Sorry, but it's inevitable. If we wait another 4 years, the core progressive platform will be totally dead.

Everything we want to do to keep this as a republic will be considered cool in 4-8 years.

The general electorate is not ready for it just yet but their days are numbered.

you can't be mega rich without being a psychopath sociopath

SpaceCrystal · Feb 12, 2020

Kthulhu said:
Remember how some people thought Bloomberg was the Dems best bet because he's a billionaire like Trump without the racism?

I hope people don't fall for his ads. Bloomberg's cash is a threat to everyone else running.

They won't once this starts spreading like wildfire. Benjamin Dixon needs to expose Bloomberg everywhere, & more than just on CNN.

BAD · Feb 12, 2020

Kaguya said:
That's at least two raging racist in the DNC primary, really makes you think about chances for the party that's still fully supporting Trump.

Bloomberg and who else? I'm guessing Buttigieg?

Cyanity · Feb 12, 2020

The Renegade Cut video says it all (but not really; there's so much more). Complete and utter trash, through and through. Why anyone would support this guy is beyond me.

Encephalon · Feb 12, 2020

Destroy this man

Advance.Wars.Sgt. · Feb 12, 2020

DiscoShark said:
People honestly being banned for saying they prefer Bloomberg to Trump? Is the sky blue? Is grass green? Bloomberg is the only candidate where I'd seriously consider staying home but that anyone would prefer him over Trump doesn't strike me as particularly controversial.

inb4 my ban for "dismissing concerns of racism" I guess.

It's the attempt to browbeat black/brown voters in particular of supporting a known racist who has enacted harmful policies just because he's a Dem that's disgusting.

What better way to flaunt your antipathy than saying one flavor of racism is more digestable than another, and then trying to guilt the actually affected groups into swallowing that poison all to themselves.

Deleted member 6215 · Feb 12, 2020

Yeah, Fuck everything about him. This is easily a line I won't ever cross. If the choice comes down between Trump and this guy, I'm out. There's no room in my life for supporting racist sacks of shit.

Bad_Boy · Feb 12, 2020

samoscratch said:
Here's some more on this,
CNN Attacks Benjamin Dixon For Unmasking Michael Bloomberg

I wouldn't say CNN attacked him. Its their correspondent Christina Alesci who seems to still work for Bloomberg. Or have some type of affiliation.

Shes like the future kelly conway for Mike Bloomberg.

Deleted member 2809 · Feb 12, 2020

Advance.Wars.Sgt. said:
It's the attempt to browbeat black/brown voters in particular of supporting a known racist who has enacted harmful policies just because he's a Dem that's disgusting.

What better way to flaunt your antipathy than saying one flavor of racism is more digestable than another, and then trying to guilt the actually affected groups into swallowing that poison all to themselves.

So does the same go for "i'd rather have trump than a moderate dem"?
And I mean a moderate dem, not bloomberg who's not moderate whatsoever.

Advance.Wars.Sgt. · Feb 12, 2020

Shugga said:
So does the same go for "i'd rather have trump than a moderate dem"?
And I mean a moderate dem, not bloomberg who's not moderate whatsoever.

Minorities (particularly black Americans) have exemplified a consistency in stomaching a certain threshold for bigotry all for the sake of electability. It's one of the primary reasons they've been a persistent Dem voting block since the 60s despite the constant turnstile of moderate Dems.

So, as seen with Biden (along with other reasons) it's why he's held onto black voter support for so long versus other candidates, and why Buttigieg (not moderate but someone with equally racist views) can't even whip up something paltry among the base.

But let me be clear: if you are and WON'T be affected by politicians who via their views enact bigoted policies, then you don't and HAVE NEVER had a say on how a member of the marginalized should vote. You do not have the permission, the gall, nor the authority to speak to a group you are not apart of, so quite frankly it would be best if you just kindly STFU.

Deleted member 2809 · Feb 12, 2020

Advance.Wars.Sgt. said:
Minorities (particularly black Americans) have exemplified a consistency in stomaching a certain threshold for bigotry all for the sake of electability. It's one of the primary reasons they've been a persistent Dem voting block since the 60s despite the constant turnstile of moderate Dems.

So, as seen with Biden (along with other reasons) it's why he's held onto black voter support for so long versus other candidates, and why Buttigieg (not moderate but someone with equally racist views) can't even whip up something paltry among the base.

But let me be clear: if you are and WON'T be affected by politicians who via their views enact bigoted policies, then you don't and HAVE NEVER had a say on how a member of the marginalized should vote. You do not have the permission, the gall, nor the authority to speak to a group you are not apart of, so quite frankly it would be best if you just kindly STFU.

Oh I don't agree with that banned guy at all.
I'm asking about that other case of "vote for that guy or get another 4 years of trump" we've been seeing a bunch because that seems pretty similar to me.

Haubergeon · Feb 12, 2020

Just thinking about how so much of this country and its supposedly progressive institutions will start excusing this man's behavior and actions practically makes me retch.

"Sure, he's a former Republican who is nearly as repugnant as Trump and personally believes most of the same things Trump does and ultimately his main interest is the same demographic, but he will maintain performative acts of decorum and maybe make life better by 1% so our descent into full-on oligarchy isn't that bad!"

I could never bring myself to support him. If Trump vs Bloomberg is what this country comes to, we're already cooked.

Advance.Wars.Sgt. · Feb 12, 2020

Shugga said:
Oh I don't agree with that banned guy at all.
I'm asking about that other case of "vote for that guy or get another 4 years of trump" we've been seeing a bunch because that seems pretty similar to me.

Gotcha. My stance still applies then - even more so because the latter case is a person using passive threats from a position of relative safety to persuade - but again, ultimately the decision to vote or not is largely up to the voter's discretion. Whether that person likes it or not.

It is a credit to the self-survival instincts of minorities - and not the insistence of antipathetic mouthpieces - that they haven't completely given up on what is essentially a rigged system. It's something the privileged seem to forget and instead have conflated into a perpetual debt they're owed.

Deleted member 7130 · Feb 12, 2020

Hierophant said:
News media sucks ass

Look at that class solidarity. The bourgeoisie circling the wagons for a white supremacist oligarch

edit: As far as comparisons to Trump, I will not vote for Bloomberg under any circumstance. I fully expect that he will not end the crime against humanity that is our border and immigration policy, and will actually just administer it more competently. Bloomberg is the competent fascist that I feared would come after Trump. I didn't expect to see that play out this soon and from the democratic field.

Deleted member 82 · Feb 12, 2020

ScribbleD said:
I don't intend to Bernie-or-bust, though Bloomberg being the nominee would absolutely make me consider sitting out or just voting downticket. The thing is I absolutely understand it now whereas 4 years ago I was on the other side of this, right there with everyone shaming people who voluntarily sat out. This isn't about petulance, though, or not getting a brand new pony. It's about no longer being willing to accept the same thing that has resulted in things getting steadily worse decade after decade and always being told "Now's not a good time for progress. Wait till next time." I said this earlier in the primary thread, but it's just a perpetual way of kicking the can down the road on justice and equality.

It doesn't work. It's broken. It's demonstrably broken. We cannot, as a people, continue to accept conditions as they stand. A system in which Bloomberg is a serious contender for the Democratic nominee is evidence that the system itself must, as a matter of moral imperative, be radically altered lest we continue our slide to the right, and into fascism. A marginal improvement over Trump is not good enough, especially if it does not fix the circumstances by which we arrived here.

Also, there's something else that has been bothering me. People who call themselves allies but defend, support, or deflect for Bloomberg or people like him are not allies.

I'm very tired of people who are not my ally, or the allies of any other minority group, using us as truncheons to shame others. I'm tired of people talking about how if you don't vote blue no matter who you just have oh so much privilege and don't respect minorities when some of the same people will dogpile impoverished disabled people going "im really tired of being taken advantage of by dems for TWENTY YEARS."

I'm tired of being bi, neuroatypical, mentally ill, and poor and being told that it's not the right time to make any real changes that would help me, that would help others like me, and that would help other minorities.

I'm tired of democrats bending over backwards to concede ground to the right to such an extent that fascism has risen back up, and then being told that the only way we can defeat fascism is by doing the exact same thing that got us here.

Hear hear. Even for me as a straight, neurotypical (but definitely poor) man, this is getting annoying and exhausting. Have higher standards for your democracy, people. A Bloomberg vs. Trump GE shows a broken system and broken priorities. End of story.

Cyanity said:
The Renegade Cut video says it all (but not really; there's so much more). Complete and utter trash, through and through. Why anyone would support this guy is beyond me.

Oh, you mean this video?

Yup. I'll keep posting it until people stop with their shit takes on Bloomberg. He's not 'better' than Trump. Only more presentable. And he has way more money than Trump to force his nefarious agenda down your throats. He's horrible.

Giruvegan · Feb 12, 2020

Being from the East Coast, I've known about this demon for awhile now. His true colors have been shown publicly to a greater audience but even in this very thread, you have others trying to dismiss his bigotry. Anyone trying to tell me or any other black/brown person how they should vote, needs to reassess.

That's the nicest way I can put it.

The same people who show disgust at the way Republicans stay in-line always seem to miss the way that Democrats can do the same. You're doing the bare minimum by not voting R. Being a Dem, especially a white Dem, is far from a revolutionary act. Seeing some posters bring up Biden and Buttigieg as alternatives, as if they aren't racist too, goes to show that even if you're in the same party that relations are just surface level.

I am. . .so fucking tired.

Stinkles · Feb 12, 2020

Giruvegan said:
Being from the East Coast, I've known about this demon for awhile now. His true colors have been shown publicly to a greater audience but even in this very thread, you have others trying to dismiss his bigotry. Anyone trying to tell me or any other black/brown person how they should vote, needs to reassess.

That's the nicest way I can put it.

The same people who show disgust at the way Republicans stay in-line always seem to miss the way that Democrats can do the same. You're doing the bare minimum by not voting R. Being a Dem, especially a white Dem, is far from a revolutionary act. Seeing some posters bring up Biden and Buttigieg as alternatives, as if they aren't racist too, goes to show that even if you're in the same party that relations are just surface level.

I am. . .so fucking tired.

Bloomberg is not Biden or Buttigieg and frankly while your tiredness makes mine irrelevant- we're all tired. But I'll repeat myself:

whatever you are concerned about- race, healthcare, representation, the rule of law, the Supreme Court, jobs, the economy, social justice, democracy, socialism, centrism, liberalism, progressiveness, Bernie's agenda, Pete's, Klob's, whatever. If Trump wins 2020 all the things that made you tired- will become permanent and irreversible in your lifetime.

I can't in good conscience tell anyone to vote for Tulsi or to a far lesser extent Bloomberg because I fundamentally distrust their intent or even that they'd work with the Democratic Party.

But I can say two things with certainty:

1. if Trump wins - the trajectory is horrifying and permanent.
2. If you don't vote - you directly help elect Trump and any messaging intent will be lost in the noise and counterproductive to your intention.

PancakeFlip · Feb 12, 2020

Stinkles said:
Bloomberg is not Biden or Buttigieg and frankly while your tiredness makes mine irrelevant- we're all tired. But I'll repeat myself:

whatever you are concerned about- race, healthcare, representation, the rule of law, the Supreme Court, jobs, the economy, social justice, democracy, socialism, centrism, liberalism, progressiveness, Bernie's agenda, Pete's, Klob's, whatever. If Trump wins 2020 all the things that made you tired- will become permanent and irreversible in your lifetime.

I can't in good conscience tell anyone to vote for Tulsi or to a far lesser extent Bloomberg because I fundamentally distrust their intent or even that they'd work with the Democratic Party.

But I can say two things with certainty:

1. if Trump wins - the trajectory is horrifying and permanent.
2. If you don't vote - you directly help elect Trump and any messaging intent will be lost in the noise and counterproductive to your intention.

It's like you totally ignored the post you replied to.

Giruvegan · Feb 12, 2020

Stinkles said:
Bloomberg is not Biden or Buttigieg and frankly while your tiredness makes mine irrelevant- we're all tired. But I'll repeat myself:

whatever you are concerned about- race, healthcare, representation, the rule of law, the Supreme Court, jobs, the economy, social justice, democracy, socialism, centrism, liberalism, progressiveness, Bernie's agenda, Pete's, Klob's, whatever. If Trump wins 2020 all the things that made you tired- will become permanent and irreversible in your lifetime.

I can't in good conscience tell anyone to vote for Tulsi or to a far lesser extent Bloomberg because I fundamentally distrust their intent or even that they'd work with the Democratic Party.

But I can say two things with certainty:

1. if Trump wins - the trajectory is horrifying and permanent.
2. If you don't vote - you directly help elect Trump and any messaging intent will be lost in the noise and counterproductive to your intention.

They're all racists. If any of them wins the nomination, I'm not voting for them. I don't care what anyone, especially a white person, thinks about this. America is a racist, classist, imperialist war machine. I don't have any faith in the electoral system even though I still vote. I never said that I didn't and I think that it's interesting that you tried to appeal to that scenario. The things that seem alarming to ' progressive ' white voters are things that I, as a black person have been dealing with my entire life. Personally, I'm sick of the narrative that Democrats are our only hope when the system has been rotten and festering for brown and black people in particular since the beginning.

So, once again, don't tell me what I ' should ' or ' have ' to do when so-called progressives in America pat themselves on the back for doing the bare minimum while everyone else suffers. And has been suffering. You want everyone to rally around whoever benefits you while everyone else stays in their place?

Fuck that.

I'm not going to vote D on someone who thinks I'm subhuman. Period.
This is not a controversial take.

It's almost as if. . .you proved the point of my original post.

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PancakeFlip said:
It's like you totally ignored the post you replied to.

The amount of self-control that it took to reply without using ( many ) expletives is the small thing I'm going to be proud of today.

Ionic · Feb 12, 2020

If you're already justifying a general vote for Bloomberg, you aren't just arguing against Trump, you are arguing for Bloomberg. Have some dignity and at least fib when asked if you'd support a bigoted billionaire democrat for president. There are no good reasons to bolster their support early for them.

Stinkles · Feb 12, 2020

PancakeFlip said:
It's like you totally ignored the post you replied to.

No. In fact I very much accepted the assertion that Bloomberg is a giant racist horror show. Especially for people of color. And that I couldn't possible properly relate to that harm that he has caused to those people. Then I said I couldn't in good conscience say that a person SHOULD vote for him or Tulsi. And then I repeated a dry and unfortunate bit of arithmetic that I'm not happy about.

The thing that you're rightfully upset about will become worse if Trump is reelected. I don't have a solution that solves both. I have an arithmetic that makes it less bad and less permanent. Or slows a catastrophic increase in those very problems.

Giruvegan said:
They're all racists. If any of them wins the nomination, I'm not voting for them. I don't care what anyone, especially a white person, thinks about this. America is a racist, classist, imperialist war machine. I don't have any faith in the electoral system even though I still vote. I never said that I didn't and I think that it's interesting that you tried to appeal to that scenario. The things that seem alarming to ' progressive ' white voters are things that I, as a black person have been dealing with my entire life. Personally, I'm sick of the narrative that Democrats are our only hope when the system has been rotten and festering for brown and black people in particular since the beginning.

So, once again, don't tell me what I ' should ' or ' have ' to do when so-called progressives in America pat themselves on the back for doing the bare minimum while everyone else suffers. And has been suffering. You want everyone to rally around whoever benefits you while everyone else stays in their place?

Fuck that.

I'm not going to vote D on someone who thinks I'm subhuman. Period.
This is not a controversial take.

It's almost as if. . .you proved the point of my original post.

I didn't tell you what to do. I repeated something I'm going to repeat in every election thread till November. That regardless of what your politics are, staying home helps Trump get elected. That could be a viable protest or method. I don't see it. But maybe?

That's not controversial. I can't make you do anything you don't want to do. All I can do as a citizen is remind people that Trump in particular, will not only make the institutional problems of racism and class worse, he will reverse what little progress there has been and then attempt to secure permance for an authoritarian and directly, nakedly racist state.

I WANT you to vote D for selfish reasons. Some of them are mutually beneficial.

What I would ask you - is to tell me what staying home will do to address or improve any of this - or why I shouldn't be concerned about permanent changes to the republic from this administration? You don't owe me an answer, but I would like to hear any ideas about realistically preventing what could be the most consequential assault on the rule of law in our lifetime.

And I don't think you owe me an answer either. But we're in the thread exchanging opinions. Mine is that Trump is worse. Not that the alternative is good or even adequate. it's not. It's terrible. But it's meaningfully less terrible.

Nepenthe · Feb 12, 2020

The reason Bloomberg is even in the conversation is because white Democrats do not have the interests of their black and brown neighbors and constituents at heart, but they're too enamored with decorum and appearing like the good guy to simply become Republicans.

This isn't an issue with minorities. It's an issue with white people. So don't ask us why we wouldn't vote for Bloomberg. Ask why y'all were trash enough to nominate him in the instance he wins it.

Deleted member 11413 · Feb 12, 2020

Hierophant said:
News media sucks ass

Politics is a game to these people. They do not care about what happens to the people of this country.

Deleted member 4346 · Feb 12, 2020

Nepenthe said:
The reason Bloomberg is even in the conversation is because white Democrats do not have the interests of their black and brown neighbors and constituents at heart, but they're too enamored with decorum and appearing like the good guy to simply become Republicans.

This isn't an issue with minorities. It's an issue with white people. So don't ask us why we wouldn't vote for Bloomberg. Ask why y'all were trash enough to nominate him in the instance he wins it.

You're on the money here.

I'm tired too, like Giruvegan said. 70% of white men voted to send Trump to the White House. White women voted for Trump too, about ~55% (we need to have a conversation here, long past due, on how white women benefit from white supremacy!). And yet black and brown folks are just supposed to show up, counterbalance racist white folks from throwing the nation into the abyss, saving them from themselves election after election after election.

Bloomberg is a bridge too far. His acceptance by the Democratic establishment and media is a slap in the face.

Deleted member 11413 · Feb 12, 2020

Apharmd said:
You're on the money here.

I'm tired too, like Giruvegan said. 70% of white men voted to send Trump to the White House. White women voted for Trump too, about ~55% (we need to have a conversation here, long past due, on how white women benefit from white supremacy!). And yet black and brown folks are just supposed to show up, counterbalance racist white folks from throwing the nation into the abyss, saving them from themselves election after election after election.

Bloomberg is a bridge too far. His acceptance by the Democratic establishment and media is a slap in the face.

If Bloomberg gets the nomination then that is the Democratic party sending the message to people of color and to LGBTQ people that the party does not give a shit about them. (They've been sending that message for decades tbh but this would be the most blatant form of it).

Advance.Wars.Sgt. · Feb 12, 2020

Giruvegan said:
They're all racists. If any of them wins the nomination, I'm not voting for them. I don't care what anyone, especially a white person, thinks about this. America is a racist, classist, imperialist war machine. I don't have any faith in the electoral system even though I still vote. I never said that I didn't and I think that it's interesting that you tried to appeal to that scenario. The things that seem alarming to ' progressive ' white voters are things that I, as a black person have been dealing with my entire life. Personally, I'm sick of the narrative that Democrats are our only hope when the system has been rotten and festering for brown and black people in particular since the beginning.

So, once again, don't tell me what I ' should ' or ' have ' to do when so-called progressives in America pat themselves on the back for doing the bare minimum while everyone else suffers. And has been suffering. You want everyone to rally around whoever benefits you while everyone else stays in their place?

Fuck that.

I'm not going to vote D on someone who thinks I'm subhuman. Period.
This is not a controversial take.

It's almost as if. . .you proved the point of my original post.

__

The amount of self-control that it took to reply without using ( many ) expletives is the small thing I'm going to be proud of today.

I imagine responding to this thread has been an exercise in restraint for black users in general (myself included) so I feel ya on that.

Pooh · Feb 12, 2020

Nepenthe said:
The reason Bloomberg is even in the conversation is because white Democrats do not have the interests of their black and brown neighbors and constituents at heart, but they're too enamored with decorum and appearing like the good guy to simply become Republicans.

This isn't an issue with minorities. It's an issue with white people. So don't ask us why we wouldn't vote for Bloomberg. Ask why y'all were trash enough to nominate him in the instance he wins it.

Actually, the reason Bloomberg is even in the conversation is because he is rising rapidly in black support, even surpassing Bernie in some polls.

(from Quinnipiac)

Black voters seem to be jumping ship from Biden to Bloomberg.

Giruvegan · Feb 12, 2020

Stinkles said:
I didn't tell you what to do. I repeated something I'm going to repeat in every election thread till November. That regardless of what your politics are, staying home helps Trump get elected. That could be a viable protest or method. I don't see it. But maybe?

That's not controversial. I can't make you do anything you don't want to do. All I can do as a citizen is remind people that Trump in particular, will not only make the institutional problems of racism and class worse, he will reverse what little progress there has been and then attempt to secure permance for an authoritarian and directly, nakedly racist state.

I WANT you to vote D for selfish reasons. Some of them are mutually beneficial.

I know this is going to be a bit of a shock to you but white supremacy existed before Trump and it will exist after whether a Dem wins or not. We could have the most progressive candidate win and still have systematic issues for years. That probably has a lot to do with the fact that these issues are innate to the country we live in. This idea that things can't or won't get worse is strange to me.

How do all the threads on police brutality and discrimination make you believe that we're not already there ?

White people have shown, time and again that they don't care unless they need us for votes.

Too soon?

What I would ask you - is to tell me what staying home will do to address or improve any of this - or why I shouldn't be concerned about permanent changes to the republic from this administration? You don't owe me an answer, but I would like to hear any ideas about realistically preventing what could be the most consequential assault on the rule of law in our lifetime.

And I don't think you owe me an answer either. But we're in the thread exchanging opinions. Mine is that Trump is worse. Not that the alternative is good or even adequate. it's not. It's terrible. But it's meaningfully less terrible.

Me choosing not to participate in a system that was made to grind me and other minorities into dust is only perceived as a slight because most white people are too fucking complacent to help any real change. To me, that change exists outside of the electorate. If you can't read between the lines and figure out what that means, that's on you. I've lost my patience tbh. How is voting for a racist candidate going to help anyone who isn't white? You're taking all this time to try to ' lecture ' me about about voting and going on about Trump when all I said it ' I'm not voting for a racist candidate '.

Voting isn't compulsory and I really don't appreciate you trying to condescend to me about it after I made the reasons why I wouldn't clear.

Servbot24 · Feb 12, 2020

I will vote no matter what. My preference for voting is:
1. Warren (though she should probably drop out soon)
2. Sanders
(huge gap)
4. Klobuchar
5. Buttigieg
6. Biden
(huge gap)
7. Bloomberg
8. Trump
Obviously there's no scenario where I would vote for Trump since there will always be two candidates on the board.
I can't fault anyone who can't bring themselves to check Bloomberg on a ballot.
I can fault people who refuse to vote for Biden over Trump though, as depressing as a Biden presidency might be.

Vincent Alexander · Feb 12, 2020

Stinkles said:
Bloomberg is not Biden or Buttigieg and frankly while your tiredness makes mine irrelevant- we're all tired. But I'll repeat myself:

whatever you are concerned about- race, healthcare, representation, the rule of law, the Supreme Court, jobs, the economy, social justice, democracy, socialism, centrism, liberalism, progressiveness, Bernie's agenda, Pete's, Klob's, whatever. If Trump wins 2020 all the things that made you tired- will become permanent and irreversible in your lifetime.

I can't in good conscience tell anyone to vote for Tulsi or to a far lesser extent Bloomberg because I fundamentally distrust their intent or even that they'd work with the Democratic Party.

But I can say two things with certainty:

1. if Trump wins - the trajectory is horrifying and permanent.
2. If you don't vote - you directly help elect Trump and any messaging intent will be lost in the noise and counterproductive to your intention.

Can I add a #3?

3. If you're black and don't vote for a shitbag like Bloomberg, I don't hold it against you for not dirtying your conscience by voting for a man who hates your existence. It's not your burden to bear fixing what white folks fucked up by putting Trump in office in the first place.

fontguy · Feb 12, 2020

Sketchsanchez · Feb 12, 2020

Asking minorities to choose the slightly not worst option so shit isn't as bad as it will be if the worst option wins is bullshit.

We're tired of it. If trump getting re-elected means white people can finally feel uncomfortable and maybe actually fight for shit then so be it.

Your lesser evil shit doesn't work. It's not Bernie or bust, it's fucking change the system or bust.

Don't allow Bloomberg the nomination. Stop being ready to accept the lesser evil and fucking stand with us.

Vincent Alexander · Feb 12, 2020

It is ABSOLUTELY insane that we're even having a conversation about Bloomberg with audio like this out there. This shows how fucked the Democratic party is that they don't thrash Bloomberg's ass and force him out. He shouldn't be on anyone's tongue, or on any ballots.

Nepenthe · Feb 12, 2020

Pooh said:
Actually, the reason Bloomberg is even in the conversation is because he is rising rapidly in black support, even surpassing Bernie in some polls.

(from Quinnipiac)

Black voters seem to be jumping ship from Biden to Bloomberg.

He is rising among everyone because of his attack ads on television. But, I stand (partially) corrected.

KoopaTheCasual · Feb 12, 2020

If Bloomberg wins the nomination, I'm still taking my ass to the polls and voting. At this point I've given up on white people (as a collective). I don't think they've ever really given a shit about people like me, and the least I can do is to make this car crash less explosive. I still want to have kids one day, but its getting harder to be optimistic about it, given my lack of power in making things better for them.

Idk what I'm saying anymore. I'm just rambling. I'm numb to this shit.

Servbot24 said:
I will vote no matter what. My preference for voting is:
1. Warren (though she should probably drop out soon)
2. Sanders
(huge gap)
4. Klobuchar
5. Buttigieg
6. Biden
(huge gap)
7. Bloomberg
8. Trump
Obviously there's no scenario where I would vote for Trump since there will always be two candidates on the board.
I can't fault anyone who can't bring themselves to check Bloomberg on a ballot.
I can fault people who refuse to vote for Biden over Trump though, as depressing as a Biden presidency might be.

This is where I'm at.

Pooh · Feb 12, 2020

Nepenthe said:
He is rising among everyone because of his attack ads on television. But, I stand (partially) corrected.

Obviously money is the biggest part of this all but if Bloomberg was at Pete numbers with black voters he wouldn't have a path.

Giruvegan · Feb 12, 2020

Advance.Wars.Sgt. said:
I imagine responding to this thread has been an exercise in restraint for black users in general (myself included) so I feel ya on that.

I've been lurking for years now marveling at how other black and poc posters can stand to be here sometimes.
' Liberal? ' ' Left? ' here ?

Sure. Yeah. Okay.

Apharmd said:
70% of white men voted to send Trump to the White House. White women voted for Trump too, about ~55% (we need to have a conversation here, long past due, on how white women benefit from white supremacy!). And yet black and brown folks are just supposed to show up, counterbalance racist white folks from throwing the nation into the abyss, saving them from themselves election after election after election.

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Sketchsanchez said:
Asking minorities to choose the slightly not worst option so shit isn't as bad as it will be if the worst option wins is bullshit.

We're tired of it. If trump getting re-elected means white people can finally feel uncomfortable and maybe actually fight for shit then so be it.

Your lesser evil shit doesn't work. It's not Bernie or bust, it's fucking change the system or bust.

Don't allow Bloomberg the nomination. Stop being ready to accept the lesser evil and fucking stand with us.

YES

TheOMan · Feb 12, 2020

Hierophant said:
News media sucks ass

What did I just read??

It turns out having a competent and moral free press is imperative in having a functioning democracy.

Deleted member 48897 · Feb 12, 2020

Hierophant said:
News media sucks ass

It's so frustrating how hard it is to tell if anything's actually growing on the consent farms or if it's all just a field of manure

Deleted member 6230 · Feb 12, 2020

Pooh said:
Actually, the reason Bloomberg is even in the conversation is because he is rising rapidly in black support, even surpassing Bernie in some polls.

(from Quinnipiac)

Black voters seem to be jumping ship from Biden to Bloomberg.

I would say Bloomberg's traction with black voters is due to name rec and the large network and sphere of influence he's built for over a decade. Dude has connects with black institutions like the church, HBCUs and the naacp iirc. He's also gotten endorsements from black mayors he's responsible for "training" already.

Surfinn · Feb 12, 2020

Vincent Alexander said:
It is ABSOLUTELY insane that we're even having a conversation about Bloomberg with audio like this out there. This shows how fucked the Democratic party is that they don't thrash Bloomberg's ass and force him out. He shouldn't be on anyone's tongue, or on any ballots.

Yup. And the fact that he was able to miss the first two states and buy his way up the polls without even appearing in public in a significant way as a dem nominee is outrageous.

If dems have any morals whatsoever, he will soon be an afterthought since this audio has resurfaced

Book One · Feb 12, 2020

lol @ trump getting re-elected making white people 'uncomfortable'

bmdubya · Feb 12, 2020

I don't understand how centrist Dems criticize Bernie running as a Democrat in the primary because he is an independent Senator, but they give Bloomberg a pass on being a Republican and Independent mayor. It just shows the true colors of centrist Dems: they'd rather support a racist, Republican mayor to be the nominee than support a candidate with progressive ideas. And then when they lose every election they wonder "how come people aren't more enthusiastic about our party?"

Sho_Nuff82 · Feb 12, 2020

That Trump and Bloomberg have traction with like 60% of the electorate despite their colorful histories with minorities, and every single candidate of color is toast except Tulsi mother-uffin Gabbard, speaks volumes about where this country is right now.

Ya'll ask why so many black people trust Biden? Maybe it's because they don't trust white America to do the right thing if Bernie or Warren is the nominee, and they don't trust people like Bloomberg (and Buttigieg tbh) to even try to make significant changes if they win. Black America didn't even trust Obama as the nom until portions of white America came around. We exist in a constant state of uncertainty whether candidates that speak to us are "presentable" to swing states, while people like Trump and Bloomberg have no such stigma.

KoopaTheCasual · Feb 12, 2020

Book One said:
lol @ trump getting re-elected making white people 'uncomfortable'

Honestly yea, are y'all serious with that thought?

That's like the fools who thought Trump elected the first time would cause a complete collapse and introspection of the US government. All that will happen is that people will "adjust" to Trump's reality becoming the new normal, and shit will just continue to get worse at a faster rate for black and brown people.

Don't try to rationalize your fatigue with the system and your abstinence from being involved as some form of noble act.

I've been there, but then I had to come back to the shitty reality of things.

Sho_Nuff82 said:
That Trump and Bloomberg have traction with like 60% of the electorate despite their colorful histories with minorities, and every single candidate of color is toast except Tulsi mother-uffin Gabbard, speaks volumes about where this country is right now.

Ya'll ask why so many black people trust Biden? Maybe it's because they don't trust white America to do the right thing if Bernie or Warren is the nominee, and they don't trust people like Bloomberg (and Buttigieg tbh) to even try to make significant changes if they win. Black America didn't even trust Obama as the nom until portions of white America came around. We exist in a constant state of uncertainty whether candidates that speak to us are "presentable" to swing states, while people like Trump and Bloomberg have no such stigma.

This^^^^

Talking to my family about why they support Biden, and it's 100% this. They don't fcking trust white people to ever do the right thing if it's not in their immediate self-interest. And while I still don't agree with their first choices, I can't say I fully blame them anymore.

Pooh · Feb 12, 2020

Sho_Nuff82 said:
That Trump and Bloomberg have traction with like 60% of the electorate despite their colorful histories with minorities, and every single candidate of color is toast except Tulsi mother-uffin Gabbard, speaks volumes about where this country is right now.

Ya'll ask why so many black people trust Biden? Maybe it's because they don't trust white America to do the right thing if Bernie or Warren is the nominee, and they don't trust people like Bloomberg (and Buttigieg tbh) to even try to make significant changes if they win. Black America didn't even trust Obama as the nom until portions of white America came around. We exist in a constant state of uncertainty whether candidates that speak to us are "presentable" to swing states, while people like Trump and Bloomberg have no such stigma.

What do you think is the reason a higher percentage of black democrats think Bloomberg has the best policies than white democrats? The percentages of black and white voters supporting Bernie is about the same, and black voters don't seem to believe in Warren all that much (certainly less than Bloomberg).

Leaked Audio of Mike Bloomberg explaing his racist stop and frisk policy “you can just Xerox description's of male, minorities 16-25 to police"

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