[Leak] New TLOUS Part 1 Remake Images and Clips are floating around

[Joo]

I just feel like there isn't this much charitability about EA, Ubisoft, or Activision whenever they do similar stuff.

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I don't know about that, but there's probably some truth to it. My opinion is just that pre-ordering any single game in this day and age is always risky and I'd never do it, but it's also very, very easy to cancel it and wait for impressions. If you don't and you end up with a game you didn't want, you can only blame yourself.

What comes to Part 1 remake, I expected way more and it's a fact that it's not going to have "Part II gameplay" like many seemed to imply, but I also want to wait for ND to actually show the game themselves. That will 100% happen in the coming weeks.

As a big fan of Tlou it's a must buy for me either way at some point, but I can't say I'm not disappointed in a major way. It would've been so amazing if we would've had a remake with Part II gameplay as it's just so good, and that's what I thought we'd get.

 

[Iwao]

Is motion matching even confirmed for part 1?

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There are things that have been confirmed by ND for the game that people are doubting based on this leak. Still, I would file motion matching under "new animation systems" that were talked about because it just seems like a common sense feature and a "quick win" to make the game feel more responsive and modern to play, and would be a priority and a shoo in for a studio that prides itself on its industry-leading animation.

 

[Deleted member 22750]

It's disturbing how many people just watch that scene willy nilly, I'm good

Haha, this was like ND's side COVID project during pandemic transitions while they maintain their other projects. And FF7R was like a multiyear company wide endeavor. I get $70 is too much, but yall gotta take it down a couple levels here.

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70 too much was already a decent complaint

Now with this info 70 is absurd

 

[Nameless]

I'll still pick this up on sale eventually, but no TLOU2 gameplay/A.I./expanded exploration means I'm no longer hyped enough for Day 1. Bummer.

 

[Stowaway Silfer]

Hip hip hooray devs not supporting their games on newer platforms, good job Fromsoftware haha

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What a weird post. I assume you don't know FromSoft doesn't own Demon's Souls cause otherwise I don't know why you'd have them catch a stray in here. Maybe take it down a couple levels.

 

[Kimaris]

Why are people bringing up Demon's Souls? The difference should be obvious.

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Those people aren't using an ounce of critical thinking. Not even worth engaging.

 

[Altezein]

This is so disappointing, especially considering this is probably my favourite game series.

How hard would it have been to slightly amend encounter design and incorporate the gameplay changes that made TLOU2 so immense?

And the marketing…

Seemingly a lazy effort.

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My worry is that all it is graphical changes and no gameplay changes [in terms of feel and/or mechanics]. The fact we didn't see this back in June and we had to see it through leaks is kinda strange. Especially for a game that was 3 months away

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This is more current Sony marketing strategy than a TLOU thing. God of war is also close to release and they announced the date with no new gameplay.

New trailers will probably be closer to release I guess?

 

[danhz]

Dunno about that leak, if it's indeed >70% similar to what it's going to be day1 it's a REALLY hard pass until it's nearly free

 

[Deleted member 93062]

This is more current Sony marketing strategy than a TLOU thing. God of war is also close to release and they announced the date with no new gameplay.

New trailers will probably be closer to release I guess?

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They have shown gameplay of God of War though.

You can get quite literally jumped on that thread if you dare to express your opinion about the direction of PlayStation

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😅

 

[Androidsleeps]

It was blatantly obvious from the moment this cashgrab was "revealed" that'll absolutely not be something like Resi 2 remake, particularly cause that kind of treatment wouldn't make sense for a game this recent to begin with. It's a Bluepoint style remake remaster and they'll sell it on the graphics alone. And yes, it is a cashgrab.

 

[Bobbyleejones]

This is more current Sony marketing strategy than a TLOU thing. God of war is also close to release and they announced the date with no new gameplay.

New trailers will probably be closer to release I guess?

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For new games yes. For a remake , it just raises red flags. Especially one of the taglines was about gameplay [ now are the new accessibility options considered over gameplay. If they are then I guess their tagline is correct ]

 

[Deleted member 2595]

New Images have leaked:

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This looks fucking brilliant.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

It was blatantly obvious from the moment this cashgrab was "revealed" that'll absolutely not be something like Resi 2 remake, particularly cause that kind of treatment wouldn't make sense for a game this recent to begin with. It's a Bluepoint style remake remaster and they'll sell it on the graphics alone. And yes, it is a cashgrab.

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I think it's a project to get familiar with the PS5.

 

[Sparks]

What a weird post. I assume you don't know FromSoft doesn't own Demon's Souls cause otherwise I don't know why you'd have them catch a stray in here. Maybe take it down a couple levels.

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I'm fine? And exactly, it's irrelevant. I never was the one to bring that up haha

 

[Apath]

Hopefully this leads to cancelled Firefly Edition pre-orders so I can snag one.

 

[Deleted member 49482]

I say good for Sony charging $70 if they feel the scope of development work and the demand can support that. Don't get me wrong, I won't be buying it day 1 any longer without more substantial changes over the PS4 Remaster, but I'll eventually get it on sale to replace/upgrade that prior version in my game library.

What I will rake Sony over the coals for is their scummy marketing tactics: opening preorders without showing gameplay and implying there are going to be more significant gameplay improvements than there apparently are. Sony knew exactly what they were doing with this approach. I hope anyone who feels like they are no longer getting their money's worth cancels their preorder.

 

[Kyuuji]

Arise now, ye gamers.

Hopefully this leads to cancelled Firefly Edition pre-orders so I can snag one.

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I'm still bitter it's a US only edition.

 

[mullah88]

Buying and playing day 1 but Sony should not have priced this at $70.00. New images and gameplay lips look good tho

 

[JaseMath]

This is so disappointing, especially considering this is probably my favourite game series.

How hard would it have been to slightly amend encounter design and incorporate the gameplay changes that made TLOU2 so immense?

And the marketing…

Seemingly a lazy effort.

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JFC dude the entire visual look was revamped. What's lazy about this?

 

[ToddBonzalez]

I say good for Sony charging $70 if they feel the scope of development work and the demand can support that. Don't get me wrong, I won't be buying it day 1 any longer without more substantial changes over the PS4 Remaster, but I'll eventually get it on sale to replace/upgrade that prior version in my game library.

What I will rake Sony over the coals for is their scummy marketing tactics: opening preorders without showing gameplay and implying there are going to be more significant gameplay improvements than there apparently are. Sony knew exactly what they were doing with this approach. I hope anyone who feels like they are no longer getting their money's worth cancels their preorder.

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I mean, nobody's forcing anyone to preorder. Don't preorder sight unseen if not being able to see gameplay gives you pause. Seems to be a case of- "Sony makes vague statement about gameplay updates without confirming or denying anything specific, gamers create the mental picture of the game that they want, then get mad when the actual game doesn't match their mental picture."

 

[Deleted member 49482]

I mean, nobody's forcing anyone to preorder. Don't preorder sight unseen if not being able to see gameplay gives you pause. Seems to be a case of- "Sony makes vague statement about gameplay updates without confirming or denying anything specific, gamers create the mental picture of the game that they want, then get mad when the actual game doesn't match their mental picture."

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I agree, but that's no excuse for Sony's marketing tactics, especially when there are collector's edition where you have to make the decision to preorder without full gameplay details or risk not getting the edition because it sold out.

I never preorder any games and I would generally advise anyone else to do the same, but let's not act like Sony's marketing copy and silence as to feature changes aren't meant to benefit only them and sell preorders. This game has gone gold already; there's little reason why they shouldn't be giving more transparency. That's why I say I hope anyone who isn't happy will simply cancel their order.

I'll wait until we get more first-hand details before fully judging, but based on what we've seen with that leaks, this tries to paint a picture that appears much different from what we're getting:
"Enjoy a total overhaul of the original experience, faithfully reproduced but incorporating modernized gameplay, improved controls and expanded accessibility options. Plus, feel immersed with improved effects and enhanced exploration and combat."

Very curious to see what Sony's definition is of "modernized gameplay" and "enhanced exploration and combat."

 

[Rurunaki]

At this point, this "remake" is to justify bringing it to PC.

 

[BrickArts295]

Hopefully this leads to cancelled Firefly Edition pre-orders so I can snag one.

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Lol I'm with you on this but I assume anyone willing to buy it at that price is not gonna let go despite all of this.

 

[Donepalace]

Its been a long time since I played TLoU1, but I don't think incorporating Part 2's gameplay mechanics in with Part 1's levels would really break the gameplay. Wouldn't just enhancing enemy AI resolve that issue? Even if there are some levels that would break trivialize the gameplay, why not just scale those back to accommodate? I don't think crawling or dodging would necessarily unbalance the game if the AI was updated from TLoU2.

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Aha but that's probably the part that would make this not an easy port anymore spending more money on actual game development.. Seems to me they reskinned the game with LOU2 engine and called it a day from what I can make out it's cheap easy to produce and slap the 80 dollar price tag for the easy pickings who want it day 1 then throw on PSPLUS essential after like 4 weeks or so as a marketing tool

 

[SoloTerran]

So did Naughty Dog lie to us? I thought they said it would have new gameplay.

 

[BoxManLocke]

Aha but that's probably the part that would make this not an easy port anymore spending more money on actual game development.. Seems to me they reskinned the game with LOU2 engine and called it a day from what I can make out it's cheap easy to produce and slap the 80 dollar price tag for the easy pickings who want it day 1 then throw on PSPLUS essential after like 4 weeks or so as a marketing tool

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lmao

I'm just waiting for the post that will call it a simple patch or a simple re-edition, come on people I'm sure you can do it

 

[Shoichi]

So did Naughty Dog lie to us? I thought they said it would have new gameplay.

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"New gameplay" can really mean a bunch of different things. Even just adding gyro aiming and some DualSense features to controls would count if thats was all there was that ND added.

 

[ToddBonzalez]

So did Naughty Dog lie to us? I thought they said it would have new gameplay.

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I'm sure they didn't lie. It has motion matching and probably some other tweaks (maybe some polish to how the game feels on the sticks, maybe some AI changes, maybe accessibility features, etc.). Alot of people expected the game to have TLOU2 mechanics and significantly altered encounter design, but nobody ever promised those things. People just assumed it with no evidence.

 

[Donepalace]

lmao

I'm just waiting for the post that will call it a simple patch or a simple re-edition, come on people I'm sure you can do it

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It is what it is the entire game reskinned with the LOU2s Engine assets with some buildings getting redone and adding extra bits here there to the environment which is nice but it's an easier thing to incorporate than brand new combat and AI from LOU2 which is the more challenging aspect of video game design no? And I'd argue given the way this thread has turned is something more people would have liked

 

[Iwao]

So did Naughty Dog lie to us? I thought they said it would have new gameplay.

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It's all assumption at this stage based on a QA build of the game that wasn't authorised for public viewing, but I'm gonna go with probably not given the specifics they went into when it was announced. It would have been stupid for a VP of a studio to say these things knowing the repercussions it would have if untrue - and the game will sell tremendously regardless of whether they mentioned those things or not.

 

[Antony]

Pouring one out for those who bought the expensive edition.

 

[Gitaroo]

if the levels layout are still the same as the original, I dont know how they can implement crawling. Maybe dodging might work. Gunplay from TLOU2 is easily the best IMO so if that get carried over its already a huge upgrade. Just not as transformative as we had hoped.

 

[Lord Error]

As much as I freaking love TLOU, it really kind of isn't fair that they are asking more money for the remake than what the first game, and the second game were sold for initially. The amount of effort to create those whole games from scratch had to have been so much more than it was to create the remake. Yes, the remake seems to have all new assets, but even there it is most likely reusing at least some TLOU2 assets.

Anyway, one thing I'm hoping from the remake is that it will use the same quality of everything between cutscenes and gameplay. Maybe we'll get something that looks exactly as good as the TLOU2 gameplay reveal playthrough, or even better than that. Actual TLOU2 had somewhat downgraded gameplay shaders/materials compared to that reveal.

 

[arsene_P5]

There are things that have been confirmed by ND for the game that people are doubting based on this leak. Still, I would file motion matching under "new animation systems" that were talked about because it just seems like a common sense feature and a "quick win" to make the game feel more responsive and modern to play, and would be a priority and a shoo in for a studio that prides itself on its industry-leading animation.

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Well motion matching would make sense, but there is no guarantee part 1 uses that technique. As you said the studio prides itself on it's industry-leading animation. However the studio also prides itself on pushing consoles to the limit and TLOU part 1 clearly doesn't do that with the PS5. After all ND said this themselves about Part 1 bar. The bar is TLOU2. A PS5 can do much more than the PS4 imo and games already showed that. I am certain Factions and future ND projects will show that, too.


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I'm sure they didn't lie. It has motion matching and probably some other tweaks (maybe some polish to how the game feels on the sticks, maybe some AI changes, maybe accessibility features, etc.). Alot of people expected the game to have TLOU2 mechanics and significantly altered encounter design, but nobody ever promised those things. People just assumed it with no evidence.

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No offense but you are doing that, too.

 

[Ovvv]

As long as the Remaster remains available I don't get how upset people are lol. If you want the prettiest possible version of the game, get the Remake. If you want a prettier version of the original at a much more manageable price, get the Remaster.

 

[Fancy Clown]

It looks like it has motion matching alright…they clearly matched the motions of the original PS3 game heyooo (plz be an early build)

 

[ToddBonzalez]

Well motion matching would make sense, but there is no guarantee part 1 uses that technique. As you said the studio prides itself on it's industry-leading animation. However the studio also prides itself on pushing consoles to the limit and TLOU part 1 clearly doesn't do that with the PS5. After all ND said this themselves about Part 1 bar. The bar is TLOU2. A PS5 can do much more than the PS4 imo and games already showed that. I am certain Factions and future ND projects will show that, too.


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No offense but you are doing that, too.

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That's why I said maybe and probably. I stated that I believe they didn't outright lie. Assuming they didn't just straight up, knowingly deceive consumers, there are probably some subtle enhancements that were not apparent in the short clips that leaked. It's just not the massive overhaul people wanted.

 

[samcastor]

As long as the Remaster remains available I don't get how upset people are lol. If you want the prettiest possible version of the game, get the Remake. If you want a prettier version of the original at a much more manageable price, get the Remaster.

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I am upset because these last few years of dev time for a studio that produces 1/2 games per generation could have been utilized better on new projects rather than remaking a game that can be played on modern consoles and holds up fairly well too.

 

[Ovvv]

I am upset because these last few years of dev time for a studio that produces 1/2 games per generation could have been utilized better on new projects rather than remaking a game that can be played on modern consoles and holds up fairly well too.

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You should read about how this project came to be, then you'd realize that that is completely unrelated to this project and that the team had nothing to do while Neil's next thing is in pre-prod.

Total non-issue as far as that is concerned.

 

[CurseVox]

I'm confident ND will come through with this one and a lot of people will be eating their words.

 

[psynergyadept]

Hopefully this leads to cancelled Firefly Edition pre-orders so I can snag one.

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LMAO! RIGHT!?!?!? Ya boy still holding out hope too!

 

[UglySofaGaming]

I'm confident ND will come through with this one and a lot of people will be eating their words.

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I love the optimism and I'd love to be wrong. What are you thinking yourself? Old build, improvements not obvious from the leaked footage, or graphics and other additions enough to make this worthwhile?

 

[Biosnake]

How long you think till this is on PS+?

edit: i mean the extra/premium catalog gamepass competitor thing

 

[Templeusox]

How long you think till this is on PS+?

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1.5 years

 

[amara]

I hope the pc version comes out asap. Then they can finally move onto porting the sequel. TLOU2 is probably the pc port I'm most excited for

 

[franloradr]

charging 80€ is the major problem. I always remember take2 charging 40€ for Mafia 1 DE, and that game was a full remake

they went nut in somehow, probably because the bad reception mafia 3 had so they were asuming the risk with the price of the remake

 

[ket]

I am upset because these last few years of dev time for a studio that produces 1/2 games per generation could have been utilized better on new projects rather than remaking a game that can be played on modern consoles and holds up fairly well too.

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the remake's official announcement included another announcement for a new IP

 

[BoxManLocke]

It is what it is the entire game reskinned with the LOU2s Engine assets with some buildings getting redone and adding extra bits here there to the environment which is nice but it's an easier thing to incorporate than brand new combat and AI from LOU2 which is the more challenging aspect of video game design no? And I'd argue given the way this thread has turned is something more people would have liked

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Everybody even basic fanboys like myself would have preferred to see Part 2's combat incorporated especially considering the price tag, and that's a fine thing to discuss.

I just think downplaying the amount of work it took to make what we're seeing is insulting. Accounting for pre-production this was in development for 3 years, it's not a "reskin" or a "port", tons of people busted their asses on this (thankfully without crunch) and their work isn't inferior because the level design wasn't changed or whatever. The screenshots especially 100% showcase the massive enhancements.

 

[BeEatNU]

as someone who works in the industry, this thread makes me very sad lol.

 

[Dice]

as someone who works in the industry, this thread makes me very sad lol.

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I just think downplaying the amount of work it took to make what we're seeing is insulting.

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For real. >_>