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Lana Del Rey hits back at critics who say she "glamorizes abuse" by dismissing other artists, mostly WOC
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she could have maybe made the point without the namedrops, but there's nothing terrible about her doing so.
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It's the same as Roman. You can critique the misogyny without naming all POC's to do it.
Lana Del Rey slammed over her assessment of Beyoncé, Nicki Minaj, Ariana Grande
"Lana's post would have been fine if she hadn't compared herself to a group of mostly black women," writer and activist Shon Faye tweeted.
www.nbcnews.com
Then the point wouldn't make sense? Are you seriously suggesting that a white person isn't allowed to invoke the name of a POC to make a point, even when not being critical of them? What is this nonsense.
Really?
When your point ignores the actual dbl standards those black artists face? Yes. Make your point. There was absolutely no reason to mention them other than to play yourself up. The first paragraph in that rant is totally unnecessary.
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While I wouldn't say she attacked them, it does seem odd that she specifically called out mostly women of colour.
That coupled with the fact that her last album was nominated for AOTY, was critically acclaimed, and considered one of the best of year, makes her going "can I stop being attacked 😖" feel kinda....odd.
Also Kehlani is getting #1 hits? Where?
That coupled with the fact that her last album was nominated for AOTY, was critically acclaimed, and considered one of the best of year, makes her going "can I stop being attacked 😖" feel kinda....odd.
Also Kehlani is getting #1 hits? Where?
I like the minor derail over the thread title because the OP didn't say "a whole bunch of POCs, and also Ariana Grande"
wasn't her point, that women of color have been signing about the same topics, and are not as criticized as her for singing about it.
i guess it could be view as "another white people complaining about not being able to do what a POC can do"
but she has a point, no?, in those kind of topics, i dont think the color of your skin matters that much?
i guess it could be view as "another white people complaining about not being able to do what a POC can do"
but she has a point, no?, in those kind of topics, i dont think the color of your skin matters that much?
This is it.
Everything she's complaining about majority of women have gone through, so she's not an exception. And her acting as if she's some martyr/pioneer for the subject matter in her songs, as if people haven't been singing about the same things for decades. :/
And right. Kehlani doesn't even have a Top 10, so that was really random and telling.
i think the "i'm not a feminist, but..." used to be kind of a meme in of itself.
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Thank you.
She's not the first up misogynistic mountain, EVEN FOR A WHITE WOMAN. There's a shitload of white female country singers who've gotten shit over the years for similar topics.
And it's telling she thinks they had it easier. Like people weren't trying to get the FCC on Beyonce for her superbowl performance for being to riske.
It's peak white feminism
But they are as criticized. Probably way more than her. Are people in this thread serious at this point? Minaj isn't criticized about her music and image? Lol my god.
This, in typical tone deaf fashion. It's "Can't spell crap without rap" arguement
well im just trying to understand what she meant, if the rest of the people has been attacked also, her point is moot.
Seems like she very purposefully picked out a bunch of POC singers (and Ariana though she probbaly lumps her in that as well) and accused their songs of being about trashy things while hers aren't.
Which by the way, most of their songs aren't like that.
Its not explicitly racist but it is quite heavily infering that her songs are better than all the black artists songs.
Which by the way, most of their songs aren't like that.
Its not explicitly racist but it is quite heavily infering that her songs are better than all the black artists songs.
I think there's a place to discuss the cultural confluence is she is brings up in the entire post, but that certainly shouldn't be done here and only within the most intimately situation with all hearts open, and even then i'd be nothing but eyerolls. What is really sad is that a successful public figure feels she can air her pout online like she herself hasn't been lifted by the same waves, hell, the very people she points to.
i think it's easy to read like, "i'm don't fully believe in the values of feminism but i wish that vocal feminists would defend me."
So the fact that she framed the named artists, whom all but two are black/brown, in relation to her white woman victim hood is just something y'all can't see?
The fact that she's ignoring decades of what black & brown artists have been singing about?
The fact that she so desperately wanna hide behind her white woman status to spout this bs?
And can we all stop with the shit where she gets to label herself as the lil indie artist? She got a bitch load of money to force her way in.
Oh And Fuck that title edit
The fact that she's ignoring decades of what black & brown artists have been singing about?
The fact that she so desperately wanna hide behind her white woman status to spout this bs?
And can we all stop with the shit where she gets to label herself as the lil indie artist? She got a bitch load of money to force her way in.
Oh And Fuck that title edit
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Learn how to fucking read, OP.
Also there's nothing wrong or inaccurate in her statement.
Also there's nothing wrong or inaccurate in her statement.
Thank you!
And the fact that people aren't seeing that is very... predictable, but whatever.
Like even if she took the black women out of the equation, her point still isn't that valid. If tons of white women also are criticized (arguably less than you are), you have to be delusional to include black women in your crusade for saying they're 'praised' for it now.
Is she implying that she is being persecuted for being a white woman singing about sex or something. I don't listen to her music but I see lots of threads about her here so I figure she may some type of pop artist. Maybe when she sings about those things it doesn't come off as authentic so she gets criticized. But I know all the women that she name dropped get criticized routinely for their content and the sexuality. It just so happens that their records still do well not their fault.
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In the rockist kind of sense.
See, we don't make stupid pop songs with the weeknd about getting fucked. We use guitars or we talk about materialism in music, so as a result we can look down.
Lana is privileged as fuck, but the 'bad feminst' critique the article pointed out by her peers seems more about they view her topics as frivelous and not as important then there's where there's been a long going argument that for marginalized folks the ability to be as negative as their non marginalized peers but equally accepted = some steps forward (IE, anti-hero male is cool, anti-hero female is a bitch)
Stand your ground against the dogpiling OP, I can totally see how some would take her quotes that way.It's the same as Roman. You can critique the misogyny without naming all POC's to do it.
Lana Del Rey slammed over her assessment of Beyoncé, Nicki Minaj, Ariana Grande
"Lana's post would have been fine if she hadn't compared herself to a group of mostly black women," writer and activist Shon Faye tweeted.
I can't tell you how much racist and lude shit I've heard about some of the artists she felt the need to name drop.
I see where she is coming from but it's really odd to me she felt the need to name drop those artists...
I'm pretty sure nowhere in that post does she imply the people she named had it easier. it comes off more as she's proud of their accomplishments and it makes her feel validated after years of unfair criticism (which was a thing).
Right. Beyonce, Nicki and Rihanna were regularly torn to shreds and slut shamed not only by critics, but other artists as well.
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Of course, but when its all POC's and the one white person most people think is a POC herself because of her latin sounding name and heavy tan,, it looks suspects.
There's dozens of white pop female singers she could have named, and she didn't name one.
Nah, that's still an issue, to me at least, because she's very clear in her stance that she 'paved the way' for that, and that's just not the case. I'm not saying Lana hasn't been subject to unfair criticism, but every single person she listed, has, and still are to this day.
i think it's pretty easy to read it as "i'm not a feminist but vocal feminists better defend me!". i don't think it's a malicious statement, of course, just kind of awkwardly phrased.
fwiw, i don't think she is criticizing the mentioned artists at all-- in fact she has collabed with some of them.
NFR was my #1 record last year :P no agenda here
"Now that Doja Cat, Ariana, Camila, Cardi B, Kehlani and Nicki Minaj and Beyoncé have had number ones with songs about being sexy, wearing no clothes, fucking, cheating etc – can I please go back to singing about being embodied, feeling beautiful by being in love even if the relationship is not perfect, or dancing for money – or whatever I want – without being crucified or saying that I'm glamorising abuse??????"
You trying to sit here and tell me she's not shitting on them with that quote? You may agree with her, but come the fuck on lmao
The things is all of the things she mentions have been critiqued in the music of the women she lists and hundreds in the past. It's just some long rant to promote some books no one will care about and an album that'll probably do well later this year.
But, she's been suspect from the start when she made a song about being into Harvey Weinstein and then not saying shit when all of his open secrets just became open.
how does it come off that way when she in no way mentions their accomplishments and instead turns herself into the victim? All of those artists got shit too and more.