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Lack of widescreen on some updated Xbox BC games is an ugly blemish
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It's not frustum culling exactly that causes issues in this case. They wouldn't be able to do widescreen at all if they didn't have control over culling. The reason for the 4:3 cutscenes is more likely because of issues like characters standing motionless outside of frame until they're intended to be seen. Basically, it's a good idea to respect the original cinematography unless you're willing to go through every cutscene and modify them on a case-by-case basis to fix weird stuff.
IIRC it usually isn't adding actual pixels to the horizontal that way, either, it takes some away from what would otherwise be the native resolution (say, 640x480) and you end up with some garish 640x360 instead (not native res, but visible, due to scaling the image). Sometimes you can get both 480p and 16:9, but it's usually more like 720x480.The Original XDK did have an option to set resolution and if it was 4:3 or 16:9, they are using the resolution option but not the 4:3 or 16:9 because it can stretch out UI elements pretty badly
you could always duct tape the bottom and top part of your screens lmao
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Look up the Dolphin wiki of literally any big GameCube release that doesn't natively support 16:9. You'll find a cheat code that's only a few lines long and, when enabled, enables widescreen support on the game without any graphical glitches. Examples on the top of my head: Twilight Princess (GC version), Mario Sunshine, Wind Waker, Bomberman Generation, Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes, Shadow The Hedgehog, Sonic Adventure 2... the list goes on and on. Again: A patch a few lines long made by random users by reverse engineering that works virtually flawlessly
Enabling widescreen in a game is pretty trivial. If it introduces minor issues in some cutscenes (for example: a character is supposed to walk out of the screen but now the screen is more wide), all you need to do is to make these cutscenes 4:3 or just put the 16:9 mode as an option with a warning. The end.
Widescreen hacks are a nice thing to have in fan-made emulators but you can't simply put them on commercial releases and call it a day. These games are sold and a certain amount of support is expected. They're not going to add anything that can cause additional trouble.
Guide button -> Xbox One X settings -> Enable Widescreen
Warning: This setting may introduce minor graphical issues in some cutscenes.
I don't see the problem.
I mean, they did release the Xbox BC in 360 as a barely working piece of shit and people accepted that it was better than nothing (because, yes, it was). I don't think anyone would be annoyed about the fantastic Xbox BC in Xbox One to have an optional opt-in widescreen setting that *may* introduce minor graphical glitches
I only watch post-widescreen simpsons episodes because form > function
That would be an interesting choice when the the bars are on the sidesyou could always duct tape the bottom and top part of your screens lmao
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that cinematic feelyou could always duct tape the bottom and top part of your screens lmao
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Lets not get nerdy here the two of you lol. Why would I jump ship when I expressed what I wanted to and people have either agreed or disagreed? This is not something I want to go back and forth on with the people who are defending it. I just want MS to find a way to add widescreen to games running on their emulator.
I would have paid double ($20) for a version of Conker that was a port and had widescreen, Xbox Play anywhere, achievements, and working online modes
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Proper widescreen would be nice but would be difficult to implement in a reasonable way, emulator forced widescreen often looks kind of bad.
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Working online........you do realize that original live is dead. Adding online would be a herculean effort, not worth the extra $10 you are willing to drop.
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So doubling the price of the game wouldn't suffice? Unless you absolutely believe that I am the only living person willing to drop those "extra $10".....
What you want is a full-on remaster, not backwards compatibility.
It's weird that Conker doesn't have widescreen support. I'm pretty sure some of Rare's N64 games had a widescreen mode.
Ugly blemish, you say? I'm not surprised this kind of sentiment is still common even to this day. Hell, I've seen some people even in this day and age pooh-pooh letterboxed home video releases of movies filmed with a 2.40 aspect ratio, and I thought we were all past getting over that at least 10 years ago.
Heck, even on my LCD TCL P605 with local dimming the black bars just look like that area of the screen is off. On a nice TV you don't even notice.
Stretching 4:3 to 16:9 is a horrible idea, besides it would involve a hack of the game itself to do it half right and they do not touch code.
You can always zoom on your TV... *shudders :-)
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Funny this pops up. I'd been playing my OG PS2 a bit lately and I was so frustrated that my tv won't display it in its expected format and wants to stretch the image to 16:9 that I decided to give up playing PS2 games for now. Stretching images is not allowed in my house lol, I give my wife shit all the time.
4:3 is beautiful, no problem for me. I play 4:3 stuff all the time (like the Super NT playing SNES games) on my 65" OLED. In a dark room you won't even notice. You're getting the games as they were originally designed.
They dont touch the code of the game and if they did, it would potentially break a million things. The whole point as to why theyre doing this is cause they dont have to touch the game code and thus, dont need anyone's permission to do it.
If they started changing the code, theyd need to get all those publishers permission to even do it. Some of them might even say no cause theyd wanna sell you remasters instead.
If they change nothing, they can do whatever they want.
If they started changing the code, theyd need to get all those publishers permission to even do it. Some of them might even say no cause theyd wanna sell you remasters instead.
If they change nothing, they can do whatever they want.
It would take the devs of the original game to add a widescreen mode. I say this because in emulated games, the FOV changes can cause clipping at the sides, the UI doesn't match and some 2D sprites don't play well with the mode, so all things need to be considered when adding one.
Is this a serious post?
You want a remaster
This is not a remaster. Its backward compatibility. You're getting ton of benefits as extra, not as obligation because they're trying to sell it to you again. You're still buying an OG Xbox game in the end.
Actually you want more than a remaster since you want play anywhere to stuff that never had a pc version. Its very unreasonable.
While I generally agree with you, some of it depends on the size of your TV. Despite how maligned pan-and-scan was, I think it was basically essential given the tiny size of many/most televisions at the time.
(Not that I think this applies in the OP's case)
So would everyone else, but that's not what backwards compatibility was ever meant to do.
You want a remaster and that's fine.
Unless you actually wanted stretching (that's mad gross).
Just a friendly reminder that 16:9 and even wider ratios were popularized not because they were good, but because theatre companies wanted a way to fight back against television. Many famous directors were forced to shoot their films in widescreen against their wishes, and they hated how much it messed with composition. It's really hard to frame shots in widescreen, and you can't do a lot of stuff you could do in 4:3. Black bars are fine. 4:3 is fine. Stretching is not fine. If the game supported widescreen as many did, great. But stuff like fixing cutscenes so stuff isn't glitching out of frame is not trivial.
The N64 didn't even have component output. It did not support widescreen, outside of game occasionally adding black bars themselves to the top and bottom of the picture for effect.
In other words, this is just not true.
Personally, on a screen that size I would have preferred cropped content to black bars, in most cases. Whereas on the projector I have now, I couldn't care less if something is letterboxed.
I would like the option to enable it. Obviously we're not talking about stretching the image. A few people here are making assumptions without any factual information.
This is Super Mario 64 in 16:9. Unfortunately this causes slowdown on consoles but runs fine in an emulator.
And this is Super Mario Sunshine running on my console. The GameCube actually runs it fine in 16:9.
GameShark on N64 and Swiss on GCN made this happen. It should be possible via Xbox One X emulation.
This is Super Mario 64 in 16:9. Unfortunately this causes slowdown on consoles but runs fine in an emulator.
And this is Super Mario Sunshine running on my console. The GameCube actually runs it fine in 16:9.
GameShark on N64 and Swiss on GCN made this happen. It should be possible via Xbox One X emulation.
This is like the people who need classic shows like tng to be in 16x9 because it's not using their entire screen
It was designed for 4:3...it should stay that way
It was designed for 4:3...it should stay that way
Smelly cheese cat is the best way to visually convey utter disgust. ;)