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Kyoto Animation (A Silent Voice, Haruhi, Free, Clannad) on fire in premeditated arson attack. Update: Death toll reaches 36 (see staff post)
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I can't believe just how awful this ended up. Went to bed hoping for the best and wasn't prepared at all for this. Such a grisly and senseless act of violence.
My heart goes out to everyone involved and their loved ones. I can't even begin to imagine the pain this has caused countless people.
My heart goes out to everyone involved and their loved ones. I can't even begin to imagine the pain this has caused countless people.
Is that official? I have yet to see a building in Japan without those. My apartment is 20+ years old and it has those in every room. Even crappy office buildings I've been to all had those. Hard to believe they didn't have them.
Also, most buildings in Japan have emergency stairs but they are inside (covered in a way that they can't burn), so if the first floor exits were all burning (which they were, with gasoline), hard to get out anyway.
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Murdered 33 people because he felt "ripped off", this piece of shit should be hanged on the spot or better yet set him on fire
For safety issues in general, not really. Remember this place gets hit by quakes all the time, plus population density is massive so any fire or destruction is bound to hit A LOT of people in general. It might have been for this building, but I don't think it's a general thing.
Excuse me?
Are you seriously saying that the shocking lack of fire safety procedures didn't lead to massive unesscessary loss of life.
They is no way that a single arsonist should of been able to kill 33 people and injure another 36.
The menas to trap people should never have been possible.
I mean dude is pretty much a dead man walking at this point, it's really only a matter of time. That said, it's not like him dying brings anyone back
You suggested these 33 deaths weren't really the fault of the arsonist
That's the worst way to get your message across dude. Only one person in this equation *decided* to kill people.
And you're saying this while facts are in dispute. With assumptions.
I can't imagine the fire codes being lax in Japan... Earthquakes and fire go hand in hand and Japan has higher standards than anywhere else on Earth in earthquake preparedness.
Yeah, that's true. But, from my own personal experience, I remember being in hotels, shopping arcades, restaurants, etc. that would have the hammer brought down in America for code ordinances. Laxing on some codes does have benefits (look at pretty much every tiny-ass ramen restaurant that would in no way be legally allowed to operate in America-- for example).
I mean the Arsonist is definitely the most directly at fault and is going to get the death penalty, but that doesn't mean no other negligence occured that made the situation worse and should be punished with regards to the building design. That said it seems the building is pretty old and might have been built under more lax laws
Yeah and there's a bloody way to say that without absolving the bloody arsonist.
I said that those 33 deaths might of been preventable. Whether the fire was man made or not.
The whole point of fire safty regulations is to prevent or minimise loss of life in these situations.
Of course the guy is to blame for starting the fire. But he should never of been able to easily kill 33 people!
They should definitely hold accountable the people who didn't give a fuck about fire safety protocols too.
You said you felt the arsonist was less responsible than the safety protocols, despite the fact that the arsonist was 100% the cause of the fire.
I'm not going to argue with you. You are twisting what I said.
He was 100% the cause of the fire but NOT 100% of the cause of the 33 people dying.
I'm saying those deaths might of been preventable.
To hell with it, I know what I mean.
I can't even wrap my head around this. My heart goes out to all the people affected and their families. I can't even believe someone would do this.
Also RIP to all the art that was lost.
Also RIP to all the art that was lost.
well if you look around the building. there is no fire escape leader. so if the first floor is burned then very hard to go out. you have to go to upstair but report say that roof access could be locked since many victim found on the stair to the roof
Obviously, Arsonist will be the one responsible for this accident. but a huge death toll could be prevented by better fire safety regulation
Didn't see their original post, yeah that's a pretty bad way to say that. Sorry
Fire escape ladders on the exterior are NOT a thing in Japan nor in many other countries (including many in Europe). They are interior.
Not every country has the same rules, and the interior stairs are also protected so they can't burn.
This is heartbreaking. My thoughts go out to the victims and their families. Such pointless loss.
I leave for a while then return to see that there is 33 innocent people dead now. May they rest in peace.
That piece of shit who did this tragedy... I don't even know how to deal with this. Fuck.
That piece of shit who did this tragedy... I don't even know how to deal with this. Fuck.
It's not even a thing in a majority of buildings in America. Buildings have fire doors and protected stairwells.
I've been following this since the start of the morning and I could never imagine that the death toll would balloon to 33 by the end of the day.
Just checking the laws in Japan, apparently sprinklers are obligatory for almost any sort of building EXCEPT for a very small bracket -- offices or restaurant buildings less than 4 floors high and with each floor less than 6000 square meters if they have windows, or 1500 square meters without windows.
Almost anything else has to have sprinklers, apparently.
Link here https://www.gijutsushikaku-guide.net/sprinkler-institution but good luck if you don't understand Japanese.
Almost anything else has to have sprinklers, apparently.
Link here https://www.gijutsushikaku-guide.net/sprinkler-institution but good luck if you don't understand Japanese.
33 deaths is the worst homicide event in Japan history ever. The last time something this terrible happened it was a 30 death toll homicide in 1938.
This. At least in Spain we don't have exterior escape ladders or stairs. Everything is interior. Those interior stairs are sealed off with "fire-proof/resistant?) doors.
This only exists in office buildings or buildings with a lot of traffic. Residential buildings do not have exclusive fire escape stairs/ladders.
It is one of the safest countries in the world in terms of crime, which is why when something happens it always causes a big stir.
So I'm guessing this was an old building? I assume new office buildings have fire prevention built into them. Awful that it always takes a tragedy to get people to take fire safety seriously. Can only hope this forces the government to mandate new fire prevention methods for all buildings or at the very least for all office buildings.