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Kotaku UK: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's Persona 5 DLC Includes a Disability Slur [Update: Doesn't seem to]
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I disagree. Because now the onus is on some (at the moment) innocent Japanese singer to prove she did not say an alleged slur, which many people are definitively saying they hear. Probably due to her thick accent, which she might find incredibly embarrassing (and will, now that this article has been published).
And it all could have been avoided if this wasn't a race to be first.
I want my "two drunk people being idiots at a bar together" social link! The realest of all social links.
Same. I want to give the songwriter the benefit of the doubt, but it'd be nice if they could clarify.
Frankly, I find this information worth getting out sooner rather than later so that people who have a problem with it don't purchase the DLC.
She asked for comment, if she's wrong she can retract.
That and... surprised it took somebody that much time to go for that reach, I mean it's the same song as the one from 2017 (1:55):
so what gives? lol
Well, she seemed based on the article to check the actual lyrics for the track, which btw. don't have the spoken section at all on it. At least the booklet for the soundtrack doesn't have the spoken section of of Get Up, Wake Up, Get Out There at all. As people can see here:
If this is what passed for research in my high school journalism class, I'd have gotten plenty of Fs along with any deserved Ls.
Fortunately, I was in charge of horoscopes most of the time.
In today's lesson, we learn that misheard lyrics are....misheard lyrics?
I don't get the point of that article, it's not because you hear a slur that it's a slur. This is pure unadulterated clickbait.
I don't get the point of that article, it's not because you hear a slur that it's a slur. This is pure unadulterated clickbait.
Game's back in the news cause of Smash, so gotta get those clicks while they're hot!
Yeah honestly the weirdest takes in here would be the "Wow, absolute slander from Kotaku" in here since it's not like this is particularly character-defamatory and, honestly, isn't even up there for worst persona 5 moments either
It's amazing isn't it. Imagine kotaku without Schrier, would be fucked.
That's how you put out a whole bunch of wrong information and hopefully isn't how games journalism works...
When I read this I was thinking out loud "wait what System of a Down song was this again"
that's not how journalism works, you can't put out anything you want, with barely any research, and then wait for comments after you've done the damage. that's incredibly irresponsible and unprofessional.
That is the opposite of how any journalist with a shred of integrity should act. That's exactly how and why everyone steps over themselves to be first and spread nonsense; taking something down later for being wrong still spreads a wrong message that won't be corrected for a lot of readers who don't return to hear the update.
That's the thing.
It's not information.
It's an accusation based on something spoken by a non English speaker likely written by non English writers and not confirmed with anyone at all.
It should not have been posted in the first place.
It could go either way since the consonant there is so soft. It goes back and forth between a G and a D for me.
I find it's more important to be accurate than have things out sooner, but hey what do I know
My outrage is stoked in the fact that this is a poorly researched article making an inflammatory definitive accusation that also got published before any clarifications were received.
And that people will use it to further pounce on kotaku and "fake news" and the like.
This thread has now devolved into the ethics and process of games journalism.
I love it. You're all *checks notes* professionals.
I love it. You're all *checks notes* professionals.
Absolutely sounds like "retarded" to me but it could also be "retard it" as others have mentioned. The kind of thing that they should get clarification on before making an article imo.
It's gotten into discussing the basics of any form of journalism that even a non-professional knows. That's the whole point.
Ultimately this is my take. She was told by someone it says 'retarded.' We read the headline that told us the lyric was 'retarded' We hear some weird accent singing some sounds that vaguely sound like what we're expecting to hear and our brain fills in the rest.
When I listen to it without thinking of anything I can't really discern clearly what she is saying. I just hear gibberish.When I listen to it while thinking she says "retarded" that's what I hear. When I listen to that soundcloud without the background music I hear "retard it" (which is more to say I hear a pause between retard and the "it/ed" sound at the end; could still be 'retarded' just with an unusual accent creating the pause).
no need to be condescending, this is basic stuff everyone knows, no need to be "professional" to know this shit.
It is kind of a weird undercurrent here that even if this is a crappy article, we're sliding back from Persona 5's representation in another game being ableist to just Persona 5 itself being homophobic.
"Eh, are you sure we can say vaccines cause autism?"
"Yeah we can always redact it"
She didn't put out "anything," she published this story. If she's wrong, she'll be embarrassed and it will effect her credibility. If she's right (and I believe she is), she acted swiftly to inform potential buyers of what they would be supporting by purchasing the DLC.
I know which of those two options I value more.
There isn't much research to do. All you have to do is listen to the song.
Clearly the people in here quoting a tweet that says "I looked into it" and then assuming the level of research to be extremely shallow are people who can properly discuss the basics of journalism.
Which ironically is to not assume things.
"Put the information out there so those who feel strongly can avoid them, if we're wrong we'll just retract the article""Eh, are you sure we can say vaccines cause autism?"
"Yeah we can always redact it"
I really would like to hear Nintendo's response to this in any case. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if they edit out the section just because it's not clear what's actually being said and sounds too close to what's being reported to leave in without someone at Atlus being explicit to the contrary.
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