I here "retort it". It's impossible to be 100% sure either way due to accents and how people hear differently, which is why you wait for official word before putting out a piece on it.
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Kotaku UK: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate's Persona 5 DLC Includes a Disability Slur [Update: Doesn't seem to]
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I here "retort it". It's impossible to be 100% sure either way due to accents and how people hear differently, which is why you wait for official word before putting out a piece on it.
It's not generous, it's accurate. No one on Era knows what research went into it. Saying there was none done is not a provable statement of fact.
Why does someone thinking games journalism is 'a fucking joke' have to turn into politics? Why can't we just discuss the article on it's merits instead of saying polarizing shit like "let the right be dumb" and "reproduce right wing conservative discourse."
This entire thread was mostly free of any political talk until you started calling people cysts.
I don't think the debate here is whether saying 'retard' is acceptable (think it is pretty accepted that it is NOT), but whether it was said at all (which has nothing to do with political views and requires no political commentary).
The problem is if she's right. You don't make a definitive accusation this inflammatory without knowing you're right. If you're not sure, you either wait till you know you are, or make it clear upfront you're not sure.
Well thats fine, after all thats the same standard the article had for proof.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. WTF.
Because i criticised this indecent, and am contemptuous of games media as a whole. I'm a fucking bigot ? GTFO with that shit.
And the positive examples are still anecdotal, at best.
I'm sure the writer knew what she was doing when she published this filth. It's clickbait, pure and simple. I doubt that she cares if some people overreact and start harassing the songwriter or the singer. As long as she gets the clicks everything is fine. Or at least that's the impression I get, because why else she would not wait for a response before publishing? Oh, that's because there is a high chance that the response will make the whole article not worth publishing. Why publishing it own her own twitter? Well, as I said before: It is clickbait.
I'm honestly struggling to understand a majority of lyrics in the entire song unless I have the actual text next to me so I can make out the words. She has a very thick accent.
Situation reminds me of this Mario tennis aces commercial where the announcer clearly sounds like they are saying "Nintendo Switch, Mario Tennis ASS!"
If it was someone else that notified her, then her brain was already programmed to hear the word when she tried to find it.
Er, I'd tend to think that using this article to paint an image of all of gaming journalism as a joke goes a little bit beyond discussing the article on its own merits and a little closer towards "polarizing shit".
If she's wrong, you can talk about reactionary journalism.
This defensive reaction many seem to be adopting is premature and disconcerting.
When I listened to the OST I kept hearing that and it felt like a yikes but -shrug- it might not be on any official lyric sheet but even if Lyn improvised it...whatever.
Tbh seems like most people on the front page at least were more like "Lol kotaku" rather than "It does sound like that, but also Persona songs have crazy lyrics. Unless Atlus said something - which they won't because their games might be good but their communication is archaic - nothing is going to happen. It's still a grossly offensive word that shouldn't be used casually"....
Tbh seems like most people on the front page at least were more like "Lol kotaku" rather than "It does sound like that, but also Persona songs have crazy lyrics. Unless Atlus said something - which they won't because their games might be good but their communication is archaic - nothing is going to happen. It's still a grossly offensive word that shouldn't be used casually"....
Even then it's still reactionary since she even admitted she wasn't sure and claimed the article went up too early.
The onus is on the person who has made the claim to actually back said claim up. Not only does this article not do so, the writer herself is wishy washy in her own reporting in this instance and has admitted to the extent of her research, which is not much at all.
So no, my reaction is based on the kind of evidence that would have been appreciated in an article like this making an accusation like this.
Ok, in the interest of being as accurate as possible, I listened to the song from iTunes on a pair of Hifiman HE-400S with the best DAC and Amp I had in the house and nearly blew out my ears from turning the volume up, trying to hear the passage. Even with all of those measures taken, it sounded kinda like the word was said, but I still don't feel it was distinguishable enough to determine that its not just confirmation bias.
I agree that the context seems like a nod to the Black Eyed Peas song, but it still feels like a stretch. I've listened to this song dozens of times and this is probably the first where I thought that slur is what was said.
I agree that the context seems like a nod to the Black Eyed Peas song, but it still feels like a stretch. I've listened to this song dozens of times and this is probably the first where I thought that slur is what was said.
Thinking about it, wouldn't that article be libelous defamation? To claim something like this with certainty against Lyn and the companies which include her work is damaging to reputations.
If only the Persona games starred people old enough to drink. If only, Brazil.
This seems pretty clickbaity.
I mean sure it kinda does sound like she's saying that but there are plenty of words within that very song that sound off. Weird that it's not listed in official lyrics. I suppose it's worth investigating but this game is nearly 4 years old from its japanese release and I've never heard this take. Doing this right as joker released and implicating Nintendo is in poor taste for something as vague as this.
I mean sure it kinda does sound like she's saying that but there are plenty of words within that very song that sound off. Weird that it's not listed in official lyrics. I suppose it's worth investigating but this game is nearly 4 years old from its japanese release and I've never heard this take. Doing this right as joker released and implicating Nintendo is in poor taste for something as vague as this.
It's just as unprofessional where she is right or wrong.
You don't write an article on a potentially misheard lyric, even if you're 99% sure you're correct.
How is it bad to be defensive when the original article is equally accusatory and based in the same non-information?
She was told it said that word, mentally processed that word due to the expectation of it, and wrote the article accusing the game of using that word without verification of any sort.
The accusation was premature and disconcerting and its hypocritical to not see that.
"I looked into it" can mean anything... I would assume Kotaku goes through more than one person when publishing articles. Let's just wait and see how it plays out.
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I'm personally hearing "retarded" but I also recognize that south east Asian pronunciations of certain words that are both English and of the native language can sometimes lead to very unfortunate interpretations. There's certain Korean words (you & I) that sound like a racial slur in America.
Welcome to languages.
Smart idea.
Personally I've heard "re-target" and "rip target" before "retarded." Even though I've been listening to the track for over a year I never heard "retarded."
Like a lot of the song given the accent if there were some words that didn't sound clear I assumed that was the reason. Similar to the "I'm a shape shifter" line. I didn't know she said that until I looked the lyrics up.
I'll agree that it is polarizing, but more in the sense that it creates a divide between seeing gaming journalism as legitimate vs seeing it as 'clickbait trash.'
I view that differently than bringing up polarizing political statements.
Your opinions on whether gaming journalism is a legitimate medium or one full of mostly clickbait doesn't necessarily reflect your political views and I'm not sure why that had to be brought up in response. That's all I'm saying.
And I generally agree that blanketing entire segments because of a single article is painting with too broad a stroke. Rightly or wrongly, gaming journalism has earned a reputation because of reactionary articles like this and won't break that reputation by continuing to create similar articles.
Yeah this is what gets me about the dismissive reaction here.
Supposedly this is from an extended cut that was only available on the OST previously? But it's hard to make head or tail over the material components to the story being clarified here over all the hot takes
I mean it definitely sounds like it says it here. Not really sure why it would be said as it makes zero sense.
yes, which is why this type of journalism is total crap.
There's no reason to AT THE VERY LEAST reach out for a contact about the lyrics before throwing up something like this. It's 100% trying to spur up a controversy. This gave no time to even respond for them and threw it up before any confirmation
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