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[Kotaku] The Pokemon Company clarifies the structure of Pokemon Legends: Arceus (Not Open World, more like Monster Hunter)
- Thread starter Kalentan
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Some of these takes, man. I've just been sitting looking at this thread stunned not even sure what to type. Y'all just have like, no joy in your life at all, huh?
Pokémon games have been significantly lagging behind on a technical level for a while now. While I was hoping it would be open world, I can't say I'm surprised by this. People really need to dial their expectations for the franchise down a couple notches.
Not only does this game look worse than Rise, but I bet the framerate will be all over the place.
Not only does this game look worse than Rise, but I bet the framerate will be all over the place.
Maybe not for people who didn't visit the website, you're right.
This was genuinely going to be the first Pokemon game I bought and played since Pokemon Red on the Game Boy Pocket.
But uh...not anymore. Bummer.
But uh...not anymore. Bummer.
And you think offhandedly mentioning this on the website is sufficient despite the trailers being misleading?
My take on this whole thing is that video game websites do a terrible job. This should have been in the news more than a month ago, not now.
They literally just had to read the game's official website and inform their fans of it in August.
Statements like this are downright laughable and add nothing to the discussion, I would expect better from a discussion forum.
Anyway, man it'd be great if this could look as good as MH Rise on Switch, and the gameplay loop (what they've shown so far) has yet to convince me… my initial excitement has definitely been lowered, but I'm still in the "show me more and we'll see" stage.
People make these games man, including people who post on this site. Also, for some open world games are their favorite genre. Turning to someone and saying "all the games you like are bad" is needlessly hyperbolic. I don't like metal music, but I'm not going around saying "all metal is just bad." I have the perspective to say, "that genre just isn't for me."
The game doesn't even come out until next year and people are acting like Nintendo pulled a pyramid scheme and stole all of their money lol.
You felt their trailer was misleading. Your feelings betrayed you Anakin. Don't buy the buy and save the anger for people who deserve it.
A combination of This Is Resetera and I guess them having a overlooking scenic shot that Breath of the Wild invented.
You felt their trailer was misleading. Your feelings betrayed you Anakin. Don't buy the buy and save the anger for people who deserve it.
A combination of This Is Resetera and I guess them having a overlooking scenic shot that Breath of the Wild invented.
Considering a good chunk if not likely a majority of people on a hardcore videogame forum thought it was open world, it definitely was misleading.
People often create their own expectations with zero evidence and end up disappointed, this isn't new here or anywhere else. That absolutely does not mean the trailers are misleading - intentionally or otherwise. They never show a continuous map of the entire region, or even a seamless transition between areas.
What's the alternative? Having a "NOT OPEN WORLD" disclaimer at the bottom of the screen? This is silly.
Y'all trynna pretend everybody was just dumb for thinking this was open world is hilarious to me. A lot of youtubers dumb, casual audience dumb, good chunk of ppl on here dumb. It was OBVIOUS Gamefreak was making this sections
Consider Monster Hunter itself: while there are definitely plenty of shots of walking and moving in the outdoors, it's just clear based on the framing of the trailer that you are not looking at an open world game.
Hell, the game was called "Monster Hunter World" yet comparatively few people expected it to be open world at all.
All trailers were framed that way, with wide open shots of vistas, similarly to the Breath of the wild trailers, leading viewers to imagine that it was also a open world game focusing on exploration
It can be focused on exploration of large areas and not open world.
I should add that I don't mean to seem callous toward anybody who didn't find it as "obvious" as I did - I can easily see how the marketing could, and would, convince folks otherwise. It's a case of the sum being something of a facade; it's the individual parts they've shown that suggest something more akin to Monster Hunter.
I'm one of those people who tries to prepare for the perceived "worst" ASAP, too, so when so much emphasis was on Jubilife City I immediately told myself there's a decent probability that'd be our hub and there wouldn't be any full-fledged settlements elsewhere. The newer trailer took greater strides toward confirming that probability.
Can you show how the framing is different in Monster Hunter trailers?
So because it's not an open world it can't show its open areas with panning shots to show the size of said areas otherwise it's misleading?
And what does exploration have to do with this? The game doesn't need to be open world to focus on exploration.
That's going to be a pass for me then.
The trailers were deceiving as fuck. I think this game will have terrible word of mouth because of what unmet expectations the initial trailers have built around it.
The trailers were deceiving as fuck. I think this game will have terrible word of mouth because of what unmet expectations the initial trailers have built around it.
Can anyone tell me which Pokémon should I buy for my Nintendo Switch. Because I have a feeling that every single Pokémon game that launchs on this console gets some hate or get pretty low score.
Gamefreak has had two generations of getting passes because "it's their first...!"
Basically they've been like this for years
The game simply looks bad graphics and performance wise and it's not even another one of their "compromises" for it being open world like many wanted .
Basically they've been like this for years
The game simply looks bad graphics and performance wise and it's not even another one of their "compromises" for it being open world like many wanted .
Am I going to find y'all in the reveal thread saying "guys, it's not an open world game" in the reveal thread if it was obvious from the start? And at what point do you put the onus on TPC for doing a subpar job with their messaging when the majority of people believed it was open world for months? Even if you accept that it was alluded to with the map/the latest trailer, a lot of people still missed it. This is something that they should have made clear in no uncertain terms like they did yesterday.
Being open world does not automatically mean the game is going to be fun, nor does having a structure like Monster Hunter mean it's going to be bad, but this could have and should have been avoided by TPC making the game's structure clear from the start. The revisionist posts about the reveal trailer not trying to evoke the same feeling as Breath of the Wild or how it was obvious that it wasn't open world from day one are mad weird.
Being open world does not automatically mean the game is going to be fun, nor does having a structure like Monster Hunter mean it's going to be bad, but this could have and should have been avoided by TPC making the game's structure clear from the start. The revisionist posts about the reveal trailer not trying to evoke the same feeling as Breath of the Wild or how it was obvious that it wasn't open world from day one are mad weird.
Yeah, gonna disagree with the claim that the game not being open world was obvious. If you have people on a dedicated gaming forum being surprised, I'm not sure how it would be any more obvious to ordinary people who only pick up on the odd bit of info here and there. Most of the people I follow on twitter thought it was open world too, so I know I'm not the only one here who had it wrong either.
Considering Game Freak was dabbling in open world areas with the Wild Area in Sword and Shield, as well as its' dlc, jumping into a Monster Hunter like structure next was not quite the expected move for many based on what the trailers were showing. The fact that Game Freak had to clarify the game's structure in an article should also make it abundantly clear this was not a misconception among a small amount of people either.
For what is worth I do think the game still looks interesting and plan on picking it up, but I am a bit bummed that we will have to wait another day for an open world Pokemon game.
Considering Game Freak was dabbling in open world areas with the Wild Area in Sword and Shield, as well as its' dlc, jumping into a Monster Hunter like structure next was not quite the expected move for many based on what the trailers were showing. The fact that Game Freak had to clarify the game's structure in an article should also make it abundantly clear this was not a misconception among a small amount of people either.
For what is worth I do think the game still looks interesting and plan on picking it up, but I am a bit bummed that we will have to wait another day for an open world Pokemon game.
In a world where Monster Hunter World has sold 17 million I don't think the structure is as controversial as you think.
Yep, the trailer had a similar shot, people on twitter and reddit(casual as it gets) screaming 'BTOW POKEMON'. Like c'mon, some of these posts feel really dishonest.
And most of the times people even forget about what they were arguing about and return to the same ol' Gamefreak Rhapsody.
At this point, the drama surrounding Pokémon games is more entertaining than the games themselves. xD
I'm not melting down. I've been disappointed in Pokemon since XY. As the spiral continued, I didn't buy Sword/Shield, and I won't be buying this. I never believed GF could pull off open world. But I'm interested in the franchise nonetheless, essentially waiting for them to rebound.
By the way, I live in Florida, if I touch the grass it'll cut me.
I have joy. Just waiting to see if GF can deliver that again. They've been a source of disappointment for me, but maybe some year they can recover.
This is exactly the thoughts I'm having. I'm not particularly familiar with the MH series, so I don't quite get the gameplay ramifications, but the games look great on Switch from the videos I've seen. Makes the appearance of this game more of a let down.
I've not written this game off, so I'll wait for more videos and previews, but I'm not as excited.
User warned: thread derail
Some of the Nintendo Era people started a new forum
Would rather they just made a full sword and shield style remake of Pokemon diamond and Pearl. Who even asked for monster Hunter pokemon anyways???
The isle of armor was excellent and cemented SWSH as a game I'd definitely enjoy for years to come: but I found the crown tundra way weaker than even the main wild area. The story and legendary hunt quests was good, but afterward… Just dull emptiness and nothing in terms of battling besides those dumbass adventures that forbid your own team. (and a fun peony fight)
Of all Frontier facilities that aren't the tower, why does the shitty factory have to be the one constantly referenced in third versions?!? Because it's the easiest gimmick or something? Like, the lack of a multiplayer focus already concerned me with legends but here it just feels like they're giving into fan demand instead of doing their own thing without any outside acknowledgement, and it could just lead to a disjointed mess that isn't Pokemon anymore… They got it so good with Armor and the different sectors and variety and fun/eyecatching places yet here it looks so much emptier imo
Fascinating that they'd let the "Breath of the Wild but Pokemon" narratives last this long without clarifying that it's monster hunter instead.
I'd love to see the timeline in which both the Pokémon Company and Nintendo make sensible decisions and weren't just agents of chaos.
I'd love to see the timeline in which both the Pokémon Company and Nintendo make sensible decisions and weren't just agents of chaos.
Just showed the first trailer to my grandma. She said "hmmmm, it DEFINITELY looks like a game with segmented areas with a similar system to MH". Idk why you guys thought it would be open world. Nope. Ther wasn't anything to suggest it.
People are talking about the second trailer, in which thread you can already see a lot of people talking about Monster Hunter.
Yunno I get why you're not a fan of the negativity, and people can definitely be hyperbolic around here, but I don't know that it's fair to characterize that post as an astounding meltdown, either. To be fair, I'm not sure why people are surprised by the fact that this game's segmented world looks the way that it does. It's still Game Freak's second attempt at creating worlds at this scale (or anything near it). As much as I'd prefer for Pokémon to look as good or better than its Switch peers visually, these world areas still look pretty large - given the context, the fact that they look the way they do isn't some grand surprise that changes my whole opinion of the game, even if I'd argue that there are better looking true open world games on the same platform.
yep. i'm pretty sure a good majority of people thought/even still think it is an open world game. i dunno how people are suddenly denying it lol
and you are right GameFreak having to clarify it…kind of confirms that.
to me the trailers were slightly misleading especially with the last one showing off mounts and exploration.
This focus on open world or not is moot
because the gameplay could still be amazing. At the end of the day It's going to come down to minute to minute gameplay kind of the way BotW excels at.
surely Nintendo wouldn't put it out unless it has that seal of quality lol
I blame the yearly release grind. They could get away with it up to the DS, but now we're at a boiling point.
I put a ton of hours in SW/SH and enjoyed it well enough. Have gotten pretty invested for a while in pretty much every major mainline release before it, but honestly have been feeling burnt out on Pokémon lately. Couldn't bring myself to beat the expansions for example despite having pre-purchased them.
Was hoping this game would bring me back, and yes I thought it was open world (though admittedly I have only watched trailers and loosely followed coverage).
The poor visuals dampened my hype for sure, but this is a big disappointment. I never could get into the monster Hunter games so that comparison does nothing for me. The game might still be great, but it is looking less and less like the big jump for the series that it seemed to be at first.
Was hoping this game would bring me back, and yes I thought it was open world (though admittedly I have only watched trailers and loosely followed coverage).
The poor visuals dampened my hype for sure, but this is a big disappointment. I never could get into the monster Hunter games so that comparison does nothing for me. The game might still be great, but it is looking less and less like the big jump for the series that it seemed to be at first.