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dex3108

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Oct 26, 2017
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Harry Potter: Wizards Unite, the latest game from the company behind Pokémon Go, lets players harness the magic of their childhood to combat monsters and collect shimmering digital artifacts across their local neighborhoods. Niantic's apps certainly encourage gamers to get outdoors and get active, but behind the scenes, Wizards Unite is quietly casting another spell: collecting a surprising amount of data about where you go.

Today, when you use Wizards Unite or Pokémon Go or any of Niantic's other apps, your every move is getting documented and stored—up to 13 times a minute, according to the results of a Kotaku investigation. Even players who know that the apps record their location data are usually astonished once they look at just how much they've told Niantic about their lives through their footsteps.

From the player's perspective, the Wizarding World is manifesting itself into their real one. But what's happening behind the scenes, and what does Niantic see? Players give Wizards Unite permission to track their movement using a combination of GPS, Wi-Fi, and mobile cell tower triangulation. To understand the extent of this location data, Kotaku asked for data from European players who had all filed personal information requests to Niantic under the GDPR, the European digital privacy legislation designed to give EU citizens more control over their personal data. Niantic sent these players all the data it had on them, which the players then shared with Kotaku.

The files we received contained detailed information about the lives of these players: the number of calories they likely burned during a given session, the distance they traveled, the promotions they engaged with. Crucially, each request also contained a large file of timestamped location data, as latitudes and longitudes.

In total, Kotaku analyzed more than 25,000 location records voluntarily shared with us by 10 players of Niantic games. On average, we found that Niantic kept about three location records per minute of gameplay of Wizards Unite, nearly twice as many as it did with Pokémon Go. For one player, Niantic had at least one location record taken during nearly every hour of the day, suggesting that the game was collecting data and sharing it with Niantic even when the player was not playing.

In five days of gameplay, Niantic kept 2304 location records for one player. By looking at the timestamps and frequency with which this user would return to particular areas, we were able to correctly identify their employer and address of residence. Furthermore, by plotting these data points on a map we could correctly discern the routes the user took from work to home, their daily schedule, and even their eating habits. When we asked them about their propensity to eat Burger King for lunch, they were surprised that we knew that, saying afterwards that they were "addicted to fast food."

It's important to note that the personal data that players requested from Niantic and voluntarily shared with Kotaku is, according to Niantic, not something that a third party could buy from them, or otherwise be allowed to see. "Niantic does not share individual player data with third party sponsored location partners," a representative said, adding that it uses "additional mechanisms to process the data so that it cannot be connected to an individual."

Niantic's Kawai told Kotaku that the anonymized data that Niantic shares with third parties is only in the form of "aggregated stats," such as "how many people have had access or went to those in-game locations and how many actions people take in those in-game locations, how many PokeStop spins to get items happened on that day and… what unique number of people went to that location."

"We don't go any further than that," he said.


There is a lot more there, from history of Niantic and people involved in creation of many of the things tied to those games.
 
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JeffGubb

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like every two years we get the story about how location data companies are keeping location data.
 

Okabe

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MappingYou sounds like Mewtwo's next evolution
 

nsilvias

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Oct 25, 2017
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I bet they have a way of tracking you even when you block tracking just like everyone else.
 

HammerOfThor

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Oct 26, 2017
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Please don't tell me anyone is actually surprised by any of this? What on earth did you think was going on behind the scenes?
 

Homura

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I don't care.
It's 2019. Every major company in the world already knows everything about us
 

udivision

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is the kind of info people voluntarily provide on social media these days too. And a lot easier to find than using location data.
 

nikos

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Oct 27, 2017
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You don't say! It's a location based game, this should have been apparent before even downloading it.

iOS now notifies you when, and how many times, apps have been using your location in the background, with the option to disable the functionality. The days of not knowing this information are pretty much in the past.
 

hanshen

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Jun 24, 2018
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We all know that they use location data, but why would Niantic needs to store it? I've only played Pokemon Go briefly so I'm not sure why the game needs location history.
 

Tbm24

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're telling us there is nothing to discuss here because 'location tracking companies track your location'.
My comparison is sound.
You're also welcome to offer what you think there is to discuss here rather than making gross comparisons. No one plays Pokemon Go by force.
 
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Nah, they are just storing location data more frequently than Pokemon Go. That is far from "mapping me".

Google does a much better job at that. They know my contacts, my tastes, my searches, profession, etc.
 

Eumi

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Nov 3, 2017
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I'm assuming this wasn't known? Because in that case I just assumed it.

I can't see why anyone would think otherwise.
 

Danzflor

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't care.
It's 2019. Every major company in the world already knows everything about us
This is my sentiment as well. I understand privacy concerns, but you have to be pretty naive to think that your personal info isn't already on hundreds, if not thousands of databases that get shared and/or bought between big companies at this point. The price of free services is your personal data after all.
 

tr1b0re

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Oct 17, 2018
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I mean yeah

But I'm also not really bothered, as others have stated companies already know much about my personal movement

Google keeps track of it in fact, but the way I see it that's more useful info for me to be able to access and harmless if known by an AI in another country (its unlikely humans are sifting through all that data, and even if so...it still doesn't mean much)
 

ThatMeanScene

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Oct 25, 2017
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The extent to which they are tracking and storing data is absurd. Yes, these games will store location data but the examples in the article are beyond reason. Tracking a person very hour of every day even when the app is not actively being used is too much. It takes very little work to piece together an idea of that person's life which is very scary.

Niantic says they don't sell individualized data; that's great... But what if they experience a security breach? Then it won't matter because that data - and the users' privacy - will be up for grabs.
 

diakyu

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maps already knows where I'm going the second I sit in my car. This doesn't shock me
 

Pororoka

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They are mapping you! And then they're going to map me!

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(First thing that came to mind when reading the title)
 

chrominance

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Y'all should read the article. It's not just "HOLY SHIT POKEMON GO TRACKS YOUR LOCATION." If anything, it concedes early on that people are generally aware that these apps record their location, but that people often don't take the next step to imagining what can be done with that information. It's of a similar tenor to the New York Times feature about other smartphone apps that track your location and how that information can be used to make inferences about your lives. (The Kotaku piece links to this article, in case anyone was wondering.)

It also talks about geolocation as a personal fingerprint of sorts, the idea being that even anonymized geolocation data is relatively easy to de-anonymize because it turns out the list of places people tend to go are fairly unique, and all it takes is the ability to cross-reference anonymized data with some other source of data that is personalized. Crucially, this is something that doesn't require the transfer or sale of personally identifying information; it just requires a company that already has its own personalized dataset to buy an anonymized data set and make connections.

None of this is necessarily a revelation to people who are really in the know on this stuff. But there are likely a lot of people just like the people interviewed in the article that understand that their locations are being tracked, but not necessarily that patterns in that data (and deviations from those patterns) are easy to read and make inferences from. Even with that understanding, it can be difficult to make the further leap to "okay, so how does a company knowing that I was sick two days ago or that I like Burger King hurt me in the long run?"
 

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Hope they enjoy my boring life.
Problem is that companies are developing algorhythms to profile you and use that information for things like election rigging. I don't mind location tracking in principal, but it's totally unregulated so companies are gradually stepping out and seeing what they can get away with doing with the info. That's the scary shit.
 

Falchion

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It's not even close to what Google Maps collects. Their monthly timeline tells me every store, building, and drive I've taken.