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Kotaku: "Ronda Rousey Being In Mortal Kombat 11 Is Bullshit"
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I count two, the first two words and the last sentence, helpfully bookending the rest of the post. An almost literal shit sandwich. :D
God the transphobic assholes are really coming out of the woodwork today huh?
Anyway fuck Ronda.
Anyway fuck Ronda.
Celebrities have been in gaming recently and is much of it's culture and I think developers lean on them for star power.
I have no interest in anything she's in, but that mostly stems from hating the UFC. I've seen her character and heard her voice acting in this game and it's awful.
Bullshit indeed. Ronda is a trash person with abhorrent beliefs and viewponts that are easily found with a quick Google search if you don't keep up with MMA or WWE. Her inclusion in Mortal Kombat 11 is one of many issues the game has.
There are several pro-wrestling references in MK11 (in the names of some costumes and gear), so I could see some fans at WB/NRS believing that their stunt casting choice was somehow a "good" idea.
But in addition to ignoring or handwaving away Ronda's known Sandy Hook truther, transphobic comments, and domestic abuse issues, the suits and developers weren't paying attention to her acting abilities, either.
Here's some of her bullshit in MK11:
It's not like there weren't more capable and non-trash VA's available:
I'm not a fan of NRS MTX, but would gladly pay for DLC to patch Ronda's voice out of the game entirely so I could actually enjoy using Sonya Blade as more than an AI farmer.
There are several pro-wrestling references in MK11 (in the names of some costumes and gear), so I could see some fans at WB/NRS believing that their stunt casting choice was somehow a "good" idea.
But in addition to ignoring or handwaving away Ronda's known Sandy Hook truther, transphobic comments, and domestic abuse issues, the suits and developers weren't paying attention to her acting abilities, either.
Here's some of her bullshit in MK11:
It's not like there weren't more capable and non-trash VA's available:
I'm not a fan of NRS MTX, but would gladly pay for DLC to patch Ronda's voice out of the game entirely so I could actually enjoy using Sonya Blade as more than an AI farmer.
It's a little ridiculous that so much of the Rousey discussion has centered on her shit voice acting. She could be amazing and it wouldn't matter. NRS ultimately would have still decided to include a transphobe and sandy hook truther.
They need to get hardcore fucking slagged on for that and not just because they decided to hire a mediocre celebrity.
They need to get hardcore fucking slagged on for that and not just because they decided to hire a mediocre celebrity.
Probably. At a certain point she was one of the most prominent female athletes. A single tweet from her as more influence than any one forum or gaming website. Several times over.
"At a certain point"
Now, she's known as a Sandy Hook truther and a transphobic asshole. And a terrible actress.
User Banned (Permanent): Excusing Transphobia; History of Severe Infractions
I wish there was a mod that i could actually have a conversation with.. Just looking at some of the post people have been banned for above .. It just seems like resetera members aren't allowed to have differing opinions.
Transphobia is defined as "Dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people."
Or irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people
If resetera has its own definition, then that should be readily available in the terms of service (or something)
Some of the bans above are opinions and have not voiced any hate whatsoever.
Person a saying its ok to go 60 mph in a 55 limit area... Person b says no you cant do that.. And .... Person c says fuck person a i hate them stupid speeding fuckers. In this stupid scenario resetera bans person b and c
Just doesn't seem even remotely reasonable
Transphobia is defined as "Dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people."
Or irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against transgender people
If resetera has its own definition, then that should be readily available in the terms of service (or something)
Some of the bans above are opinions and have not voiced any hate whatsoever.
Person a saying its ok to go 60 mph in a 55 limit area... Person b says no you cant do that.. And .... Person c says fuck person a i hate them stupid speeding fuckers. In this stupid scenario resetera bans person b and c
Just doesn't seem even remotely reasonable
You gonna show us some examples of people being "wrongly banned" or what?
Destiny has taught us it's never too late to replace bad voice acting
I'm glad this issue has been publicized.
True. I'm personally cool with going back to MKX's VA for Sonya.
This was a bad stunt casting decision, absolutely nothing was added with her inclusion, hell Shang Tsung with his movie actor was a bigger and better draw.
They didn't even use her for promoting the game past the initial reveal, not even when she was main-eventing Wrestlemania.
I'll gladly pay for DLC to replace her voice if need be, I don't care if it is Tricia Helfer or Nolan North.
I'm glad more people are bringing up the issues with Ronda, both acting and garbage beliefs.
They didn't even use her for promoting the game past the initial reveal, not even when she was main-eventing Wrestlemania.
I'll gladly pay for DLC to replace her voice if need be, I don't care if it is Tricia Helfer or Nolan North.
I'm glad more people are bringing up the issues with Ronda, both acting and garbage beliefs.
You might not see this for a while, but I think there's a chance you asked this in good faith. So in case you're genuinely interested in learning how and why your perspective could be misguided: the "biological advantage" argument is at best flawed and can tend to be pretty narrow minded and disingenuous.
Any significant physical advantage that Fallon Fox might have hypothetically had, has been made null and void from her undergoing transitional surgery and multiple years of hormone replacement therapy. Here's an excerpt from her Wikipedia article:
So yes, for Fallon to go through all that, and have Rousey still say she has an "advantage", is pretty transphobic of Rousey. The extent to which it downplays what these athletes have to go through to even be allowed to compete is downright harmful. And since Rousey does this for a living, even assuming that she's unaware of official MMA procedure in regards to transgender athletes means she's being inexcusably ignorant about the whole thing. It's more likely that she's maliciously trying to discredit her competitor in an awful way. Either way it's pretty gross.
Huge props for this answer and explanation. It's almost like the people who are no longer with us would have learned from posts like this rather than getting banned because of opinions based on faulty/limited information...
... I'm getting the hammer aren't I?
FC fighter Matt Mitrione was suspended indefinitely earlier this week for disparaging comments he made about transgender fighter Fallon Fox. UFC women's champion Ronda Rousey agrees with him, though not with the language he used.
She told the New York Post on Wednesday that Fox, who was a man until undergoing gender reassignment surgery seven years ago, "can try hormones, chop her ... off, but it's still the same bone structure a man has. It's an advantage. I don't think it's fair."
Rousey said Mitrione chose his words "extremely poorly," but that she thought his overall point -- that Fox has certain advantages as a transgender fighter -- was a good one. "I understand the UFC doesn't want to be associated with views like that," Rousey said. "I'm also glad they didn't straight cut him."
Mitrione called Fox a "lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak," which is what led to his suspension.
Rousey said Fox shouldn't be surprised about the controversy.
"It [transgender surgery] is not something that happened to her," Rousey said. "It was a decision she made. She should be aware in her career after that, it's going to be an arduous path. I don't know why she's surprised by that. It's going to draw a lot of emotions."
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-x...att-mitrione-ronda-rousey-20130412-story.html
I don't understand how anybody can read that and come away believing that Rousey doesn't have a real issue with transgender people. She refers to Mitrione calling Fox a bunch of deplorable things as just "extremely poor" wording and puts it on UFC for not wanting to be associated with it, not that it's actually wrong and shitty, then she's glad he's still around.
To top it off, she victim blames Fox for having the audacity to transition causing these issues/comments, because the only other direction to point the finger is straight at herself.
Ignorance is not an excuse. These people could have learned at any point prior to posting but decided their half-ass opinion was more important. It's not everybody else's job to educate willfully obtuse opinions every single time.
She told the New York Post on Wednesday that Fox, who was a man until undergoing gender reassignment surgery seven years ago, "can try hormones, chop her ... off, but it's still the same bone structure a man has. It's an advantage. I don't think it's fair."
Rousey said Mitrione chose his words "extremely poorly," but that she thought his overall point -- that Fox has certain advantages as a transgender fighter -- was a good one. "I understand the UFC doesn't want to be associated with views like that," Rousey said. "I'm also glad they didn't straight cut him."
Mitrione called Fox a "lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak," which is what led to his suspension.
Rousey said Fox shouldn't be surprised about the controversy.
"It [transgender surgery] is not something that happened to her," Rousey said. "It was a decision she made. She should be aware in her career after that, it's going to be an arduous path. I don't know why she's surprised by that. It's going to draw a lot of emotions."
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-x...att-mitrione-ronda-rousey-20130412-story.html
I don't understand how anybody can read that and come away believing that Rousey doesn't have a real issue with transgender people. She refers to Mitrione calling Fox a bunch of deplorable things as just "extremely poor" wording and puts it on UFC for not wanting to be associated with it, not that it's actually wrong and shitty, then she's glad he's still around.
To top it off, she victim blames Fox for having the audacity to transition causing these issues/comments, because the only other direction to point the finger is straight at herself.
Ignorance is not an excuse. These people could have learned at any point prior to posting but decided their half-ass opinion was more important. It's not everybody else's job to educate willfully obtuse opinions every single time.
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most people don't care, straight up. I'm not disagreeing with people here but these types of forums are echo chambers. she has almost 4 million followers on twitter. That's INSANE.
People you have a search engine. I'm sure you do. And if you don't, then get one. You can easily find out WHY people have a problem with Ronda instead of posting in this thread with "just asking questions" or even saying things on bad information and then getting mad when you are corrected.
Okay. All the more reason for articles like this to call her out for the shitbag she is.
They literally paid this woman to make the game worse on multiple levels. She literally brings nothing but a bad performance and baggage from having shit viewpoints to the game.
She's a terrible person
She's a terrible VA
Literally nobody asked for this or is happy with this.
Even NRS and WB (AFAIK) stopped using her as a marketing point after the reveal.
It gave the game negative PR.
What was the point of this, again?
She's a terrible VA
Literally nobody asked for this or is happy with this.
Even NRS and WB (AFAIK) stopped using her as a marketing point after the reveal.
It gave the game negative PR.
What was the point of this, again?
You are correct that it's not everybody else's job to educate people. However, as a teacher I have a big problem with the idea that ignorance isn't an excuse.
For a lot of people it makes sense that a transgender female would have an unfair advantage in a lot of sports based on their education. The information provided by Thores is not something that is widely known. However, biological physical differences between genders is. Therefore it's not really a big surprise that a lot of people would come to the conclusion that a transgender woman would have an unfair advantage. People do this all the time. A simple link or quote from the link is often sufficient, especially on this board.
This, she brings nothing positive to the game. Wasting all that money for terrible performance and bad PR. Brilliant job NetherRealms.
At its core, the major appeal of the game is built around "look at that violence!!!!" What positive aspect does that bring to the game? I doubt the people who buy it would be put off by this at all and I'd expect the name recognition would have actually helped.
Which is messed up in multiple ways, but what exactly do you think MK as a series is? It is the same reason AJ Styles can be on the cover of a wrestling game.
I'm using "positive" here in the context of a plus to the game, not in the context of unicorns and rainbows. Maybe I should've said she adds nothing of value to the game other than a bad performance and bad PR, would be a better choice of words.
It's nuts.
First NRS hired Ronda either not doing their research well enough or knowing about her controversial statements which both are pretty unprofessional.
Then they reveal the game and at the day of the reveal we know Ronda is voicing Sonya with many people coming out and saying this ain't cool.So NRS had enough time to fix this.
But they didn't, and for what?
RST stuck to their guns and ended up with people condemning Rondha in the game and on top of that she is god-awful as a voice actress.
Like, why even?
First NRS hired Ronda either not doing their research well enough or knowing about her controversial statements which both are pretty unprofessional.
Then they reveal the game and at the day of the reveal we know Ronda is voicing Sonya with many people coming out and saying this ain't cool.So NRS had enough time to fix this.
But they didn't, and for what?
RST stuck to their guns and ended up with people condemning Rondha in the game and on top of that she is god-awful as a voice actress.
Like, why even?
Well I didn't buy the game because I don't want to support an awful choice like this. But then I was never going to buy the game anyway.
So I imagine the plus they factored in is the added appeal to the "oh fuck yeah he tore that girl in half and that wrestling girl is in it and I booed her on raw so maybe I can rip her in half lol lol" target market.
Which isn't to say serious or even casual fighting game players can't buy and enjoy mk for the improved fighting system. But lets be honest, there are reasons that the series sells millions more than far better fighting games and those reasons do not include anything that gets damaged by her inclusion.
I see it as good pr and good marketing, which is sad. But can we really argue that this isn't where the world and especially gaming is at?
I was not ready for that voice acting.
It's a real shame that cruddy people keep getting work just because of their name.
It's a real shame that cruddy people keep getting work just because of their name.
There was absolutely no reason to cast her as Sonya. MK11 was going to be a big seller no matter what, and Rousey brings the game down both with NetherRealm being fine with what she represents as well as her fucking terrible voice acting.
Stop trying to shoehorn Ronda into entertainment. She's not all that much of a draw, and she doesn't have a talented bone in her body outside of the ring (both UFC and WWE).
Stop trying to shoehorn Ronda into entertainment. She's not all that much of a draw, and she doesn't have a talented bone in her body outside of the ring (both UFC and WWE).
JonTron explicitly came out as a white nationalist, contributed to Breitbart, talked about other nationalities diluting the gene pool and quoted fake black crime stats on a podcast. It was reported everywhere.
Yesterday he released a new video on YouTube and it was the 2nd most popular video of the day. People outside of this forum don't think there's an issue with him being featured in games.
Stuff like that makes me cynical but I know we have to be louder, better allies. It's bullshit that someone in the LBGTQ community always has to be the one to report on something like this.
Yesterday he released a new video on YouTube and it was the 2nd most popular video of the day. People outside of this forum don't think there's an issue with him being featured in games.
Stuff like that makes me cynical but I know we have to be louder, better allies. It's bullshit that someone in the LBGTQ community always has to be the one to report on something like this.
Part of me loves to think that because of Ronda Rousey providing the voice for Sonya, her character-
Sadly... yeah... Ronda's Voice acting really stands out and in the worst way possible. It really does sound like she is just "reading" her lines as opposed to everyone else, and really part of me would love the idea that they only have her voice the older Sonya and replace the younger Sonya with someone else if the controversies would warrant her getting replaced.
Considering the idea of Mortal Kombat 11 apparently having a "Multi-year" plan attached to it, we'll see what happens. For me though, I usually try and focus on the game itself rather than the individual and I have my serious doubts if anyone who got Mortal Kombat 11 did so because they were sold on the idea of "Ronda as Sonya Blade."
got axed before Chapter 1 came to an end (sarcastically speaking, of course, considering the whole "time travel" part of the story that lets a younger Sonya run around when her older self was buried and blown to bits).
Sadly... yeah... Ronda's Voice acting really stands out and in the worst way possible. It really does sound like she is just "reading" her lines as opposed to everyone else, and really part of me would love the idea that they only have her voice the older Sonya and replace the younger Sonya with someone else if the controversies would warrant her getting replaced.
Considering the idea of Mortal Kombat 11 apparently having a "Multi-year" plan attached to it, we'll see what happens. For me though, I usually try and focus on the game itself rather than the individual and I have my serious doubts if anyone who got Mortal Kombat 11 did so because they were sold on the idea of "Ronda as Sonya Blade."
The only time Sonya's performance isn't wooden in MK11 is during Johnny's ventriloquist fatality.
I think the Rock might be responsible for that, especially after that intro at Wrestlemania a few years back.
I think the Rock might be responsible for that, especially after that intro at Wrestlemania a few years back.
I rolled my eyes so hard when they had that big ass announcement that she was gonna be the VA of Sonya.
Ronda's casting in this game is a lose-lose-lose for everyone involved.
MAYBE if she was a very talented voice actor you might be able to separate art from the artist, but her VA performance is easily one of the worst in the whole game, so the trade-off from Tricia Helfer to her didn't benefit the game whatsoever.
MAYBE if she was a very talented voice actor you might be able to separate art from the artist, but her VA performance is easily one of the worst in the whole game, so the trade-off from Tricia Helfer to her didn't benefit the game whatsoever.
