I think the 1440p might have been for non-RT graphically non-intensive games.
For RT games it'll be 960x1080p temporal upscaled to 1080p. Even though the GPU is ~40% less than the RX 2060, we probably can see good results for RT games at 1080p.
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Kotaku: Microsoft Is Still Planning A Cheaper, Disc-Less Next-Gen Xbox
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I think the 1440p might have been for non-RT graphically non-intensive games.
For RT games it'll be 960x1080p temporal upscaled to 1080p. Even though the GPU is ~40% less than the RX 2060, we probably can see good results for RT games at 1080p.
I was talking more so about exclusives. I don't know about third parties, I mean no one really does.
As with all things, time will tell.
over the top much? Xbox has really dropped the ball this gen. they don't have the clout to bully devs into gimping their games for their weaker version.
I think 1st party MS games will work on XB1 for a few more years natively, and pretty much forever on later on via xCloud.
The cards that are out currently were never targeted to beat Nvidia's top end so of course they would be behind, high end navi is not coming until next year
Lol, considering you apparently know the future, no I don't think it's over the top.
We have no idea what Lockhart really is. Nothing concrete. Why the hell are we in "the world is doomed!" mode already?
One physical game was fine.
Then I went and made the mistake of getting a second...
Who said they're currently beating them? All i said was dont count them out. AMD's top mid range card is only 37% slower than Nvidia's top end that says a lot.
High end cards are still coming...
The crazy thing is that you legitimately have people in the other thread taking Chubigans' post and saying that because he's on the outside looking in, his opinion basically isn't valid, even though he's a developer and it's sad.
Problem is Nvidia is on an outdated 12nm node that is pretty much 14nm, Ampere at 7nm is going to leapfrog AMD again.
What I don't get is why just MS release a disc less Scarlette and lower the price by $50 (which they will make up in the long run with Gold and Ultimate). If Scarlette and PS5 launch at the same price, then MS just undercut the competition w/o buyers having compromise on the specs.
IIRC, you were the one who alleged that Pro was not powerful enough to warrant Obsidian doing enhancements for Outer Wilds. It's quite the rich take from you now.
Reminds me of SpinningBirdKick, seldom veiled fanboyism BS draped in the rag of rationality and concern trolling.
IIRC, you were the one who alleged that Pro was not powerful enough to warrant Obsidian doing enhancements for Outer Wilds. It's quite the rich take from you now.
Reminds me of SpinningBirdKick, seldom veiled fanboyism BS draped in the rag of rationality and concern trolling.
lmfaooooo
what world are you living in
this console will let more people play their games, theyll be pushing back against you
I mean, 7nm AMD is losing to 14nm Nvidia that is tied down by RTX eating 10% of the node.
So a checkerboard less than 1080p machine is what we have to look forward to in 2020 is that what you are saying?
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Yep, a two console solution is a pro-consumer move. Something I thought Era was all for.
There are concerns on the dev side, but we really don't know enough to say anything remotely concrete.
Publishers are going to push back against having a larger market to sell their games on?
I can't see EA, Activision, CDPR, Bethesda, or Ubisoft doing that.
And as i previously said those cards out now are not the competition for Nvidia's high end
2070 / 2060 its par for par or amd beats it with a smaller die
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Now this is something relevant for next generation, going to be a fun ride next year.
Kind of weird to see the influx of "Pro-consumer" argument. I mean, yea, technically, I guess it is. Should MS really launch the presumed spec'd Lockhart model, it will be interesting to see the split in consumer base down the line.
I just hope it doesn't ship with platter drive. Heck, let it all be the same save the lack of optical drive and a weaker GPU.
You're welcome. I was talking about SpinningBirdKick in the part you quoted. If you took it to mean yourself, well.. you do you.
I just hope it doesn't ship with platter drive. Heck, let it all be the same save the lack of optical drive and a weaker GPU.
You're welcome. I was talking about SpinningBirdKick in the part you quoted. If you took it to mean yourself, well.. you do you.
I mean, you clearly compared the poster to SpinngBirdKick in the qualities you posted. If you didn't mean to, then damn that was a badly phrased sentence.
Everyone knew Scarlett would be backwards compatible with Xbox One though.... I never dispute that. In fact I explicitly pointed that out. Where's the contradiction?
Hnng... all those stable framerates. Suddenly, I am curious about whether it will run the Base or Enhanced version of a game as part of the BC profile.
Fair, fair.
It's actually a lovely weather outside. Just above 0, still a bunch of snow everywhere, with a bit of a chilly wind, but not too bad. Luckily I got to the store before they closed, so was able to buy some detergent that I needed for the laundry.
How about you, doing good?
Completely agree. So much ado about what will amount to very little. Will there be some more work necessary on the devs' part to ensure scalability? Sure, but PC games have been developed as such for years.
They always said backwards compatibility was in it for all games when it comes to Scarlett so him playing old games on new hardware is not surprising at all just as playing 360 on the Xbox one is a thing.
However if we are talking pure next gen games developed for the Scarlett family and PS5 you are in for a bad surprise because your X is missing both the CPU and SSD that those games will take advantage of and developers will build there games around. Even if you had a 15tflop Xbox one X it would not matter because you would be CPU bound and the transfer rate of the SSD in the new machines completely makes the games impossible to render using the X.
I am sure there will be some third party games and perhaps a few first party games that will be cross gen in the beginning but games build around the new hardware will look and run completely different from the ones that are cross gen and also be impossible to port.
I wanted to post one big thoughts post. I posted earlier in here but I wanted to combine everything.
I am concerned the price for the worst one will still be too high. Microsoft never makes the right decision with price. It's always 50-100 dollars too expensive.
I think it makes sense that they want a cheaper model. I find it interesting that they want to make the CPU updated and the SSD included. Clearly the point of it is to make a device with a worse GPU and downgrade visual fidelity. You get access to the games and the performance, but you lose 4K with big AAA games.
I think the marketing for this will not go as smoothly as they think. MS can't toe (tow?) the line. They need to explicitly and clearly state that this Lockhart is the trashcan of the litter. They need to explain the limitations of the machine to the general audience. Then they need to explain why it exists. I still think people will ignore it. I don't understand who it's for. People who want to take the plunge on a new machine day one but don't have the money? Is the gap there really that large? Are there people who are willing to invest in a new product that is CLEARLY INFERIOR because they save $100? I don't know. Seems a bit of a reach.
To me, this reads as Microsoft (a) being unable to get to $399 for Anaconda and (b) being unable to confirm they have the power advantage internally. I think they know they're close to PS5, but they're not completely sure. Microsoft doesn't want to come out with one SKU that's $100 more expensive that is potentially slightly weaker than its competitor without being able to say "bro, check out the trash can box". I'm not saying the trash SKU doesn't have value, it does, but it's clearly a guard for them when it comes to messaging. I don't think it will work. Early adopters aren't stupid. They are on these forums and youtube daily and they recognize the differences and know what to compare. If PS5 is better and cheaper than Anaconda, the world will light up like it's 2013 all over again and Phil will likely leave within two years (he will likely leave within two years if they succeed too tbh). If they can somehow get this thing to "holy crap that's cheap" levels of cheap ($200-250), then they will succeed just fine, but I heavily heavily heavily doubt that it will be that cheap.
I worry about where game designers are going for next gen and if this will handcuff them. I don't know what next gen devs are looking for, maybe CPU and SSD is enough so games can push 60 fps. IF that's all they're hoping for and visuals don't cognizably increase in fidelity, then maybe Lockhart makes a lot of sense. Maybe Lockhart has a lifespan of 1-2 years and it will help bridge the gap. I just see people hear writing things down and it just saddens me how complicated things are now sounding from the developer side. I hope they do not alienate developers. Because then PS5 pulls ahead again and we move closer to a one-man show with less games and creativity in the medium. I want a neck and neck race with unique bombastic games from all developers involved. That's my dream.
Last thought/prediction: I think the introduction of Lockhart will not ruin anything. I think it will exist and silently sell copies to casuals who invested some money in the last Xbox. I think the real battle here and everywhere will still be Anaconda and PS5. Lockhart is just a guard for them if Sony one-ups the Anaconda price at E3
I am concerned the price for the worst one will still be too high. Microsoft never makes the right decision with price. It's always 50-100 dollars too expensive.
I think it makes sense that they want a cheaper model. I find it interesting that they want to make the CPU updated and the SSD included. Clearly the point of it is to make a device with a worse GPU and downgrade visual fidelity. You get access to the games and the performance, but you lose 4K with big AAA games.
I think the marketing for this will not go as smoothly as they think. MS can't toe (tow?) the line. They need to explicitly and clearly state that this Lockhart is the trashcan of the litter. They need to explain the limitations of the machine to the general audience. Then they need to explain why it exists. I still think people will ignore it. I don't understand who it's for. People who want to take the plunge on a new machine day one but don't have the money? Is the gap there really that large? Are there people who are willing to invest in a new product that is CLEARLY INFERIOR because they save $100? I don't know. Seems a bit of a reach.
To me, this reads as Microsoft (a) being unable to get to $399 for Anaconda and (b) being unable to confirm they have the power advantage internally. I think they know they're close to PS5, but they're not completely sure. Microsoft doesn't want to come out with one SKU that's $100 more expensive that is potentially slightly weaker than its competitor without being able to say "bro, check out the trash can box". I'm not saying the trash SKU doesn't have value, it does, but it's clearly a guard for them when it comes to messaging. I don't think it will work. Early adopters aren't stupid. They are on these forums and youtube daily and they recognize the differences and know what to compare. If PS5 is better and cheaper than Anaconda, the world will light up like it's 2013 all over again and Phil will likely leave within two years (he will likely leave within two years if they succeed too tbh). If they can somehow get this thing to "holy crap that's cheap" levels of cheap ($200-250), then they will succeed just fine, but I heavily heavily heavily doubt that it will be that cheap.
I worry about where game designers are going for next gen and if this will handcuff them. I don't know what next gen devs are looking for, maybe CPU and SSD is enough so games can push 60 fps. IF that's all they're hoping for and visuals don't cognizably increase in fidelity, then maybe Lockhart makes a lot of sense. Maybe Lockhart has a lifespan of 1-2 years and it will help bridge the gap. I just see people hear writing things down and it just saddens me how complicated things are now sounding from the developer side. I hope they do not alienate developers. Because then PS5 pulls ahead again and we move closer to a one-man show with less games and creativity in the medium. I want a neck and neck race with unique bombastic games from all developers involved. That's my dream.
Last thought/prediction: I think the introduction of Lockhart will not ruin anything. I think it will exist and silently sell copies to casuals who invested some money in the last Xbox. I think the real battle here and everywhere will still be Anaconda and PS5. Lockhart is just a guard for them if Sony one-ups the Anaconda price at E3
Don't mind mind him but you could always tell me instead since I live in Sweden (as I am guessing that is also were you are) and could need something to help me through these dark moths... plz