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Kotaku: Microsoft Is Still Planning A Cheaper, Disc-Less Next-Gen Xbox
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No they don't. We have proof with games like Outer Worlds that devs are developing for Xbox s and scaling it up to the x. Do you not remember the grass debacle.
It just seems there's still uncertainty on what all the compromises will be compared to Anaconda. Same amount of RAM, same speed of RAM? Same speed or size SSD? How much of a differential in CPU?
There's enough confidence to say ~10TF and ~4TF, why not around the other components?
Not going to happen. Phil already said he will not be caught out on price again. Especially given the apparent similarities between Anaconda and PS5.
BTW, the fact that multiple outlets had this story at the same time suggests it is a controlled leak.
I think they're talking about why dough rises when you bake it. Riveting stuff without any context.
Nope check Jason's followup tweet. PS5 and Scarlet are the same level. MS is trying to do a budget next gen console with this.
This too. I think we'll see different performance metrics this gen. We saw that with Nvidia measuring RTX-OPS for its RTX cards, and you gotta imagine Microsoft will be stretching the performance lines with something similar.
Witcher 3 runs on the Switch.
I really think people are overestimating how big of an impact Lockhart will have on next gen games. Especially if it has the same cpu and ssd found in PS5 and XB2
Cpu aside it feels like developers will still be developing game's on last gen specs for another 7 years
Fuck the poor? lol. Nah, this ain't it. Should we re-christen him Philanthropy Spencer for doing the poor a favour letting them in to next gen early? hah, no. "The poor" can't afford live and gamepass and day one digital pricing. An all digital future is a middle finger to those of us who have less disposable income. there's not going to be $1 gamepass deals forever, then "the poor" are fucked, locked into a single source for new software - subscription or day 1 digital pricing.
If Lockhart is weak, this is massively short term thinking and will gimp the entire generation. If Lockhart really is a thing, Spencer's rhetoric concerning not caring where people game as long as they're in the ecosystem is a fallacy. They're basically saying they'll poison the whole next gen well in order to get higher sales and hardware install base. Balls to that - it was just about looking like we'd have the most exciting gen hardware-wise for quite some time. Now Microsoft are saying "bring the gimp".
Anyone who wants next gen to be the best it can be should want anaconda vs ps5 and nothing lowly dragging them down - that's where we'll get the best games possible. PC gamers, too. Games are designed with limitations in mind. If this thing gets realized and sells well, it'll be a case of dial up the fx and shiip it for the others. That's fucked.
I hope devs push back hard on Lockhart. In fact, I really hope this is just Microsoft testing the waters again to gauge what the reception might be like in light of their firesale SAD numbers in Europe over BF. I can see what they might be thinking, but wanting to buy in to xb at teh end of a gen for 99 euros plus a few more for gamepass, in orrder to catch up on a load of stuff you missed is one thing. Expecting them to show up the same way day one is another entirely.
Is there any indications that there will be a difference in RAM in speed or size? How about SSD speeds?
Just because it's not public/leaked info doesn't mean they don't know.
Yeah RDR2 and AC:O are really ugly because they released on PS4
We really need to stop posting garbage posts like these at one point.
Back when this generation started and Sony and Ms opted to make Playstation and Xbox consoles more PC like, (x86 and all that) and that is why games are more scalable. Just like it had been in the PC space for more than 20 years in which devs make a game and they run on hundreds of devices, that is why systems like the X and the pro exist.
This isn't like before where devs are trying to work on some foreign architecture like the cell while they also work on next gen.
No "Brand" even held back games THIS gen. This is just either concern trolling or console only player ignorance?
If Anaconda is similar to PS5, maybe it won't be a problem. Wouldn't that make the base line PS5 and Anaconda? If expectations are the Lockhart is supposed to be weaker?
The issue might come in if it's an overall sandwich strategy with specs too with PS5 in the middle. Where would the base line be then?
Interesting times ahead....
Maybe not on record, but check the next gen thread. And this one. I don't know if you seen any posts yet, I have. I'm trying to post before this thread grows.
The issue might come in if it's an overall sandwich strategy with specs too with PS5 in the middle. Where would the base line be then?
Interesting times ahead....
Maybe not on record, but check the next gen thread. And this one. I don't know if you seen any posts yet, I have. I'm trying to post before this thread grows.
And Lockhart is being designed to run next gen games at a lower resolution.
Well yeah, agreed, their holding back next gen games, for third parties really.
I mean, wont Sony first party just be leagues ahead then?
Compare it to gta v the get back to me lol next gen vs cross gen held back by last gen
mh, sounds like Xbox will sports a more advanced RT solution than the PS5 one
Yep, and the memory configuration of the OG X1/X1S is FAR different from the X1X..... yet developers managed to make games for both. Lockhart/Scarlett will undoubtedly be the same architecture and a comparative walk in the park.
Well, it will have a weaker CPU apparently.
And Witcher ran on Switch after a substantial, after-the-fact port. Had they had to develop the game for Switch initially, for day and date with the other releases, I think it's hard to say it wouldn't have affected the game's scope or development on the other platforms.
I mean we'll see how the CPU turns out. But off the bat we can, at least, probably rule out any significant new lean into GPU compute next-gen, feeding back into game simulation. Which is a shame because the software tools on that front are coming along. We can probably rule out a lean into much higher per pixel complexity at lower resolutions, in favour of higher res and framerate on Anaconda. I mean there's nothing wrong with higher res and framerate, but it's nice if devs have the option to go in one direction or the other, depending on what they think they can achieve. (And I know, for graphics at least, devs could still parse off an Anaconda-only render path focused on better pixels instead of more pixels, but when you split the base, or set up the expectation of one SKU being 'the 4K sku', or whatever, that doesn't happen very much, as we saw with the Pro and X).
Unless they have Lockhart targeting 1080p/20-30fps it would be better off dead. Forcing devs to target 1440p/60fps on such weak hardware (which will undoubtedly sell insanely well if priced as the entry level model) just hamstings and screws over the entire generation. Seriously, what are they thinking?
I also think as tech improves, having the same baseline or similar in terms of CPU without it being a big bottleneck makes sense in the long run.
We have Alien Isolation on Switch looking better than the PS4 version in terms of IQ, checkerboarding is a thing down to even base Xbox One, even without special hardware to assist that, TAA making it hard to even do proper pixel counting for the specialized media outlets, and next gen we will see even more of that, like variable rate shading or perhaps even machine learned AA love Nvidia tries.
This. Lmao. I will gladly jump at Lockhart if that is what I can afford at launch , then upgrade later on.
It's going to be a very long gen for all the
"lockhart will hold games back" people 😆
Even if lockhart was not a thing, what kinda of hardware do you think it would take to run 4k ps5/Anaconda games at 1080/1440p?
What games this gen would not be able to run on a 500gflop with same cpu+ram at 540p? We see examples of this with the switch and PC games.
"lockhart will hold games back" people 😆
Even if lockhart was not a thing, what kinda of hardware do you think it would take to run 4k ps5/Anaconda games at 1080/1440p?
What games this gen would not be able to run on a 500gflop with same cpu+ram at 540p? We see examples of this with the switch and PC games.
This is bad news for next gen games. They will have to be designed around the limitation of shit tier hardware. Games will always be limited by the weakest hardware they are designed on. That's why we see a huge jump of games quality and scope when cross gen games fizzle out.
I'm not denying that at all but it's a very easy way to save or waste resources.
ITT, people act like cards like the GTX 1060 super will not still be supported for 5 more years...
AMD is about to RELEASE the RX 5500... Nvidia will release the RX 2050...
AMD is about to RELEASE the RX 5500... Nvidia will release the RX 2050...
Not 100% on that, but Microsoft and Nvidia developed RTX together over a decade so you'd hope they have some tricks for AMD to utilize, too.