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Kotaku: Microsoft Is Still Planning A Cheaper, Disc-Less Next-Gen Xbox

WhtR88t

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I reeeeeeeally hope the weaker hardware doesn't force developers to design inferior experiences to support it.

I don't see an issue with cross gen stuff and continuing to support the Xbox One while also pushing true next gen exclusives, but mixing it like this is going to be horrible if it happens.
 
deftones r cool

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Physical media can still be kind of cool around Black Friday. Fallen Order's limping performance on X1S is enough to have me avoid the weaker model this time around. Just not worth the extra $100 or so discount in the long run
 
nikasun :D

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Lots of crow to serve in the next gen thread.

Edit: I am not sure about the 1440p thing, why not just stick to 1080p? Looks great on 4k.
 
SharpX68K

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My first reaction to Lockhart being back

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Gusy

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hmm. Lockhart might've been born out of necessity to have a lower price solution at launch. Which means that they are having trouble bringing down Scarlet's price to 499.

That also could mean that MS is really trying to bite Sony in the jugular in the power race and are going all in. I know everyone says that ps5 might have a slight edge, but this sound to me like MS might have a few surprises under its sleeve.
 
Phil me in

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Thanks for ruining it for us Xbox. It was always a terrible idea to begin with. The all digital Xbox one also sold terribly.

disc drives aren't even that expensive so it makes no sense just to have on anyway.
 
Astandahl

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Microsoft's Anaconda console will be the true next-gen leap, and sources tell The Verge that Microsoft is targeting more than 10 teraflops of graphical power on this particular console. Plans for Lockhart may change, but currently this console will debut with around 4 teraflops of graphical power.
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LavaBadger

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If they are looking for their low cost option that launches in 2021, I think this makes sense. Allows them to maintain a higher price point for their main console, and have the lower entry level without having to aggressively cut the price of their top of the line console.

I do think 2021 though; this won't be at launch as it will only confuse the issue at launch. (And allows them to cash in on the less price sensitive early adopters.)
 
Muppet of a Man

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DopeyFish said:
I didn't think common sense required clarification
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"Common sense"...this doesn't really have any material meaning, being that this would be an unprecedented move from the perspective of a new console generation offering perspective.

If they are planning a massive gulf in price (say $299 VS $499)....I still think it would be better from a development perspective to offer one mid spec'd model (relative to the other 2 potential offerings) at $399.
 
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gofreak

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Per The Verge:

Sources say that Lockhart will get a next-gen CPU, but that it will be clocked slower than what's available on Anaconda.
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:/

I understand from a heat perspective why, but I hope it's not a substantial clock difference.
 
Ocean

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This has significant potential. the true cost savings for MS aren't in the optical drive itself, which is worth pennies. It's in locking down digital sales, where they have a much better margin than with physical, where they have to split money with retailers.
 

severianb

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RoKKeR said:
Yep. Bigger picture it makes sense. SAD performance drives that home.
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Yeah, Microsoft outright said the diskless Xbox One S was a trial ballon. I wouldn't be surprised if the reported strong sales of it during Black Friday solidified the release of this diskless Lockhart. Maybe that's why we are hearing this now.
 
TheZynster

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Oh nice.....multigen all gen long. Can't wait to see devs have their games run like shit on the lower end model.
 
Muppet of a Man

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WhtR88t said:
I reeeeeeeally hope the weaker hardware doesn't force developers to design inferior experiences to support it.

I don't see an issue with cross gen stuff and continuing to support the Xbox One while also pushing true next gen exclusives, but mixing it like this is going to be horrible if it happens.
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This. This has a very high potential for happening if developers have too many platform variants to support. They will just target the lowest common denominator in that case, especially with a multitude of variants coming out of the gate initially splitting the base of users.
 
asd202

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severianb said:
Yeah, Microsoft outright said the diskless Xbox One S was a trial ballon. I wouldn't be surprised if the reported strong sales of it during Black Friday solidified the release of this diskless Lockhart. Maybe that's why we are hearing this now.
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Such decision are made well in advance not after a week.
 
gofreak

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AmFreak said:
This will probably have about the same amount of TFLOPS aka ~4.2 as the Pro, but based on RDNA thus being a good chunk faster.
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I suppose it would make it more akin to a Xbox One X GPU wise given the 'perf-to-flop' ratios we've seen elsewhere for gcn vs rdna, which would be in line with earlier rumours about Lockhart.
 
Megabreath

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Interesting move. But if games are underperforming on it compared to PS5 then its not going to be a good look at the start of a generation.

It seems MS whole strategy now revolves around gamepass, but unless they get the huge third party games day 1 like COD, FIFA and R* I don't think it will become the norm.
 
Xumbrega

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Wow! It almost seems like that one of the most reliable insiders on the industry that covers Microsoft for years was right and ERA armchair analysts were wrong.... who would thought of that, huh?
 
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