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[Kotaku] Metroid Dread Is Already Running Great On Switch Emulators
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I'm sure theres an audience of Nintendo fans who would consider getting one of those high spec handhelds and priming it with emulation so they can play their games with higher resolution/performance. The market is asking for newer hardware.
Yep. Emulation is not piracy. Period. There's nothing to discuss there. That being said...
It goes even further than having a Switch or not. Dumping your games legitimately on Switch is a pretty niche option, and it's becoming more and more exclusive every day. You need to either have 1. an unpatched Erista v1 model that can be softmodded (i.e. models produced before June 2018) or a patched Erista v2 or Mariko unit (2018-present) with a modchip soldered into the board. Of the ~89 million Switches sold, a very small percentage has access to those units, and among them a tiny fraction bothers to even hack their systems.
I used to have an Erista that I sold when I got a Mariko, which is now chipped. My brand new OLED is my legit unit, while I keep my Mariko for emulators, overclocking, modding, etc. I need to try Ryujinx and Yuzu now that I have a semi-decent GPU (3060Ti) on my i7-6700K...
This is not the case with older consoles, which have dedicated hardware that bypasses the need to even have the console in the first place (for example, external ROM and save dumpers for GBA). This article does very little to help the legitimacy of emulators in the eyes of the public. It's even detrimental, as it explicitly shouts out pirates. Kotaku is making Nintendo's case crystal clear.
Mmh guess it's time for me to play Dread on PC instead.
There's nothing ambiguous about it:
Like I get that emulation tends to be a contentious topic to discuss because there are definitely legal methods of going about doing so but:
The author of this article is pretty blatantly not talking about this in good faith lol
The author of this article is pretty blatantly not talking about this in good faith lol
You emulating this game legitimately doesn't invalidate the concerns you're downplaying about this article causing more piracy.
I don't even feel THAT strongly about this but it seems weird to reply to multiple people in the span of minutes outright dismissing their takes on what is at best a grey area… ESPECIALLY given the tone of this article specifically
Exactly. If you say "you only need a computer and the emulator", you are necessarily talking about piracy because there is no legal way to obtain the game in those conditions.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are blacklisted by Nintendo.
Honestly i really don't have an issue with the first line *cough* paragraph but the 2nd paragraph where the author is thanking the pirates is not good and not needed.. basically mixing the emulation and piracy right there...
And honestly... new game or old game doesn't fucking matter to me.. once you buy a copy of your game and have a PC.. go emulate it or w/e you want to do.. its your copy. I don't really care if the console is new or old bla bla..
It doesn't make it bad or anything to emulate shit for a new console... its the choice of a consumer to do so provided they buy the game the legit way.
God Bless Emulators.
This makes me think nintendo should release a digital store for PC and make the entire switch library cross compatible
obviously they won't, but it would be sweet if they copied the MS model of cloud saves that work across everything. I'd pay a premium on my switch online sub if it allowed me to play games in 4K 60 at home on my PC then play the same save portably on my switch
can you do cross saving with the emulators? If your switch is hacked maybe?
obviously they won't, but it would be sweet if they copied the MS model of cloud saves that work across everything. I'd pay a premium on my switch online sub if it allowed me to play games in 4K 60 at home on my PC then play the same save portably on my switch
can you do cross saving with the emulators? If your switch is hacked maybe?
I already said the article is an issue and that I should have read it properly.
Day 2 emulation is not. If this article were ethically presented I would have no issue and would be glad they let me know.
Metroid Dread Is Already Running On Switch Emulators
Only days after release, the latest entry in Nintendo's classic franchise is running in 4K using an emulatorkotaku.com
s/o to the spotlight on emulators. emulators kick ass (also nowhere in this article does it state to go the pirate the game, so please don't bring that in here lol)
Fuck Kotaku
"But all you need is a Switch emulator and a decently powerful PC" is saying that you do not need a switch or a copy of the game, which you do to emulate it legitimately.
The people you dismissed were all talking issue with the article but thank you for changing your stance
It's not but the author muddled the waters himself by saying "Thank god for Pirates" lol
Edit: double clarifying here that I am talking about the aspects of emulating something you literally already have in your hands, not historical emulation that can no longer be accessed easily like pre-previous gen and older. I just don't get it, outside of incredibly horrible performance, it seems like whinging that Nintendo chose the hardware they chose and that's a bad thing so let's emulate it. Again that's just from what most emulation Switch threads seem to reference. If they could upgrade hardware easily km sure they would, as much as we love saying Nintendo leaves money in the table for common sense tactics, they are clearly smarter by them doing the thing many of us do not do and quite frankly enjoy playing because we attempt to emulate it.
I'm not attacking emulation in any way with this question, as I use to do it for GBA and SNES until I grabbed running hardware that I could legitimately use. Why do people seek a need to emulate a console that is still available with games that are literally two days old and not going anywhere? I am all for restoring what would have been lost libraries of gaming history, that is actually incredibly important like many things of historical value. I just don't get why you would buy a Switch, then the game to only rip it and play on PC?
I pirated PS1/PS2 games back in the day as a young kid, I knew that was wrong but it was indeed the norm here in Australia. Doesn't excuse that it was a bad act against developers working hard for their creativity and supporting them. However, I never purchased a console, and it's games to then rip/pirate the game across to PC. To me that feels pointless, and really (to me) just saying "I don't think this hardware is good so I'm going to not play games on its original form." I definitely get the graphical lures for doing so, but it's just…not the Switch format when it's literally available next to you.
Anyway, maybe I'm just older now with more disposable income then I was at a younger age, so I value the work of others because I can more freely do that. Not saying emulation of older titles doesn't respect developers, I just don't think doing it to a console that has so far only removed one or two games due to weird marketing stupidity. Especially a two day old game.
I just don't get it, outside of incredibly horrible performance, it seems like whinging that Nintendo chose the hardware they chose and that's a bad thing so let's emulate it. Again that's just from what most emulation Switch threads seem to reference. If they could upgrade hardware easily km sure they would, as much as we love saying Nintendo leaves money in the table for common sense tactics, they are clearly smarter by them doing the thing many of us do not do and quite frankly enjoy playing because we attempt to emulate it.
Also Kotaku's article is clearly signalling pirates. That's against historical emulation and fucking sucks.
I'm not attacking emulation in any way with this question, as I use to do it for GBA and SNES until I grabbed running hardware that I could legitimately use. Why do people seek a need to emulate a console that is still available with games that are literally two days old and not going anywhere? I am all for restoring what would have been lost libraries of gaming history, that is actually incredibly important like many things of historical value. I just don't get why you would buy a Switch, then the game to only rip it and play on PC?
I pirated PS1/PS2 games back in the day as a young kid, I knew that was wrong but it was indeed the norm here in Australia. Doesn't excuse that it was a bad act against developers working hard for their creativity and supporting them. However, I never purchased a console, and it's games to then rip/pirate the game across to PC. To me that feels pointless, and really (to me) just saying "I don't think this hardware is good so I'm going to not play games on its original form." I definitely get the graphical lures for doing so, but it's just…not the Switch format when it's literally available next to you.
Anyway, maybe I'm just older now with more disposable income then I was at a younger age, so I value the work of others because I can more freely do that. Not saying emulation of older titles doesn't respect developers, I just don't think doing it to a console that has so far only removed one or two games due to weird marketing stupidity. Especially a two day old game.
I just don't get it, outside of incredibly horrible performance, it seems like whinging that Nintendo chose the hardware they chose and that's a bad thing so let's emulate it. Again that's just from what most emulation Switch threads seem to reference. If they could upgrade hardware easily km sure they would, as much as we love saying Nintendo leaves money in the table for common sense tactics, they are clearly smarter by them doing the thing many of us do not do and quite frankly enjoy playing because we attempt to emulate it.
Also Kotaku's article is clearly signalling pirates. That's against historical emulation and fucking sucks.
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Actually, the main point I was discussing with them were their issues with day 2 emulation, not the article.
"a few days later", Switch emulators have gotten so good usually games are playable before they actually release on Switch... *cough* Paper Mario *cough*.
Yes this can lead to piracy but for people with hackable Switches, this can also give them a chance to play games they've bought at higher resolutions and frame rates. It is a crime that Nintendo sells games like Age of Calamity at $60 in the state they're in.
Yes this can lead to piracy but for people with hackable Switches, this can also give them a chance to play games they've bought at higher resolutions and frame rates. It is a crime that Nintendo sells games like Age of Calamity at $60 in the state they're in.
Yeah then they f**ed up. Iam not sure that the author of this article did their research or just like me assumed that they just can take files straight from the cartridge and extract them without needing a switch.
Emulation is not piracy but this article is about emulation and piracy.
Nobody is saying it's true
the article is literally promoting piracy, not just emulation
As some one who owns a launch switch I'm seriously considering finally jailbreaking to rip my games to play on pc. The increase in performance alone justifies this alone. No need for a switch pro or whatever for me I'll just rip my games and play them on pc as I never really use the switch online so losing that functionality doesn't mean much to me.
This sort of crap is why people so often associate emulation with piracy, it's wild what a rag Kotaku has become.
In what universe are the majority doing emulation the legitimate way
Wow
But the framerates in the trailer is pretty solid, look at the official trailer
100%. If I were Nintendo I'd never send a review copy to Kotaku again.
Basically what Kotaku has done is said, see this studio that have put out their best scored game?
PIRATE IT NOW.
In what universe does this mean we shouldn't discuss ethical emulation?
Wow
The article showcases how far people are going to justify piracy nowadays. The mindset of...if not every content ever published on a Nintendo console, isn't immediately available for cheap or next to nothing....yeah just go wild and pirate everything.
One reason it's difficult to take most VC of NSO related discussion seriously, since people expect price and availability to be able to compare with their hard drives SD cards full of romsets.
Outside of a likely minority this is mostly great for people that complain 24/7 about the Switch as a Plattform as well as the high price point of first Party releases. So thats a big audience i guess.
I wouldn't even care about this article for most big releases but a bummer that they think Metroid is the IP where around the latest release you would promote such a way to play/obtain the game.
One reason it's difficult to take most VC of NSO related discussion seriously, since people expect price and availability to be able to compare with their hard drives SD cards full of romsets.
Outside of a likely minority this is mostly great for people that complain 24/7 about the Switch as a Plattform as well as the high price point of first Party releases. So thats a big audience i guess.
I wouldn't even care about this article for most big releases but a bummer that they think Metroid is the IP where around the latest release you would promote such a way to play/obtain the game.
Then the author should get his shit together takes like that are embarrassing as fuck in this day and age.
Cool cool. I guess posting full Kotaku articles is ok going forwards, right? Are the Editors asleep at the wheel again?
It drops regularly when the big fire demon attacks are occurring. Also I played the first 2 on Switch and B1 has tons of slowdown (with fire enemies as well, interestingly) and Bayo 2 was impossible to read and the performance ruined it for me. Was just an unreadable spam fest
PC the way to go for me I think, I will support platinum but not play on that hardware again.
I mean we literally have a rule against equating emulation with piracy here so...
These types of articles do more harm than good to emulation because they always present emulation from the point of view of piracy
"Nintendo is holding this game back... you could pirate it and get a better experience!" a few days after release is cringey at best.
Yikes. I mean, it's patently false about the Metroid franchise, on top of advocating piracy.Like I get that emulation tends to be a contentious topic to discuss because there are definitely legal methods of going about doing so but:
The author of this article is pretty blatantly not talking about this in good faith lol
Yes but also not reading the article or thread before posting is also a tad embarrassing
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good for them. the "pirates" have done a better job with game preservation than the actual companies have. why should i have to pay hundreds of dollars for some obscure jrpg when the money isn't going to the developer and/or publisher when i can just download it and no one is hurt?
this article is highlighting on the emulators anyways, which yeah - were probably developed by the same "pirates" and you know what? good for them
edit: as others have said here, emualtion and piracy are two totally different things, but it's a good thing for video games that both of them exist
Emulation isn't piracy
This article is about emulation and piracy
Emulation can be fantastic thing
The piracy scene and the emulation scene often assist each other inadvertently
There is definitely a dedicated, caring community who rip their own ROMs
By and large the means and practical knowledge and effort required to rip current Switch ROMs will invariably mean there will be more people playing having not ripped their own copy then those that have
It's an entirely grey area for sure, and I appreciate nuance. This article I found distasteful though
This article is about emulation and piracy
Emulation can be fantastic thing
The piracy scene and the emulation scene often assist each other inadvertently
There is definitely a dedicated, caring community who rip their own ROMs
By and large the means and practical knowledge and effort required to rip current Switch ROMs will invariably mean there will be more people playing having not ripped their own copy then those that have
It's an entirely grey area for sure, and I appreciate nuance. This article I found distasteful though
Low-level emulators usually work mainly on the CPU.
In short: this has to do with accuracy, but it means that almost all instructions (even those that usually can be offloaded on the GPU) all run on the CPU. So a beefy CPU with high IPC is adviced. GPU = dumb, but fast. CPU = smart, but slow.
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I've been thinking the same. Playing on the switch just isn't an enjoyable experience anymore.
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