BGS open world games are actually much cheaper than many others I think, due to being more systemic and less content heavy. The next GTA on the other hand probably has a good shot at being the most expensive game ever (at least #2 after Star Citizen), though they will still be profitable.
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Kotaku: Despite Huge Sales, Borderlands 3 Developers Are Getting Stiffed On Bonuses
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BGS open world games are actually much cheaper than many others I think, due to being more systemic and less content heavy. The next GTA on the other hand probably has a good shot at being the most expensive game ever (at least #2 after Star Citizen), though they will still be profitable.
The factors gearbox cited for lower than expected bonuses sound like things that should have been knowable. They're not saying it didn't sell as well as they thought; that would have been an unknown variable.
The DLC teams tend to be much smaller than the main team and they reuse a ton of assets. The budget of the DLC is like twice the budget of Control (budget between 22-33million USD) to give some perspective.
Isn't always that easy. We don't know how crowded the job market is usually, how the circumstances of the employees are
in terms of family and home etc etc. And we know that the industry is constantly reling on new young devs to fill
in the free positions by those bunred out.
What really helps is unionizing
what if we... went on strike... at the next all hands zoom call... aha ha, just kidding
unless?
unless?
Well, still the DLC was budgeted to be 150% of Control buget. Which is bonkers.
Yeah these are things that could have been communicated earlier.
Learn from Hollywood and always get bonuses based on gross rather net profits. Much harder to get shafted by dodgy accounting. It's the people in charge of who should have bonuses based on net profits, they make the decisions that ultimately cause the amount of profit to change, the average worker works just as hard either way so why should they get shafted by the end?
As done as Rockstar or Naughty Dog are, whenever the crunch stories resurface? Truth is that most BL3 buyers will never hear of this (cause they don't follow gaming news), and from those who do hear a lot won't care, as with many other examples.
WTH, the game is barely out, but the budget for the dlc is already 35% more expensive than the game itself? Ooof...
Holy fuck, this is..... wow. Absolutely crap move of Gearbox, and it keeps being there M.O. Yeeesh.
The budget is with the DLC. The DLC is 50% of hte base game budget.
Basically: 95M is base game and 140 is with the DLC - so DLC is 45M
Yeah, devs getting screwed by management isnt really something consumers are expected to handle, the developers have to ask themselves if its worth working for this guy.
I don't know what the cost of development in Finland is like, but Europe tends to be cheaper than the US. The Control team was probably also smaller (which makes the quality and graphics of that game even more impressive!), and they are planning to do 4 big DLC packs (and who knows if they are already working on a second Season pass).
Don't get me wrong, 45M for post-launch is certainly a huge number, but it doesn't seem completely unrealistic depending on their scope.
I wanted to buy the season pass, but I think I'll just stop playing the game at this point. Rather just go and play something else. Game feels like Borderlands 2.1 anyway.
1. Don't believe promises of bonus
2. Never rely on bonus money
Shit situation all around but still strange that people were relying on that money. The money does not exist till it clears the bank account.
2. Never rely on bonus money
Shit situation all around but still strange that people were relying on that money. The money does not exist till it clears the bank account.
If it was an agreement on paper and they can prove those requirements are met, they absolutely can. Something tells me Randy took precautions that doesnt happen though.
My thoughts exactly. I'd be surprised if they didn't have language that allowed them to back out on it.
This.
There are so many cases since the forever. How long until we're convinced that he's a piece of shit and we need to stop giving him more of our business? The writings are on the wall.
lmao
He really is a caricature of the greedy, sociopathic CEO huh
Same. Too scummy a price for co-op shenanigans. I'm actually ashamed. Pitchford can fuck off.
This story isn't the same as those stories. That's my point. The one excuse fans use in those stories is that if you're not buying you're not supporting. But in the case of Gearbox the employees already aren't getting paid what they're worth (according to current market wages), and they're not getting the bonus sizes they were told. And based purely on body of work and reputation Gearbox isn't Rockstar nor is it Naughty Dog.
Gearbox survives this one way: Pitchford leaves and Gearbox works a better deal that gives employees more control.
So Borderlands 3 was the last game I ever get from Gearbox until Randy is gone basically. What an absolute douchebag.
Piece of shit scumbag that Pitchford. So glad I didnt buy BL3 but he needs to just go away and people shoupdnt work for this asshole
And the sad thing is, he's at the very top so not sure how likely that'll happen, at least very soon. Company isn't public yet, no one can really force him out as far as I know.